TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Robert B]

Gigabyte GA-8TM REV 1.0 !!!

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-8TM-rev-1x#ov

 

[Ruru]

Gigabyte GA-8TM REV 1.0 !!!

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-8TM-rev-1x#ov

Wow, S423 and RDRAM.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Gigabyte GA-8TM REV 1.0 !!!

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-8TM-rev-1x#ov

Nice. A not run of the mill 423 board.
I have Abit TH7 Raid and Asus P4T.

 

[Trekkie4]

All case fans I use have magnetic bearings (five "nanoflux" type + one "twister" type).
Q: Does this apply to them as well ?

Just so you know :
1) All fans I use are PWM (including both Deltas). Most of the time, all fans work between 25-60% speed range (controlled by MB temp. sensors).
2) Red fan is Phobya Nano-G 12 Silent PWM Red LED.
It's six years old now (bought it new in May 2012), and it works in push-pull since 2015 (but always with at least one Delta 120x38mm fan on CPU).

I wasn't referring to Push-Pull fans, on the CPU heatsink, I meant the glowing, red LED fan on the back, mounted on the case. Push pull is most likely going to be fine, because they are lined up together & not clashing directly into each other.

As for the bearings, I guess so... Remember, I said in my original post that it wasn't the bearing which failed (in my case), but the motor itself. It just wasn't able to keep up with wind forces, continuous pressure to the point where (and when) it completely failed. Of course, I didn't realize that, I only found out that something went wrong when I removed the side cover, to upgrade the video card from 8800GT to GTX760, some time last year. I remember powering up the system afterwards, to see if it'll work, boot OK & the fan rotor, propeller itself just shifted & began spinning clockwise, in the opposite direction. True, it was running extremely low, to the point where it would stall & then start spinning in other (and normal) direction, but I realized that the motor is shot & immediately unplugged it from the motherboard.

And yes, mine was also PWM, 120mm Scythe something, don't remember. With small hub in the middle & long, narrow & sharp-looking fan blades.

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@Robert B @Mr.Scott
That brings back happy memories... Used to have a Pentium 4, think it was 1.4GHz model on Asus P4-T mobo with 128MB of RIMM, Rambus memory. Happy days ... until it was the time to upgrade the RAM & all the hell broke loose when I found out that the mobo is not compatible with DDR

I still remember the full system specs... Apart from the mentioned mobo & CPU, it also had a Matrox Millennium G450DualHead AGP card, Hauppauge TV tuner card, SB 128 PCI sound card, 40GB Maxtor HDD (which broke down soon after), NEC DVD-ROM drive (first one I had, still do) Teac CD-RW, Teac 3.5" floppy & fax modem. Of all these components, I still have Matrox G450, SB 128, Hauppauge TV (and the original remote) & NEC DVD, but I sold (and got rid) of everything else.

 

[Mr.Scott]

And yes, mine was also PWM, 120mm Scythe something, don't remember. With small hub in the middle & long, narrow & sharp-looking fan blades.

Slip Stream
Love those fans.

 

[agent_x007]

@Trekkie4 Exactly, wind pressures.
I mentioned I have PWM Delta because 25-60% won't cause much wind. Even if it does, it's further decreased on 120mm since I have two 140mm fans on top (pushing air out).
I don't get however, why a fan motor can fail in way you describe on fan with magnetic bearing.
Fan motor can't be affected by that, because fan blades aren't directly connected to it.
They "float" on magnets and motor simply spins them around via magnetic force.

 

[Trekkie4]

Just to share someone's post, from another forum... Check this guy out!

As I already said on another forum, the idea itself was totally awesome. HOWEVER, the realization, assembly itself is totally wrong IMO. I don't even know where to begin ... if he wanted to make a "real" Win98 system, then he SHOULD have used the Pentium II, Slot 1 system instead of S370 Pentium III, especially not Tualatin! Then there's motherboard, Intel Desktop Board for gaming?!? I can understand why he insisted on using modern PSU, and I respect his decision to do so, but the hard drive?! Back in a day you were lucky to have a 10GB drive, most ppl had even less

Then there's a question of the Voodoo card... Why using Voodoo5? This kind of layout would be more appropriate for Windows Millennium, and/or Win2k, and NOT for W98! Besides, he clearly said in his video that he's hoping to cover several generations with this machine, ranging all the way from DOS to Unreal 2, from around 2002, 2003. Sounds familiar? It should, because my RetroMaster project, rig from the profile page did (and still does) the same thing, but instead of using one card, I went with 3 of them - it's the only logical answer to this kind of problem. Running GeForce4 Ti4200 as primary AGP card for DOS & "modern" titles from early 2000s, along with two Voodoo2 in SLI for everything else. Besides, older games (Quake, Carmageddon, NFS II SE & similar) will only use the first, upper card & ignore the other one, where on the other hand, 2nd card will be used for SLI, 1024x768 resolution (in Quake II, Quake III, Unreal, Half-Life & other titles)

So there... I know I probably made it seem too complicated, but if you're going to make something, then at least do it properly

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@agent_x007 My guess is that it has to do with power draw. Keeping the fan spinning in right direction (and the specified speed) took much more juice than it should have, considering the air resistance from the CPU fan(s) So, I'm guessing something blew up on the PCB board, inside the hub. Because too much power draw equals heat - and for electronics, heat equals death

 

[droopyRO]

Wow, S423 and RDRAM.

RDRAM that is not something i heard in many years, plus it has dip switches

 

[Robert B]

BACK FROM THE PIT!!! missing retaining clips though...

L.E. I'll have to adapt a newer cooler for this enedavour as finding the retaining clips is waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy harder than I thought....I might try something and make my own retaining clips. I think is going to be a PITA...

 

[DR4G00N]

BACK FROM THE PIT!!! missing retaining clips though...

L.E. I'll have to adapt a newer cooler for this enedavour as finding the retaining clips is waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy harder than I thought....I might try something and make my own retaining clips. I think is going to be a PITA...

Socket 603/604 also typically use the same clips if that helps any. Same motherboard mounting holes too.

 

[Robert B]

Gramatik - Just Jammin'


Flea market day today!

I had a lot to choose from - boxes full of loot so I had to be SELECTIVE really really SELECTIVE:

1. 2xPII 350 SL2U4 just in case my plan with the Celeron PPGA/Slotket goes up in smoke on P6DLS
2. Creative Labs 3D Blaster Annihilator 2 - Geforce 2 GTS - 32 MB - GB0010
3. Adaptec Raid 1200A - just in case I need it
4. Creative CT 6670 - V2 12MB - cheap - a few bent pins that I managed to untangle - not perfect but I hope it is ok. All the pins are solid. I was soooo afraid I might break one of them...
5. PDC38130BC - copper base - cheap - I just couldn' pass on it so I bought it!

All ~ 18USD / 15EUR - cheap cheap cheap....

The stuff I passed on was a box full of stuff....X800 AGP, Leadtek A360 AGP 5700, Leadtek GF4 4200 Ti, 6800GT PCI-E - all with missing components, ATI 8500LE, Inno 3D GF3 Ti 200, lots of other cards, about 40 of them....a year ago I would've bought them all.....remember I had to SELECTIVE?

It hurt a little of all the SELECTIVENESS I HAD TO APPLY but I got over it Next week will be ANOTHER FLEA MARKET DAY !!! ....maybe said the ADDICT!!!

 

[GreiverBlade]

willing to tinker hard ... well i've really taken the right thing to do so ... even tho a Mac is known for being a ultra proprietary closed thing ...

since i received my PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 2002, i've spent some time on
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/start

first thing first, that caught my attention ...

i have that exact card ... tho it is marked as a XT ... yet i know i can make it work... with some tinkering cutting 3 and 11 pin trace or tapping them or desoldering the resistor assigned to them (thanks Apple for botching AGP 8X ... amateur... ) and BIOS flash.


then i have to reckon, that case is gorgeous and the opening system was really neat at the time...

mmhhh a Barracuda ATA IV 40gb (the second drive, 80gb, is under that one, didn't check for now )


glamour shot, 768mb PC 133 RAM (3x 256, 512 from base + a ADATA 256mb stick from the previous user upgrade) V.90 modem and Airport PCMCIA slot

the Radeon 7500 and her "ADC" connector which oddly enough look like a DVI with rounded sides (probably a DVI but as apple like to call things as they want ... i.e.: Retina it's a ADC with a proprietary shape ) strange tho the one with the PowerPC (7450/7455) 800mhz CPU is said to have a Radeon 7000, i guess they meant a 7000 series



mhhh to-do... flashing that 9800XT, trying to find a PCMCIA Airport card and seeking a dual 1ghz CPU board

something like that ...

 

[Fouquin]

An old friend and coworker of mine from the recycling center retired today. I showed up for his little going-away party and while we were all BSing in the back room he pulled me aside and handed me a box.



I still had to pay for them of course, but not even remotely close to what they are worth. I'm pretty pleased right now.

 

[Ruru]

An old friend and coworker of mine from the recycling center retired today. I showed up for his little going-away party and while we were all BSing in the back room he pulled me aside and handed me a box.

View attachment 103644

I still had to pay for them of course, but not even remotely close to what they are worth. I'm pretty pleased right now.

I was like WTF, but then I realized that it's a mirrored pic.

 

[Fouquin]

I was like WTF, but then I realized that it's a mirrored pic.

It was a hasty image and the camera wasn't playing nice, so I had to do the thumb-bashing routine on the screen with the included editor to get it to look alright. I'll have a much better picture soon with all the cards lined up with their brothers.

 

[Trekkie4]

An old friend and coworker of mine from the recycling center retired today. I showed up for his little going-away party and while we were all BSing in the back room he pulled me aside and handed me a box.

View attachment 103644

I still had to pay for them of course, but not even remotely close to what they are worth. I'm pretty pleased right now.

Wow, seriously?! It breaks my heart to think someone would throw away (working?) 3dfx hardware in this day & age...

 

[erek]

Does anyone here know of or own a Hercules 3D Prophet 4800 / Kyro II SE card?

 

[dorsetknob]

Only herc card i own is a 7000 AIW

 

[Mr.Scott]

Does anyone here know of or own a Hercules 3D Prophet 4800 / Kyro II SE card?

Non existent.
Only 1 known card ever produced

 

[erek]

Non existent.
Only 1 known card ever produced

iXBT Labs and Hardware Upgrade.IT had a review, is it the same exact card or possibility for at least two in existence?


https://www.hwupgrade.it/news/skvideo/hercules-3d-prophet-4800-reviewed_6834.html

http://ixbtlabs.com/news.html?01/37/78

 

[Trekkie4]

I got 1st gen Kyro, aka "Evil Kyro", but that's not what you asked for... From what I understand, pretty rare card (only found one, in all these years), but the performance output is just plain terrible. Easily the worst card in my entire retro gaming fleet

 

[erek]

I received my 2nd XGI Volari Duo V8 Ultra (which was already unsealed, i will not unseal the other one)

Also, my 2nd nVidia GeForce FX 5800 Ultra / ES with the Green Shroud has been successfully repaired:

http://imgur.com/a/drk4XB2

 

[Mr.Scott]

iXBT Labs and Hardware Upgrade.IT had a review, is it the same exact card or possibility for at least two in existence?


https://www.hwupgrade.it/news/skvideo/hercules-3d-prophet-4800-reviewed_6834.html

http://ixbtlabs.com/news.html?01/37/78

Take those links with a grain of salt. There was no independent testing shown in either of those links. Just the same common pics and bench results.
One would not have to have the card in their possession to make those posts.

I can only tell you what is research available. All research points toward only 1 card in existence, and I cannot find who actually has it. Last known was someplace in Germany.

 

[erek]

Take those links with a grain of salt. There was no independent testing shown in either of those links. Just the same common pics and bench results.
One would not have to have the card in their possession to make those posts.

I can only tell you what is research available. All research points toward only 1 card in existence, and I cannot find who actually has it. Last known was someplace in Germany.

what about this one?

https://web.archive.org/web/2002083...ersonline.com/index.php?page=articles&num=147

 

[Mr.Scott]

what about this one?

https://web.archive.org/web/2002083...ersonline.com/index.php?page=articles&num=147

There are no pages archived except for the first one, so I can't tell you.
For all anybody knows, it was just one sample that was passed around. *shrug* Don't know.