The TPU UK Clubhouse

[Deleted member 178884]

Not sure tbh, @Tatty_One would have to weigh in here as this clubhouse doesn't follow all the typical tech forums rules, but isn't full blown GN either.

It's probably best not to allow it for many reasons, give it a few hours of debate and it won't adhere to the forums rules. Best thing to do is let the mod and op decide whether it's allowed or not.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I have no issues with some light political banter in a clubhouse, it's topical in any case with the UK's current position/situation, most of the people who frequent here can be quite sensible and mature, if that's not the case then I would treat it like anything else and sort it.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

if that's not the case then I would treat it like anything else and sort it.

 

[kurosagi01]

The whole thread from as long as i can remember has been a general UK talk amongst us UK folks since TPU is a international forum(but mostly Americans), some tech talk here and there and few political talks.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Cool, time to keep a bag of popcorn handy as anti - Boris and Boris fans collide before the staff roll in.

 

[dorsetknob]

As some have predicted
Sur Sir Bori the brave has just cleaned his Armour ready to campaign for his place top of the trough.

 

[kurosagi01]

Sir bori running away sounds like him..like how he rugby tackled down a japanese kid on his visit to japan lol.

In other news..its a lot cooler today which means its operational work condition in good old british office with no air con.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Oh my..

 

[dorsetknob]

Speculation
Blow job quit so he could go into hiding because his Toupee lookalike is about to Visit
he might be thinking the wetwork team might mistake him or the Gullable public might be confused and lay siege in protest

 

[Tatty_Two]

I think all this fuss and resignations are because May publicly announced that the cabinet supported the Brexit approach when perhaps she should have said the majority of the cabinet voted in favour of it, meaning that 3 were against and the rest voted for, although for Boris, who didn't lie down on Heathrow's runway but instead took a trip to avoid getting tyre marks on his lovely white shirt I am afraid I can't believe this resignation was based on principle.

 

[dorsetknob]

At that chequers meeting She gave them all the chance to Support her or resign
( and the loss of the official Car immediately ).
long walk home from Chequers
So not much of a surprise they took to resigning after they got back to lundiddymum
(Taxi fare not tax deductible for "private travel )

 

[lexluthermiester]

So question; The whole "Brexit" thing was about the UK leaving the EU, the people voted and the matter is settled or at least it should be, so why is there such a fuss about it?

 

[RCoon]

So question; The whole "Brexit" thing was about the UK leaving the EU, the people voted and the matter is settled or at least it should be, so why is there such a fuss about it?

Basically the UK government has been arguing amongst themselves about what kind of deal they're going to ask for from the EU, for the last two years. They haven't even so much as solved the problem yet, including the rather large nuisance of the Irish border and the fact that Scotland and 48% of the citizens of England and Wales don't want to leave the EU. So they've danced and chanted for two long years about what kind of deal they're going to get out of leaving the EU and... they haven't run a single thing by the EU to see if this deal they've spent two years on is even acceptable.

So basically come October the government officials responsible for Britian leaving the EU will have half an idea of what they want, wander up to Brussels and be told "No", and then their two years of worthless fumbling will be, well, worthless, and we'll tumble out of the EU with zero deal, weaker trade strength. Then the incompetent government that caused this mess will blame the EU for stabbing us in the back, despite the fact we did this to ourselves willingly and didn't so much as come up with a reasonable plan and debate it with the people we're supposed to be debating it with in the first place.

But at least we'll have our sovereignty and jam will be our primary export. Most of my admittedly anecdotal evidence suggests a large portion of Leave voters simply did so because they really hate immigrants - even though they're the ones that'll be looking after them when they're old and incontenent because those are the jobs immigrants tend to take over here because British people are too proud to take them.

I've seen a few people blame the state of the NHS on immigration but I know a nurse, a junior doctor and a house doctor, and they all blame old people for the state of the NHS. A good 80% of NHS beds that are stuck are with people at 80+ who simply live in a hospital, either because they can't afford a care home or their family can't, or they simply go into hospital for something very minor and then end up there for months on end. Most GP surgeries are blocked up with old people with colds demanding antibiotics - I can't see a doctor within a week because the appointments are so backed up. Several nurses I spoke to literally said "We need a strong wave of flu" to deal with our overwhelmingly aged population.

 

[dorsetknob]

As always the devil is in the details ( and the EU like a petulant child thinks no one should leave and they are Scared that with out British money their whole sick institution will crash and fragment)
Of the Current 28 members only 3 pay in more than they Receive ( Britian being one and after we leave just who do you expect to step up to cover the loss of British contributions).
this is why the EU is trying to extract as much Cash as possible as part of Britain leaving

 

[lexluthermiester]

wander up to Brussels and be told "No"

The EU has no say in the matter. The UK was a sovereign nation before the EU and they have the right to leave anytime they wish. Regardless of the estimated "48%", the vote went in favor of leaving. The matter is concluded. So what is the real hold up? Is big business forcing politicians to drag it out or is there another variable at play?

 

[RCoon]

The EU has no say in the matter. The UK was a sovereign nation before the EU and they have the right to leave anytime they wish. Regardless of the estimated "48%", the vote went in favor of leaving. The matter is concluded. So what is the real hold up? Is big business forcing politicians to drag it out or is there another variable at play?

The EU does have a say in the matter, because we want access to the Single Market (which you only get by being a member), and freedom of movement (which you only get by being a member). We're demanding both and the EU has every right to tell us to jog on, because we can't have our cake and eat it. The reason the whole thing is taking so long is because as I said, the officials in charge of making the deal and finally leaving, literally have been handed a poisoned chalice and don't want to be holding it when we're suddenly told we can't have what we want.

Nobody wants to be holding the wheel when it happens, basically. Hence why two of the ministers involved in negotiations and Brexit in general have resigned.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The EU does have a say in the matter, because we want access to the Single Market (which you only get by being a member), and freedom of movement (which you only get by being a member). We're demanding both and the EU has every right to tell us to jog on, because we can't have our cake and eat it.

I get that. However, the vote is made. UK chooses to exit the EU. No more single market, no more movement without passports. The choice was made by the vote of the people. It is over. So realistically, the politicians tabled a vote, the people spoke and now those same politicians are too spineless to do the job the people require of them? Sad state of affairs. Not that we yanks have it much better.

 

[RCoon]

I get that. However, the vote is made. UK chooses to exit the EU. No more single market, no more movement without passports. The choice was made by the vote of the people. It is over. So realistically, the politicians tabled a vote, the people spoke and now those same politicians are to spineless to do the job the people require of them? Sad state of affairs. Not that we yanks have it much better.

I think the issue is that everybody voted for different reasons. Some voted to leave because they thought the NHS would get more money, some voted leave because they thought we'd be financially better off, some voted leave because they don't want anymore immigration (which, for the record, won't be quelled by leaving the EU LOL), some voted leave because they don't like certain people having human rights (criminals etc). Some people even voted leave because they thought the EU forces us to buy only straight bananas which is hilarious. The ministers all promised to deliver on these magical promises, as well as leaving the EU, and they know that when it comes down to it, a lot of people aren't going to get what they want.
Whoever is in charge of leaving is going to get blamed for everything that goes wrong with it, and right now the party currently in (The Conservatives), are not in a very strong position - they had to bribe the Irish with £2bil in order to secure their rule of the country. Once stuff starts going horribly wrong and not quite as comfortable as everybody thought it would be, they're going to be blamed for cocking it up, voted out, and lose their power for the next four to eight years possibly.

 

[dorsetknob]

I voted to join the EEC and since then its slowly changed from a Trading partnership to a political controlled subserviency
with we the subservient footing the bill
Loss of sovereignty ( erroding )
Unaccountably on so many issues
the threat of Our Armed forces coming under the political control of another Quasi Nation State.
and in the END when we finally got a Say on OUR FUTURE i voted to leave

 

[RCoon]

I voted to join the EEC and since then its slowly changed from a Trading partnership to a political controlled subserviency
with we the subservient footing the bill
Loss of sovereignty ( erroding )
Unaccountably on so many issues
the threat of Our Armed forces coming under the political control of another Quasi Nation State.
and in the END when we finally got a Say on OUR FUTURE i voted to leave

This is the issue, so many people voted leave for very different reasons, whatever comes out of Brexit is not going to be what everybody voted leave for. The resulting Brexit is not going to adhere to what all of those 52% wanted, only an unknown fraction of that.
I frequently ask people, what will Brexit do for me, and none of them have an answer aside from spouting SOVEREIGNTY and a bunch of other cookie cutter phrases that have been poured into their mouth. People still believe the £250mil NHS lie to this day which astounds me. Sovereignty doesn't pay my bills though.
If I walk into a Carrefour in Belgium and shout SOVEREIGNTY in the hopes of getting cheaper beer, I'm simply going to get escorted off the premises and subsequently barred from the store

 

[dorsetknob]

It effects your Ability to pay your Bills tho

you want a couple of examples of EU F**kups
Joe Pole and his wife move to Britain to do low pay work ( but higher paid than poland)
His 4 kids stay with their Grandparents in Krackow
he can claim and will be paid Child Support for kids who never lived in Britain
meanwhile the other grandparents move to Britain ( both pensioners on polish pension) where they then claim Income support
Because their Polish pension falls well short of the British pension
they get their income support ( including housing support ) to match what a British pensioner would receive
because otherwise it would be classed as Discrimination
(and they have never paid or contributed to our welfare state)
Is that fair on your wage packet ( and your increased NI Costs )

PS this is how some do exploit the British thru EU law and Rules

 

[the54thvoid]

I voted 'leave' for much the same reason @dorsetknob did. The real issue is that our government is more polarised than the populace. What should be a tough but straight-forward logical approach has become a pissing match between millionaire conservatives. Leaving the EU does not mean abandoning our ties with it. One of the biggest problems was the vote itself, it gave no options of choice, creating a horrendously vague outcome. I'm pro-immigration (semi-skilled or skilled), and happy to pay to access the single market. I'm pro-independence and believe judicial matters are not for a centralised European court to decide. The sovereign issue should not be trivialised, a country's sovereign right to rule is what we fought for in WW2. Let's not abandon all those brave people to the neo-liberal world stage that is actually a doctrine for centralised wealth. (In my view neo-liberals should not be confused with being liberal minded. Neo-liberalism is more of a political and economic model than it is a social viewpoint).

I never gave credence to the bullshit NHS claim, nor the rampant immigration lie. But I don't believe in a federal Europe, and given the chance to object to it was an obvious choice. I just regret that our government is just as bad as every other one out there. Politics, it seems, will never be trustworthy or fair.

EDIT:

PS this is how some do exploit the British thru EU law and Rules

I'd have to take that up and say the cost to the UK taxpayer of this sort of thing is low. The real cost is from our own 'born and bred' lazy ass idiots. As a disabled person, I used to get DLA. Then PIP came in and I lost it all. But now the cost of PIP is huge and I know from experience that white folks are just as bad at cheating the system - and there's more of us than the Poles.

 

[dorsetknob]

Politics, it seems, will never be trustworthy or fair.

politics and politicians all come from ( or Aspire to come ) from the Flashman school or class of people

( Flashman look it up you semi illiterate millennial's )

 

[kurosagi01]

The real cost is from our own 'born and bred' lazy ass idiots.

Love this quote

In other news...don't know if anyone following the world cup but ITS COMING HOME!

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Several nurses I spoke to literally said "We need a strong wave of flu" to deal with our overwhelmingly aged population.

Cant we just round them up and put them on one of these roller coasters at Alton towers that go up but 'never come down'??? That way they can have the time of their lives, maybe poop their pants a little but they will be dead before they know it.


On a side note.... Supposedly there is a rollercoaster designed for old people in sweden somewhere that does exactly this but rather than being faulty roller coaster like in the UK, the designer made it that it pulls enough G's constantly to kill old people, so its a legal method of euthanasia.

Its fucking hilarious

::EDIT::

BAH -- I just found out that its only a 'concept' the actual rollercoaster doesnt doesnt actually exist.