CoolerMaster MasterGel Maker VS Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut

[micropage7]

That's just the tip of the iceberg

- 1 C temperature gaps between each paste ??
- So MasterGel only gives you 3 C over the ... worst paste? Average paste? Best other paste? Puzzling...
- Non overclockable CPU, and an Ivy Bridge nonetheless.
- But! Don't forget to add the XMP RAM and for sure 32 GB makes those CPU cores real hot.

many other factor that affect the temp, from the paste, the contact area, airflow, heatsink material, the surface flatness and so and so
personally i don't pay attention too much if the difference is about 1 C or 2 C degree
just pick what paste that feels right for you and for your money

 

[eidairaman1]

The fud talk of AS5 makes me laugh, never had a problem using it.

 

[R-T-B]

The fud talk of AS5 makes me laugh, never had a problem using it.

I actually have killed something with it before (a 2900XT GPU with WAY too much), but hell, I managed to kill a CPU socket with nonconductive kryonaut so that should surprise no one.

 

[eidairaman1]

I actually have killed something with it before, but hell, I managed to kill a CPU socket with nonconductive kryonaut so that should surprise no one.m.

Now that's funny

 

[R-T-B]

Now that's funny

Glad we can look back and laugh...

This was when I was young though, before I broke my arm so bad it didn't work right no more... I can only blame the false, dumb idea that "moar paste" was going to make my gpu go faster.

It made it have funny colored lines on boot, and then nothing.

A case of rtfm. Live and learn.

 

[RejZoR]

It's probably possible if paste comes between socket pins and some contacts don't have connection because of it. The exact right (wrong) ones.

 

[R-T-B]

It's probably possible if paste comes between socket pins and some contacts don't have connection because of it. The exact right (wrong) ones.

In my case with the Krynonuat it wasn't the paste that killed it honestly, it was the cleanup (LGA Socket).

 

[Solaris17]

In my case with the Krynonuat it wasn't the paste that killed it honestly, it was the cleanup (LGA Socket).

If I may for even future audeinces I would like to present unfortunate souls with TIM on there LGA sockets with a bat shit crazy solution that is

A: totally safe for the electronics
B: works absolutly perfects getting even the most stubborn grease out of areas its not supposed to be in
C: will personally vest its usuage iv done it myself.

May I present to you

Mass air flow sensor cleaner

Pop the bios battery out and hit the board with this. no resedue and no harm on the plastic.

 

[Nuckles56]

If I may for even future audeinces I would like to present unfortunate souls with TIM on there LGA sockets with a bat shit crazy solution that is

A: totally safe for the electronics
B: works absolutly perfects getting even the most stubborn grease out of areas its not supposed to be in
C: will personally vest its usuage iv done it myself.

May I present to you

Mass air flow sensor cleaner

Pop the bios battery out and hit the board with this. no resedue and no harm on the plastic.

I did see that the manufacturer does say it is conductive so that makes me a bit wary of doing so

 

[Solaris17]

I did see that the manufacturer does say it is conductive so that makes me a bit wary of doing so

well its not a fantastic product to use if your system is running I suppose............

 

[Tromick]

I have kryonaut. Comparing to even Noctua nt-h1 kryonaut is better. Like 2~3C better during load. I say go with kryonaut. You will not be disappointed.

Well i was looking for who used Noctua NT-H1... Finally... I am looking for long lasting thermal paste. In first months Noctua reacts so well to the heat. Fast cooling, on heat stable low degrees ratios...
But after 5-6 months laptop starts to heating. I mean clicking to Chrome. 55C to 68C... It doesn't work anymore. When i open my laptop i am seeing that thermal paste no where like it is flied away. It is too liquid and don't have longevity. Is it Kryonaut good at this point? Fast cooling, stable low degrees, like first day performance after 5-6 months. etc. etc.

By the way this experience from my 5739G. I am really curious about my Dell 7567 thermal paste. 7 months passed and it still works at same degrees. I wish to know which thermal paste used on it. Some computer brand's stock thermal paste amazingly good. I feel so ashamed that when i cleaned my stock 9 years old thermal paste and reapply my Noctua to it. That 9 years old thermal paste even much much better than Noctua. Think about it. 9 years old and works crazy.

 

[R-T-B]

Is it Kryonaut good at this point?

Krynonaut mentions in marketing material it's supposed to have a formula that "halts dryout at temps up to 80C"

Otherwise, for budget minded, MX-4 is actually pretty good at longevity.

 

[LPide]

anyone have a more neutral test comparison, instead of claims by the manufacturers?

 

[vMax65]

Are there any reviews that directly compare these two under really harsh conditions? They both seem excellent, but would prefer the best of the best since I'm planning on buying one syringe of Conductonaut for really top end cooling and one non-conductive top thermal paste for more risky components where liquid metal isn't an option. But can't decide whether I should go with MasterGel maker or Kryonaut. Couldn't find any direct tests either

I know its been some time since you posted this but just in case, I have both and I found the Master Maker from Cooler Master just a little better..probably psycological but it also applies much better.

 

[RejZoR]

I haven't bought it yet. In the meanwhile I took Conductonaut only. I also found a store nearby that actually has both Cryonaut and MasterGel Maker Nano so that's kinda cool. Paying 15-20€ delivery from Germany/UK is a bit stupid for thermal compounds that cost about the same... Kinda leaning towards Kryonaut because of better raw specs on paper to be honest. In price there is some difference but not much.

 

[John Naylor]

The fud talk of AS5 makes me laugh, never had a problem using it.

My grandpa smoked 3 packs a day of lucky strikes and lived till 85, .... that isn't going to make me take up smoking. Was nothing FUD about ling and throat cancer.

FUD applies to things we don't know, not to things the manufacturer warns us of on their own web site.

1. There are TIMs that are cheaper than AS5 with the exact same thermal properties.
https://archive.benchmarkreviews.co...&id=150&Itemid=99999999&limit=1&limitstart=12
2. AS5 has a curing issue, many folks don't want to wait 6-7 weeks to dial in their OCs and set baseline temps.
3. The makers of AS5 saw fit to warn their customers on their web site about the capacitance issue.

"So Doc, explain to me the differences between the to choices of medications to treat my condition"

"Well A reaches full potency immediately, with the other, it won't reach full potency for 6 weeks. A has no known side effects, with B there is a very, very small risk that you will die. Oh and medication A is 39.99 a month... medication B is $56.99

I don't think anyone suggested that there is a guaranteed "problem" using AS% or any TIM marketed for PC usage. Look at all the silly things used here ... Most didn't result in a "problem".

Toothpaste, Antiseptic Gel, Dielectric Silicone, Hair Styling Clay, Peanut Butter, Raspberry Preserves, Anti Seize Lubricant, High Temperature Grease, Lip balm Liquid Gel Deodorant, Aluminum Foil, No TIM, Easy Cheese, Mayonnaise, Edge Shave Gel, Hidden Valley Ranch, Glad Cling Wrap, 20lb Paper, Juicy Fruit, American Cheese, and Candle Wax

http://forums.overclockersclub.com/...tter-on-my-cpu-you-got-your-cpu-in-my-peanut/

1. Option "A" costs $4 and "B" costs $5.60,
2. With "A" one can set baseline temps will the PC is still on the workbench, with "B" have to wait 6 weeks.
3. Chances if being sloppy and getting some TIM on a finger and transferring to electronic contacts might be say 1 in 200 so while B's risk is small, it's still there
4. Thermal performance, usability and other concerns are equal.

While using either doesn't necessitate a problem, what reason would you give to choose B over A ?

In choosing a GFX card, there's not going to be a "problem" if you choose one option over another, but if looking for the best way to spend your money, for the sake of argument, assuming stock performance is dead even (as it is here). It's not FUD to say that Option B uses 100 watts more power, will require a larger PSU, will increase your electricity bill, will produce more noise and heat, or has only 1/3 the OC headroom as the other option. These are all items of importance to consider and in the order of importance that will be different for each user.

 

[vgm]

I haven't bought it yet. In the meanwhile I took Conductonaut only. I also found a store nearby that actually has both Cryonaut and MasterGel Maker Nano so that's kinda cool. Paying 15-INR 1 613 delivery from Germany/UK is a bit stupid for thermal compounds that cost about the same... Kinda leaning towards Kryonaut because of better raw specs on paper to be honest. In price there is some difference but not much.

Gallistan which you get from ebay looks and performs similar to Conductonaut with 1-2C difference and lot cheaper too.
Between Kryonaut and MakerGel, I'd go with Maker Gel since you might be repasting other PCs as well. If you an expert at lapping HSFs on desktop or laptops then TGK, Phobya Nanogrease,Gelid Extreme and MakerGel should perform quite similarly with 1C difference.
Once you go LM, its difficult to digest putting traditional paste which performs worse than Liquid Metal. Look which is cheaper and you won't be wrong.

 

[eidairaman1]

My grandpa smoked 3 packs a day of lucky strikes and lived till 85, .... that isn't going to make me take up smoking. Was nothing FUD about ling and throat cancer.

FUD applies to things we don't know, not to things the manufacturer warns us of on their own web site.

1. There are TIMs that are cheaper than AS5 with the exact same thermal properties.
https://archive.benchmarkreviews.co...&id=150&Itemid=99999999&limit=1&limitstart=12
2. AS5 has a curing issue, many folks don't want to wait 6-7 weeks to dial in their OCs and set baseline temps.
3. The makers of AS5 saw fit to warn their customers on their web site about the capacitance issue.

"So Doc, explain to me the differences between the to choices of medications to treat my condition"

"Well A reaches full potency immediately, with the other, it won't reach full potency for 6 weeks. A has no known side effects, with B there is a very, very small risk that you will die. Oh and medication A is 39.99 a month... medication B is $56.99

I don't think anyone suggested that there is a guaranteed "problem" using AS% or any TIM marketed for PC usage. Look at all the silly things used here ... Most didn't result in a "problem".

Toothpaste, Antiseptic Gel, Dielectric Silicone, Hair Styling Clay, Peanut Butter, Raspberry Preserves, Anti Seize Lubricant, High Temperature Grease, Lip balm Liquid Gel Deodorant, Aluminum Foil, No TIM, Easy Cheese, Mayonnaise, Edge Shave Gel, Hidden Valley Ranch, Glad Cling Wrap, 20lb Paper, Juicy Fruit, American Cheese, and Candle Wax

http://forums.overclockersclub.com/...tter-on-my-cpu-you-got-your-cpu-in-my-peanut/

1. Option "A" costs $4 and "B" costs $5.60,
2. With "A" one can set baseline temps will the PC is still on the workbench, with "B" have to wait 6 weeks.
3. Chances if being sloppy and getting some TIM on a finger and transferring to electronic contacts might be say 1 in 200 so while B's risk is small, it's still there
4. Thermal performance, usability and other concerns are equal.

While using either doesn't necessitate a problem, what reason would you give to choose B over A ?

In choosing a GFX card, there's not going to be a "problem" if you choose one option over another, but if looking for the best way to spend your money, for the sake of argument, assuming stock performance is dead even (as it is here). It's not FUD to say that Option B uses 100 watts more power, will require a larger PSU, will increase your electricity bill, will produce more noise and heat, or has only 1/3 the OC headroom as the other option. These are all items of importance to consider and in the order of importance that will be different for each user.

Nonsense...

 

[RejZoR]

In the end I've ordered CoolerMaster MasterGel Maker Nano and is already on the way because Cryonaut wasn't in stock anywhere nearby and I really don't want to pay 20€ to ship me a 10€ product from Germany or UK...

I don't know what I was expecting or did wrong with application or something, but Conductonaut isn't working well for me so I'm returning back to classic non conducting pastes. For now. Conductonaut has a basically infinite shelf life so it can wait again for another chance. I think my CPU IHS isn't very flat and given how ultra thin Conductonaut is when applied, it's actually making less/worse contact than before with regular less heat conductive thermal paste.

 

[MrGenius]

I'm glad you bumped this. Gives me a good excuse to make a comment on what I said here previously regarding Phoyba NanoGrease Extreme and diamond-filled TIM.

First, and foremost, I've concluded that Phoyba NanoGrease Extreme IS diamond-filled TIM. I'm making that conclusion based on a few pieces of evidence. 1 physical, and 2 circumstantial. The physical evidence became apparent when I removed the cooler I was using it on and found the characteristic scratching and pitting that diamond-filled pastes cause to the mating surfaces of the cooler and IHS. And in this case the damage was pretty significant. Enough that I immediately ordered a tube of Kryonaut to replace it, and refuse to use Phobya NanoGrease Extreme again(unless in some kind of emergency situation). It wasn't bad enough to warrant replacing any damaged parts. But it kinda pissed me off.

Though, it was a bit naïve of me to use it in the first place. Considering circumstantial piece of evidence number 1. The word "Nano" in the name. Hmmm...I wonder if that refers to nano-particles of diamond? Like it does with every other diamond-filled TIM. Geee...ya think? I mean...what else could it possibly be referring to? Anyway...yeah...there's no question about it in my mind...anymore. It far more than likely does refer to EXACTLY that. Unless you've got a better explanation as to how it scratched up, and eroded tiny pits in, my IHS and cooler's cold plate.

And eventually I got to thinking something that led me to circumstantial piece of evidence number 2. Which was..."I wonder if it's just a rebadge of that JunPus DX1 diamond-filled TIM that looks exactly the same, and has the exact same thermal conductivity(16 W/mK)". Pretty damn sure that's the truth too.

Bottom line: I said it before, and I'm saying it again. No more diamond-filled TIM for me. Even though that Phobya Nano(DIAMOND)Grease Extreme is probably the best performing TIM I've ever used(beat Kryonaut in my system by at least 2°C). Which is sad... . But that shit can and will damage your parts. The Antec 7 isn't so bad(only caused very light scratching). But it doesn't perform super great. The Phobya does perform super great, but the damage it causes is totally unacceptable. Only a couple months use and it caused scratches and pits deep enough to easily hang your fingernail on(I thought I was trippin', but no, not only could I see the damage, I could actually feel it too). I can't imagine what it would've done after a year or two's use. But I'm guessing it would not be good. Not good...at all...

 

[Vayra86]

I'm glad you bumped this. Gives me a good excuse to make a comment on what I said here previously regarding Phoyba NanoGrease Extreme and diamond-filled TIM.

First, and foremost, I've concluded that Phoyba NanoGrease Extreme IS diamond-filled TIM. I'm making that conclusion based on a few pieces of evidence. 1 physical, and 2 circumstantial. The physical evidence became apparent when I removed the cooler I was using it on and found the characteristic scratching and pitting that diamond-filled pastes cause to the mating surfaces of the cooler and IHS. And in this case the damage was pretty significant. Enough that I immediately ordered a tube of Kryonaut to replace it, and refuse to use Phobya NanoGrease Extreme again(unless in some kind of emergency situation). It wasn't bad enough to warrant replacing any damaged parts. But it kinda pissed me off.

Though, it was a bit naïve of me to use it in the first place. Considering circumstantial piece of evidence number 1. The word "Nano" in the name. Hmmm...I wonder if that refers to nano-particles of diamond? Like it does with every other diamond-filled TIM. Geee...ya think? I mean...what else could it possibly be referring to? Anyway...yeah...there's no question about it in my mind...anymore. It far more than likely does refer to EXACTLY that. Unless you've got a better explanation as to how it scratched up, and eroded tiny pits in, my IHS and cooler's cold plate.

And eventually I got to thinking something that led me to circumstantial piece of evidence number 2. Which was..."I wonder if it's just a rebadge of that JunPus DX1 diamond-filled TIM that looks exactly the same, and has the exact same thermal conductivity(16 W/mK)". Pretty damn sure that's the truth too.

Bottom line: I said it before, and I'm saying it again. No more diamond-filled TIM for me. Even though that Phobya Nano(DIAMOND)Grease Extreme is probably the best performing TIM I've ever used(beat Kryonaut in my system by at least 2°C). Which is sad... . But that shit can and will damage your parts. The Antec 7 isn't so bad(only caused very light scratching). But it doesn't perform super great. The Phobya does perform super great, but the damage it causes is totally unacceptable. Only a couple months use and it caused scratches and pits deep enough to easily hang your fingernail on(I thought I was trippin', but no, not only could I see the damage, I could actually feel it too). I can't imagine what it would've done after a year or two's use. But I'm guessing it would not be good. Not good...at all...

Sounds like you've developed a Phobya for Phobya

 

[delshay]

It's probably possible if paste comes between socket pins and some contacts don't have connection because of it. The exact right (wrong) ones.

That's why when cleaning my motherboard socket, I do this with the socket facing the floor. Anything that is disturbed falls towards the wet brush. The same applies to when I am using compressed air, motherboard in upside down position, so dust is more likely to fall towards the floor & not under BGA chips or under the CPU socket. This is just my method when cleaning my motherboards.

 

[RejZoR]

As far as I know MasterGel Maker Nano doesn't have the abrasive properties like other (earlier) diamond based pastes.

 

[phanbuey]

Holy crap, got the Conductonaut already today and used it on both, CPU and GPU. This is some sick stuff. Easy to apply as well. Good thing I haven't bought either of mentioned ones from above. I'm just gonna use liquid metal from now on, it's that much better. And buy the cheapest possible thermal grease just to protect capacitors around GPU's and stuff. I just smeared them in MX4 paste just in case if Conductonaut by any chance leaks from the GPU and falls onto those. I can't believe I was hesitating to use liquid metal for so long for unknown reasons...

I use conductonaut quite a bit and the main issue with it on heatsinks is that if the sink moves around AT ALL it will eventually dry and crack the bond between the sink and chip and work like crap. Also if you ever remove the sink and dont sand it down all the way, it wont bond properly to itself and ends up giving some awful temps.

Its best use is when de-lidding where you seal the IHS back up and then it just stays like that forever. I wouldn't put it on a removable heat sink again though. Not worth

 

[freeagent]

I ordered some Thermalright TF8, should be here soon. I was going to order TFX, but it’s a bit spendy, and TF8 should be better than the CF3 that I’m using now.

I liked AS5, used it for close to a decade I guess. Never killed anything with it, I can do that on my own just fine.