AdoredTV at it again - Over an hour long video about Nvidia's business practices.

[Vayra86]

What is that even supposed to mean ? Are you implying I shouldn't be here commenting because I have a high post/day or that there is something wrong with that ? Some of the stuff you say is truly mind-boggling and nonsensical.



I don't know if it was all Nvidia's doing but you should watch some of Jensen's talks , he likes to mention how they managed to become the last independent fabless GPU manufacturer a lot.

That's the thing I don't get emotional for even 1% when a company 'is admittedly evil'. All companies are evil its how you survive in any business, its how the world/evolution/everything simply works. Call it a reality check if you will... Survival of the fittest. Is it desirable to do things like that? NO. But it IS reality and I've learned that believing in utopia is not going to get you anywhere and ideals in business exist only to get abused. I draw the line wherever it hurts my own interests directly.

Look at Google's old punchline, it summarizes this perfectly.

https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393

Microsoft probably would have swooped in to buy it to make it part of DirectX. Instead, we had to wait over a decade for Intel to buy out Havok, do absolutely nothing with it, then sell Havok to Microsoft while NVIDIA gave up trying to monetize PhysX because hardware-specific middleware doesn't work (3dfx Glide anyone?).


And so you get it: this was the beginning of NVIDIA writing software to make people buy their hardware.


No, they did it because of Market Development Funds (should sound familiar). Developers who agree to use Gameworks can get free hardware and programming support from NVIDIA. Why? Because it sells hardware for NVIDIA down the road.


Except the dozens of OpenCL alternatives. Additionally, a lot of these GameWorks features wouldn't be used at all if they weren't getting paid (via support) to do it. HairWorks is #1 on that list. How many games actually use it? 10? That feels generous.

PhysX is specifically a problem because major engines like Unreal Engine have embedded the middleware in their core. Developers making a game based on an engine will overwhelmingly use what's there over trying to jury-rig an alternative on. Very, very few of these games actually require/use GPU acceleration so PhsyX in practice ends up being no better than Havok (which is still used in a lot of games).

I missed this little gem of a post but this right here is a perfect, realistic view on what's what.

 

[Vya Domus]

So one can't be loyal to nvidia, that's fanboysm. One can only be loyal to AMD, you can't go wrong with that.

Inferring things which I never once even hinted at ? No thanks , I'm not lettings myself being dragged in this nonsense.

The only reason why AMD might get my pass and I'm once again interested to see what they deliver is that lying Raja is out of there.

Get your pass ? Didn't you say AMD's products are clearly inferior why would you give them a "pass" , a pass from what , why do you care about that ? It's this contradictory stuff that baffles me.

All companies are evil its how you survive in any business, its how the world/evolution/everything simply works. Call it a reality check if you will... Survival of the fittest.

It's not that I do not know that or that I wish for an Utopian scenario. I do not care , I don't run these business I don't care how successful or how much money they make. I only care what sort of technologies and products are being made available and who is trying to sacrifice some of that for profits. There is a company that keeps putting out new stuff but at the same time causing regressions and stagnation in other areas more than anyone else (well maybe not everyone , hint : blue) , it just so happens that they are called Nvidia , could have been AMD or even ATI back in the day.

 

[cucker tarlson]

A pass from all the dick moves they pulled off with Vega. You're completely detatched from this situation cause you were never torn between choosing 1080Ti or waiting for Vega, that's why you don't seem to fully comprehend what AMD did to consumers this round. Yet you somehow think you along with adoredtv have the leverage to stop me from calling their actions for what they are - anti-consumer.

 

[Vya Domus]

Yet you somehow think you along with adoredtv have the leverage to stop me from calling their actions for what they are - anti-consumer.

Leverage ? What are you talking about ?

Ain't nobody stopping you from claiming anything. Doesn't mean you are right though , which you aren't. But that's another story which I would like not to fill this thread with , also knowing it wouldn't change anything.

 

[cucker tarlson]

30. That's how many triple A games I played since I bought my gtx 1080. You know where adoredtv can stick his shenanigans. Rooting for the underdog is not for me, and a smart person like you should comprehend it fully.

 

[Vya Domus]

You know where adoredtv can stick his shenanigans.

You keep mentioning AdoredTV in the same context as me as if we are part of some sort of organization trying to leverage ... something. Trying to paint me as a fanboy every step along the way and failing horribly , very ineffective and I suggest you stop doing that as it doesn't get you anywhere. Let's leave it at that.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

30. That's how many triple A games I played since I bought my gtx 1080. You know where adoredtv can stick his shenanigans. Rooting for the underdog is not for me, and a smart person like you should comprehend it fully.

So why Are you in this debate??

What point do you still have to make,??

 

[Mr.Mopar392]

I found that an interesting bit in the video and one I can definitely recognize when I read online comments (not on TPU btw but elsewhere). I've always found it rather strange how people jump on each (top end) release from the moment its announced even before knowing anything about the product.



Sponsor him? Its painful to listen to the guy, let alone for a full hour. I endured, but I'll admit I skipped some of it. Never again tho.

75% of the video, especially the stuff around the time of 3dfx is... highly questionable to say the least. Many GPU makers of old have died and in the vid it sounds like all of this was Nvidia's doing, while in reality 3dfx itself was the cause for its own demise. This market doesn't deal well with fragmentation, especially not on such a low-level tech - recap to the present with Mantle/Vulkan/DX12. Its very hard for something like this to take off unless it has broad support. Nvidia realized very early in the game that consolidation was necessary because the product is characterized by high development and R&D expenses with a very high risk, because if a product fails, you can almost kiss your entire business goodbye. Thát is why many old GPU companies died; they betted on the wrong horse, got burned, and could not recover. AGEIA is similar in that regard, but in the video, the twist is not Ageia made the wrong choices and became prey for takeover; its much more juicy to state it was all Nvidia being evil.



Imagine... I even edit my posts most of the time to keep the count down.

it make perfect sense why rate my comment -1 lol looking at your system specs and your comments you might as well type you sentences in green. come out the closet already. oh by the i'm planning on getting the next nvidia card! @Vayra86

 

[cucker tarlson]

So why Are you in this debate??

What point do you still have to make,??

Nice. Hurts to see me write what I and other guys honestly feel about AMD much ? No one has to root for the underdog, especially one that wanted to have it all to themselves and failed miserably, pulling out every dick move they could to sway people. I got burnt by believing Raja's lies, along with many people I know. It's my fault cause I should've known better, but this still doesn't justify rtg's false marketing.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Nice. Hurts to see me write what I and other guys honestly feel about AMD much ? No one has to root for the underdog, especially one that wanted to have it all to themselves and failed miserably, pulling out every dick move they could to sway people. I got burnt by believing Raja's lies, along with many people I know. It's my fault cause I should've known better, but this still doesn't justify rtg's false marketing.

So you now have some personal vendetta to repay?? , Oh.

Well given the topic I'll just ignore you from now on.

It's not hurting just boring.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I got it now. I was silly, I admit. I never really realized adoredtv and you guys are running a scheme to make people buy Vega's to get nvidia some competition and be able to buy gtx cards at lower price yourselves. I must admit you're frickin brilliant. Thanks to one person for removing the cataracts I had on my eyes, you know who you are.

 

[xkm1948]

US Business ptactices best analogy is two wild animals fighting over a carcas ... it's no where close to warm and fuzzy.... it's kill or be killed. So put ya big boy pants on and make the grown up choice of picking the product that has the best specs. Why punish yourself or your customers because you think one side isn't playing fair ... fair is not part of the American capitalist model as evidences by AMDs mimicking Intel / nVidia product line naming, claiming Freesync = G-Sync (even tho it has no hardware module for MBR tech) and whining "anti-competitive" when competition calls them on it and tries to prpotect their branding. What do you cal a company board that spends billions on R & D for new groundbreaking technology and then licenses it to the competition ? ... Answer: "Replaced"

Gonna be hard man. Reality is not suited for everyone and it probably feels safer to stay in fantansy land where everything is fair and everyone is holding hands and singing
Kumbaya


Also @Vya Domus where is your Vega64 man? Ain't you supporting the underdog? Why are you sporting the evil green 1060? Burn that shit man buy yourself a proper GPU, a 580 or a Vega64! Remember, don't sell your 1060, burn it. Evil dies with fire!

 

[cucker tarlson]

Holy crap he has a 1060 ? I never knew that.He's seriously confused. I myself would do anything for the cause.

Is someone suggesting that people who buy AMD just to boycott nvidia are NOT on their own vendettas ?

Nvidia better release amd's async at once or face being court martialled.

 

[xkm1948]

Holy crap he has a 1060 ? I never knew that.He's seriously confused. I myself would do anything for the cause.

hypocrisy at its best. I always insisted @RejZoR to buy a Vega64 since he always fiercely defend RTG. Too bad he went with a 1080Ti


be like @theoneandonlymrk if you REALLY wanna support the underdog and stomp on the evil by choosing with your wallet. If you running around defend RTG while sporting the "EVIL NVIDIA" GPU you are your own enemy. Smash or burn the evil NVIDIA GPU lads! Show us how serious you are instead of being just a keyboard warrior.

 

[cadaveca]

This is not a justification. At one point it was part of "Success" and "the real world" that slavery was an institution, upon which large businesses success depended.

The same can be said to a greater or lesser degree of serfdom, divine right, etc. The simple fact is that in the intervening centuries between the founding of those ideas, their abuse, and today, we elected that they were not morally justifiable. Monopolistic practices, and the use of a dominant market position to crush the competition, are no different.

As inescapable as the reality is, the fact remains that it is tautological and invalid to imply that could ever be a good reason for it to remain reality.

No. You know, my comment is more about the competitive nature of how business is run in general, and how when you reach the height of competitiveness, you MUST expect things to take this shape, NO MATTER WHAT COMPANY. We have executives from all those companies going from one to the next on a regular basis, which is who should be taking the blame for things like this, not the company itself. It is the executives that approve and OK such tactics, and these people work for their competition often.


This isn't a problem with NVidia; it's a problem with every company out there, and until you realize that, there's no point, from where I sit, in complaining about it. It is better to invest that energy into actually doing something abut it, rather than hoping you rile up others to do it for you.

Me I'm doing something about it. Notice I don't cover many brands in my reviews... and I constantly tell people, if we didn't cover it, you shouldn't buy it.

There's a difference from actively working towards a better future, and simply complaining about it. You'll note I'm not denying there is a problem here, I am merely stating that this problem is far bigger than any, including yourself, seem willing to admit. With that in mind, you can't fix things by just approaching a little part of it.. you have to approach the entire problem and not its fingertips.

 

[cucker tarlson]

That I can understand, theoneandonlymrk has my respect now. I wish I knew his name so I could address him by his first name, like they do with adoredtv, insisting to call him "Jim" as if they knew him. It's so much more convincing to strangers, it's like a big red family.

 

[Recus]

They had me pretty much back on their team. Right up until GPP. As soon as I saw that I said "you know what? FUCK YOU!!! You just lost a potential customer. Probably for life!". Stupid assholes. Yes...I will by an "inferior" product. Even if it costs more. And I'll be perfectly happy with it. So long as it doesn't have your filthy ass name on it!

Can't wait to pick up a Vega 64 now that it can be had at MSRP. GTX 1080 is better for same price? Good for you. Don't care. Not in the least. Truth is I don't really need something as good as either one. Had my eye on a GTX 1070. Now I'm just gonna throw as much money as I can AMD's way just to prove a point. Take that bitches!

So you destroy "fair customer" term and going straight into "anti-consumer". AdorkedTV, yes you read it right, mentioned: "Nvidia customers buying Nvidia no matter what though it's slower, more expensive...". And you just looking for excuse to buy AMD.

Why Activision doesn't change CoD? Because gamers buying it no matter what. So AMD could releasing slower cards not because they lack of R&D but because you and AdorkedTV shills will buy it anyway.

Why people complaining about just 35% performance increase of new GPUs? Because there is no point to push more. Read r/AMD "I wish AMD give me GTX 1080 performance" and something like that. What if AMD won't deliver GPU which can reach Nvidia's? Boycott Nvidia because they are too fast? So not buying GTX 1080 because Nvidia is evil or not buying new card at all. AMD fanboys just buy slower card and claim they are fighting against corporations greed. That's pure Apple loyalty though iPhone CPU/GPU are fast.

Forgot to add Techpowerup is using Nvidia Geforce Experience shady practices.

Techpowerup is pro-Nvidia website. All AMD fans must departure ASAP!!!!!!

 

[xkm1948]

Me I'm doing something about it. Notice I don't cover many brands in my reviews... and I constantly tell people, if we didn't cover it, you shouldn't buy it.

There's a difference from actively working towards a better future, and simply complaining about it.

Which brands of motherboard or RAM have you not covered? Just to make sure to note those down on my naughty list.

AMD fanboys just buy slower card and claim they are fighting against corporations greed. That's pure Apple loyalty though iPhone CPU/GPU are fast.

There is a reason for such a huge flock of iSheep

 

[cucker tarlson]

Sorry @dorsetknob, I just finally feel free to comment on adored's video since every comment I write under his videos on youtube somehow disappears or I get slammed. I remember him calling 5 gen Intel CPUs a failure in one of his videos, and absolutely shitting on me when I pointed out that broadwell-c and broadwell-e were actually great at gaming at very low power, even slightly better than their kabylake and skylake-x counterparts. I think the Jim they know is a different person from the adoretv I met.

 

[Vya Domus]

This is some proper textbook thread crapping , some of you are completely out of touch with anything that resembles a proper discussion. Expected nothing less.

This new Wccftech 2.0 looks sick.

 

[Vayra86]

No. You know, my comment is more about the competitive nature of how business is run in general, and how when you reach the height of competitiveness, you MUST expect things to take this shape, NO MATTER WHAT COMPANY. We have executives from all those companies going from one to the next on a regular basis, which is who should be taking the blame for things like this, not the company itself. It is the executives that approve and OK such tactics, and these people work for their competition often.


This isn't a problem with NVidia; it's a problem with every company out there, and until you realize that, there's no point, from where I sit, in complaining about it. It is better to invest that energy into actually doing something abut it, rather than hoping you rile up others to do it for you.

Me I'm doing something about it. Notice I don't cover many brands in my reviews... and I constantly tell people, if we didn't cover it, you shouldn't buy it.

There's a difference from actively working towards a better future, and simply complaining about it. You'll note I'm not denying there is a problem here, I am merely stating that this problem is far bigger than any, including yourself, seem willing to admit. With that in mind, you can't fix things by just approaching a little part of it.. you have to approach the entire problem and not its fingertips.

So you destroy "fair customer" term and going straight into "anti-consumer". AdorkedTV, yes you read it right, mentioned: "Nvidia customers buying Nvidia no matter what though it's slower, more expensive...". And you just looking for excuse to buy AMD.

Why Activision doesn't change CoD? Because gamers buying it no matter what. So AMD could releasing slower cards not because they lack of R&D but because you and AdorkedTV shills will buy it anyway.

Why people complaining about just 35% performance increase of new GPUs? Because there is no point to push more. Read r/AMD "I wish AMD give me GTX 1080 performance" and something like that. What if AMD won't deliver GPU which can reach Nvidia's? Boycott Nvidia because they are too fast? So not buying GTX 1080 because Nvidia is evil or not buying new card at all. AMD fanboys just buy slower card and claim they are fighting against corporations greed. That's pure Apple loyalty though iPhone CPU/GPU are fast.

Forgot to add Techpowerup is using Nvidia Geforce Experience shady practices.

Techpowerup is pro-Nvidia website. All AMD fans must departure ASAP!!!!!!

Lol, get out from under the rock.. Read up a little, it concerns you too (I'm not even joking, your comment says you have no handle on the reason behind TPU disclosing that info):

https://www.eugdpr.org/

Oh and another thing, TPU is about tech. If you think its about Nvidia, boy that is some real tunnelvision on your part. There isn't even an Nvidia fan topic here, and I even think the AMD subsection in graphics is more vibrant than the Nvidia section is...

it make perfect sense why rate my comment -1 lol looking at your system specs and your comments you might as well type you sentences in green. come out the closet already. oh by the i'm planning on getting the next nvidia card! @Vayra86

Two posts out of two on this forum from you now contain zero content and only serve to flamebait and troll. Another one means you're going on ignore. If you have nothing to add except personal attacks, go elsewhere, thanks. The -1 you got from me is precisely because of these reasons.

This is an adoredtv thread, stop acting like I'm the odd one here.

30. That's how many triple A games I played since I bought my gtx 1080. You know where adoredtv can stick his shenanigans. Rooting for the underdog is not for me, and a smart person like you should comprehend it fully.

With respect, this is not about you or your buying preference nor is it about anyone elses... That is the eternal trap of these topics. We (not just you) should stop applying everything said to ourselves as if its an attack on our purchase decisions. Nor is it necessary to yell how you're not or really are going to buy brand A or B. Its really not relevant... We can look at market share for our answers on that - and market shares don't lie.

My personal stance on all of this: I observe, analyze the information, and draw conclusions on that analysis. Does that affect my next purchase? Not really... When I want to buy something I gaze at benchmarks.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Most people buy graphics cards at $300 or less. That's RX 580/GTX 1060 territory (RX 580 comes out on top). Who makes the better $1000 card doesn't matter to the vast majority of gamers out there.

If high-end gaming is your goal, it is easy to make the argument that Vega 64 + FreeSync will get you a better gaming experience than keeping your old monitor (because $200 G-Sync tax) and buying a GTX 1080 Ti.

AMD may not having bragging rights but they really don't need to either. They're selling lots of cards to gamers and said gamers are pleased with their purchase. That's really all AMD needs to accomplish.



I haven't watched the video yet but it's on my todo list.

 

[Recus]

This is some proper textbook thread crapping , completely out of touch with anything that resembles a proper discussion. Expected nothing less from you all (well not all ).

This new Wccftech 2.0 looks sick.

Not even close.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I got it now. I was silly, I admit. I never really realized adoredtv and you guys are running a scheme to make people buy Vega's to get nvidia some competition and be able to buy gtx cards at lower price yourselves. I must admit you're frickin brilliant. Thanks to one person for removing the cataracts I had on my eyes, you know who you are.

Right so if i ignore you your just going to make bullshit up about me.

Your constant derailer ,shit posting is starting to wear thin.


And is totally irrelevant balls

 

[xkm1948]

Most people buy graphics cards at $300 or less. That's RX 580/GTX 1060 territory (RX 580 comes out on top).

AMD may not having bragging rights but they really don't need to either. They're selling lots of cards to MINERS and said MINERS are pleased with their purchase. That's really all AMD needs to accomplish.

There. Fixed for you.

Crypto miners LOVE RTG GPUs.