Upgrade FX8320 tips?

JRMBelgium · Jul 9, 2018

Vario said:
Seems like you guys are steering him to an actually more expensive and slower choice all for the dubious benefit of 6 more threads and some misplaced brand loyalty. Remember, his intent is purely to play games on it. If it were me I'd just do an i5-8400 and a B360. Next time you upgrade it will be DDR5 and new motherboards anyway.

Keep in mind that all of us know that:
- He kept his previous CPU for 5 years ( wich CPU will last longer in games in time you think )?
- He will be able to find Ryzen 2/3 CPU's in 5 years that he can use to upgrade again without buying a new motherboard and upgrading to DDR5.
- The Ryzen 2600x is better at Multi-tasking

I do beleave that he shouldn't save money on the RAM. Ryzen needs 3000Mhz at least for good performance. And if he buys good RAM, he'll enjoy it for many years to come.

Vya Domus · Jul 9, 2018

Vario said:
Why do you say this? To imply i5 6 core is not modern?

The only 8 thread CPUs currently on the market are quad cores , I simply say that's the minimum I would consider viable for a new PC nowadays. 6 cores are of course over than.

Intel platforms signify dead ends currently , you'll never upgrade to another 6 core CPU just because it has Hyper-Threading. On the other hand on AM4 you'll likely see more significant upgrade paths as times goes on.

robot zombie · Jul 10, 2018

Jelle Mees said:
So weird. Amd wouldn't even come up two years ago in a thread like this
Loving the change

It's funny, back when I was last building machines, AMD was really killing the game. Back in the Phenom days. I get out of computer building and Bulldozer comes around not long after...

A few years later I come back and Ryzen APU's roll out a few days into working up my first new build. It's like nothing changed for me, hehe. I was still rocking a Phenom II as of last year. I have literally been living in a bubble of good AMD tech for 10 years

AlwaysHope · Jul 10, 2018

I'm starting to get into similar position as OP, but because I only like Open world non-linear gameplay. HW requirements for something like TES VI when it's launched will be my guiding light.
IF the rumors about future PS5 platform are true, then Ryzen goodness will rule the day!
AMD on the up & up... :rockout:

Ruru · Jul 10, 2018

Using Ryzen with slow RAM kills the performance quite well. It gains significant boost from fast RAM.

eidairaman1 · Jul 10, 2018

Here you go, listen to what he says about boards, look through his channel for x470 board tear downs.

cucker tarlson · Jul 10, 2018

eidairaman1 · Jul 10, 2018

To be stuck with a platform with no upgrades forget that. Intel platform=deadends

AM4 please

I mean heck intel is forcing a platform upgrade yet again for those wanting a 28 core...

cucker tarlson · Jul 10, 2018

Well,your options have been laid out on the table Splinterdog, whether you will make your decision based on performance reviews and price or you make it based on this

eidairaman1 said:
AM4 please

is up to you.

If you are brand agnostic and wanting help, I also encourage you to check this gentleman's record on this site and then have a perspective on why he tells you to go all out amd.

ShurikN · Jul 10, 2018

If I were you, I wouldn't bother with locked i5s.
Either go with 8600K or 2600X. It all comes down to your budget. If you played CSGO I would suggest to get Intel, but since that's not the case it's up to you.
Just bare in mind that with AM4 you at least get one more generation of upgrades (Ryzen 3000 and possibly 4000), while with Intel you get the slight possibility of upgrade, but most likely not.

AlwaysHope · Jul 10, 2018

eidairaman1 said:
To be stuck with a platform with no upgrades forget that. Intel platform=deadends

AM4 please

I mean heck intel is forcing a platform upgrade yet again for those wanting a 28 core...

That is a BIG reason why I gave up on Intel when socket 1155 was launched, about a yr after 1156!
How long did AM3+ last for? A LOT longer than 1156, that's for sure!

Melvis · Jul 10, 2018

Mussels · Jul 10, 2018

As a first gen ryzen owner, definitely grab the second gen - the improved boost clocks make manual overclocking almost pointless, while keeping wattages much lower

Unless you're going for 144hz refresh rates in demanding games, a 2nd gen ryzen will be more than enough, with upgradability built in for CPU's for a few more years

Edit: as for AM3+ performance, oh god was it terrible. I'd take a sandy bridge over AM3/3+ any day, despite the AMD boards often having better features.

Ruru · Jul 10, 2018

AlwaysHope said:
That is a BIG reason why I gave up on Intel when socket 1155 was launched, about a yr after 1156!
How long did AM3+ last for? A LOT longer than 1156, that's for sure!

Though AM3+ CPUs had crappy performance its whole lifetime. Friend had a FX-8320 + FX990 set which he sold and got a i5-3570K + Z77. Somehow a stupid change, but not in gaming performance.

But I truly agree that Intel's fooling around with those sockets is something unbelievable. The only thing there is that old coolers are compatible, since they just snip a pin or two, or add a pin.

Deleted member 178884 · Jul 10, 2018

Get AM4 and end this argument, Intel socket refreshes too often and amd actually sticks to the same socket. It doesn't even look like intel's keeping their x299 chipset which is horse dump since HEDT chipsets shouldn't be refreshed.

Vario · Jul 10, 2018

For the socket argument, here is my rebuttal:
Do you ever feel that you should have upgraded to the 9590 from the 8350? That was what the AM3 living socket offered you. Do you think that we will be on DDR4 forever? How many more Ryzen generations will be released before DDR5 is mainstream? Do you think the one or two generations will offer any worthwhile upgrade enough to expend another ‎£220 once more and sell your existing one at a loss? Personally I don't care that Z370 is "dead" after coffee lake because I can sell the motherboard for nearly the same price I paid and buy another one. Thats what I did with Ivy Bridge. Not a big deal. People pay a lot for a EoL motherboard that is in perfect shape and has the box and all documentation.
For the thread argument:
There is no advantage now in gaming from having six more threads. In fact, it hurts performance, both for Intel and AMD. You are better off with HT or SMT turned OFF. Why do you think that will change in the future? Once games will require 12 real cores you will have long upgraded and if you hadn't it will be so slow overall that those virtual threads will not provide enough benefit to matter.
For the cost argument:
The 8400 system is proven to be cheaper: cheaper processor, cheaper ram, cheaper motherboard, and the whole thing uses less power so cheaper power supply.
For the speed argument:
the 8400 equals or surpasses the 2600 for gaming.
For the fanboy argument:
these companies all employ the same engineers, the whole rivalry thing is about as dumb as rooting for sports teams, buy the one that is better for your usage scenario, you are not a patron of the silicon arts.

Ruru · Jul 10, 2018

Well, DDR3 was mainstream for about 6 years, 2009 (Phenom II AM3, Core i3/i5/i7 LGA1156) - 2015 (Skylake for mainstream DDR4). And DDR2 was from 2005/2006 to 2009. DDR2 did come out in 2004 for consumers, but it was expensive, not that fast and Pentium 4 wasn't everyone's choice, so I'd say that it became popular/mainstream a little later, at least with AM2 and Core 2 processors.

I'd not be worried that DDR4 will be replaced that soon.

Vario · Jul 10, 2018

Chloe Price said:
Well, DDR3 was mainstream for about 6 years, 2009 (Phenom II AM3, Core i3/i5/i7 LGA1156) - 2015 (Skylake for mainstream DDR4). And DDR2 was from 2005/2006 to 2009. DDR2 did come out in 2004 for consumers, but it was expensive, not that fast and Pentium 4 wasn't everyone's choice, so I'd say that it became popular/mainstream a little later, at least with AM2 and Core 2 processors.

I'd not be worried that DDR4 will be replaced that soon.

Right now they are saying 2019/2020. 1.5-2 years. How many future/upcoming processor generations will encompass that span?

Jelle Mees said:
- The Ryzen 2600x is better at Multi-tasking

Got a source?

Deleted member 178884 · Jul 10, 2018

For the all-for new motherboard socket every year argument:
Wrong, The fx series was a failure, period. Take a look at ryzen? It's performing exceptionally close to intel every time whilst costing less, Ryzen 2700x was a success and it's on a socket that hasn't been changed, Take a look at coffee lakes socket and then kaby lake - Ryzen didn't pull this BS.
Users with the ryzen 2700x can upgrade cpu without changing motherboards - why buy a high end motherboard with features for it to be used for a year then changed? Motherboards last 6+ years easily. The am4 socket will have cpus until 2020 - All on am4. DDR5 can be supported with a refreshed board still using am4 - not that difficult 1151 done it, there are some ddr3 boards.

Vario said:
and the whole thing uses less power so cheaper power supply.

Intel fanboy spotted:
https://www.techspot.com/review/1614-ryzen-2600/page4.html
WOW a entire 11 W, That's totally enough to get a lower wattage unit....

Vario · Jul 10, 2018

Why use it just one year? I used 1155 from December 2012 to December 2017. I then sold the motherboard for the exact same price I bought it for, $140. Refreshed board with DDR5 using AM4... meaning buying another board?

Deleted member 178884 · Jul 10, 2018

That's because 1155 wasn't intel pulling BS, I can't even sell my z170m mortar for £60 at half the cost it's worth.

Vario · Jul 10, 2018

Just because a new processor comes out doesn't mean you have to buy it. And subsequently, have to buy a new motherboard for it. You would be a fool to upgrade that frequently.

Xx Tek Tip xX said:
Intel fanboy spotted

Grow up.

Deleted member 178884 · Jul 10, 2018

Vario said:
Why use it just one year? I used 1155 from December 2012 to December 2017. I then sold the motherboard for the exact same price I bought it for, $140. Refreshed board using AM4... meaning buying another board?

Yes, Take a look at x370 and x470 - It's a refreshed board, DDR5 will not come until late 2020 anyway and the performance difference will be minuscule at this point only the efficiency will be better

Vario said:
Just because a new processor comes out doesn't mean you have to buy it. And subsequently, have to buy a new motherboard for it. You would be a fool to upgrade that frequently.

Not my fault your broke, I upgrade as and when I please. Am4 makes sense since the 2020 cpus will have solid single core performance and compete with the latest intel cpus well. The gaming difference will drop and you don't need to throw out the motherboard like "Z" crap. Intel are pulling crap refreshes out and the z270x gaming 7 I own is the final intel Z motherboard I will ever own, Excluding the fact I still need a x299 board for my 7740x

Splinterdog · Jul 10, 2018

As mentioned previously, I don't upgrade my main PC too often because of the prices down here in Argentina, but when there's an economic window we all grab the chance. The RX580 for example, which I bought in December, has now doubled in price.
Anyway, I'm going for the Ryzen 2600X because I only upgrade every five years or so and it's worth going for the extra oomph as well, since I only go to the UK every two years.
Newegg is considerably cheaper than Novatech.
AMD RYZEN 5 2600X 6-Core 3.6 GHz (4.2 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 95W YD260XBCAFBOX Desktop Processor
ASUS ROG Strix X470-F Gaming AM4 AMD X470 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Either
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) Desktop Memory Model CMW16GX4M2C3000C15
Or (depending on QVL)
HyperX Predator 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 RAM (Desktop Memory) CL15 XMP Black DIMM (288-Pin) HX430C15PB3K2/16

If I have any spare cash I may go for a larger SSD to boot from too.The 250Gb Samsung EVO seems to fill up without me looking.

Vario · Jul 10, 2018

Xx Tek Tip xX said:
Not my fault your broke

Xx Tek Tip xX said:
Intel fanboy spotted

Can you not offer reasonable arguments without resorting to ad hominem?

Splinterdog said:
As mentioned previously, I don't upgrade my main PC too often because of the prices down here in Argentina, but when there's an economic window we all grab the chance. The RX580 for example, which I bought in December, has now doubled in price.
Anyway, I'm going for the Ryzen 2600X because I only upgrade every five years or so and it's worth going for the extra oomph as well, since I only go to the UK every two years.
Newegg is considerably cheaper than Novatech.
AMD RYZEN 5 2600X 6-Core 3.6 GHz (4.2 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 95W YD260XBCAFBOX Desktop Processor
ASUS ROG Strix X470-F Gaming AM4 AMD X470 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Either
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) Desktop Memory Model CMW16GX4M2C3000C15
Or (depending on QVL)
HyperX Predator 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 RAM (Desktop Memory) CL15 XMP Black DIMM (288-Pin) HX430C15PB3K2/16

If I have any spare cash I may go for a larger SSD to boot from too.The 250Gb Samsung EVO seems to fill up without me looking.

Sounds fair go for it.

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