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Hmh adding two more cores upping core freqs and keeping the same tdp. 14nm+++ has to be great manufacturing process...(Yeah I know it's tdp, by intel words defined at base freqs at complex work loads. So it's actually 100MHz lower than six core i5 9600k).
 
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Hmh adding two more cores upping core freqs and keeping the same tdp. 14nm+++ has to be great manufacturing process...(Yeah I know it's tdp, by intel words defined at base freqs at complex work loads. So it's actually 100MHz lower than six core i5 9600k).

I wonder why they stick with that 95W TDP. What's the problem of having a bigger TDP?
 
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I wonder why they stick with that 95W TDP. What's the problem of having a bigger TDP?

Probably just marketing and the fact that they have certain build test procedure to adjust clock to different freqs(see datasheet vol1). Would be interesting to see though, can the 130W PCG 2015D thermal solution specification keep the all clocks as marketed or do they need new reference heatsink specification.
 
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I wonder if there's a Ryzen 2800x ready for this launch with 150W TDP
 
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Now intel finally realizes what a stupid idea it is to rip 1/4 of the L3 cache out of non-HT models. It causes total disaster in product segmentation when 6-core and 8-core are introduced. It seems they run out of time to change it in this generation.
 

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It's apparently all the consumer segment deserves... (Yes, AMD is almost as limiting, as you only get four extra for one NVMe drive)
That said, it's kind of costly, both in terms of actual cost and die space to add a lot of PCIe lanes to the CPU, so Intel gives them to us via the bottle necked chipset instead, chopped up in little pieces with four lanes seemingly being the widest supported.
It also seems like neither CPU maker is considering a fatter pipe to the chipset, which is sad.
C7H motherboard can split the 16x going from CPU to PCI-E x16_1 slot and then use x4 of those for direct CPU to M.2_2 slot. That way both M.2 slots will get full bandwidth from the CPU. Granted GPU will have to live with x8 instead of x16 but atleast the option is there.
 
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"95W"

Notice those low base clocks? And remember how Intel explicitly only guarantees base clocks within TDP? Yeah, that i9, if this is real, will not go far above that base clock under multi-core loads, that's for sure. An OC'd 8700K runs, what, 220-250W at around 5GHz? Adding two cores won't lower that number, that's for sure. Let's be generous and put it at 300W for 8c at 5GHz, if not 350. That needs some hefty cooling.

Considering Intel's stock cooler can't keep up with an i7-8700 (non-K) (yes, it thermal throttles below base clocks), it'll be fun to see how much their non-K 8-core will thermal throttle with stock cooling. Meanwhile, AMD gives you an 8-core with a great stock cooler that keeps cool and quiet - for less money. And it's unlocked, if you want to eke out a few hundred MHz of multi-core performance.

In my eyes, Intel is in serious trouble.

Probably just marketing and the fact that they have certain build test procedure to adjust clock to different freqs(see datasheet vol1). Would be interesting to see though, can the 130W PCG 2015D thermal solution specification keep the all clocks as marketed or do they need new reference heatsink specification.
Not only marketing - it'd also be troublesome in terms of motherboard VRM ratings and compatibility. While not an issue on mid-range and up motherboards (let alone high-end ones with 400W+ VRMs), low-end boards often have bare-bones VRMs specced to barely exceed the rated wattage of the highest end CPUs they support, with no or next to no cooling. While this would be a marginal issue at best, it would essentially require (a paranoid/protective corporation like) Intel to mark high-end CPUs as "incompatible" with low-end motherboards to avoid potential lawsuits over people frying their VRMs by sticking "compatible" high-wattage CPUs into bargain-basement motherboards.
 
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So TechPowerUP declares that there three cpu:s are 100% compatible with ALL 300-series moderboards with Bios update?!

"...three chips are backwards-compatible with existing motherboards based on the 300-series chipset with BIOS updates."
 
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I wonder if then the 9700(non-K) will be a chip that hits 4.8-4.9ghz on turbo boost?
That would be one hell of a "future proof" gaming CPU.
 
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It's a cost cutting measure for Intel to save a couple bucks. If you save 5 cents on the manufacturing cost per cpu x 1,000,000, you just pocketed yourself a cool 50 grand. No matter what arguments anyone may use to support their decision to use paste rather than solder, that's what truly lies at the heart of the matter. In the plastics factory I work at, I've seen new molds come in that were making exactly the same part as the old mold we were already using... the only difference is the part might be like a few hundredths of an inch thinner. Seems like a silly investment, but when you take the cost of the little bit of material saved by making a slightly thinner part and multiply that by some number in the millions over the lifetime of the mold and you're pocketing quite a bit over time.



It's already 5GHz turbo. That's probably the max turbo frequency supported by a single core, but still, 5GHz across the board wouldn't be a very far stretch from that. 5GHz is already no stranger to currently existing K series Coffee Lake chips, anyway. Intel is pushing core count and frequency in response to Ryzen.

Yes 5 GHz on one or two cores, but just as I7 8086K a turbo boost to 5 GHz dosent mean all cores can handle 5 GHz. Some cores might be better than others on the same die. We all ready had the first 5 GHz oc cpu´s back with sandy brigde or I7 2600K. A few of them are capable of 5 GHz oc. Then intel official clamed that I7 4790K cut do a 5 GHz oc, but far from all cut do that. Most topped out at 4.7-4.8 GHz. Its the same with all CPU´s some oc better than others and i dost exspect that to change with 9000 series. So there i belive as well some will do 5 GHz on all cores while others will do less and a few above 5 GHz. Just like I7 8700K a few of them can go to 5-1-5.2 GHz.
 
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So TechPowerUP declares that there three cpu:s are 100% compatible with ALL 300-series moderboards with Bios update?!

"...three chips are backwards-compatible with existing motherboards based on the 300-series chipset with BIOS updates."
Considering Intel has never differentiated compatibility like that on the same socket and chipset series, it would be quite the jump for them to limit compatibility to, say, Z370/390 only. Especially given that all 300-series chipset save Z370 are the same silicon.

What i wanna know is, where the hell is the X299 successor and its processors?

Waiting for 10nm alongside everyone and everything else at Intel.

Yes 5 GHz on one or two cores, but just as I7 8086K a turbo boost to 5 GHz dosent mean all cores can handle 5 GHz. Some cores might be better than others on the same die. We all ready had the first 5 GHz oc cpu´s back with sandy brigde or I7 2600K. A few of them are capable of 5 GHz oc. Then intel official clamed that I7 4790K cut do a 5 GHz oc, but far from all cut do that. Most topped out at 4.7-4.8 GHz. Its the same with all CPU´s some oc better than others and i dost exspect that to change with 9000 series. So there i belive as well some will do 5 GHz on all cores while others will do less and a few above 5 GHz. Just like I7 8700K a few of them can go to 5-1-5.2 GHz.
The main difference is that Intel never shipped chips clocked at 5GHz before, even in single-core turbo. That's the achievement of the 8086K, even if it's a largely inconsequential one as nothing is really that single-threaded any more. Still, this does say something about how good Intel's binning and voltage/frequency curve tuning has become. On the other hand, it also says something about just how much those extra few hundred MHz are suddenly worth, now that IPC gains have been nonexistent for three generations, process nodes gains have stopped, and they all of a sudden have fierce competition. They can no longer afford to let those performance margins sit on the table.
 
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I wish they could drop integrated graphics on upper mid-range models. It's such a waste on ~$250 CPUs and up.

I don't get the naming scheme here. i9-9900K and i7-9700K being 8-cores. So will HEDT be cramped into i9-9910 i9-9990?

As far as I can see the reason HT is gone from all but the top part means Intel has also realized its merit in a consumer environment is limited, and it also helps them with binning because they only need the 9900K to do that now.
I would argue it's time to drop HT from the design for most or all consumer products. HT might have made sense when CPUs had one core, but it's getting harder and harder for operating systems to balance the load, and the cores do suffer in terms of cache and prefetcher efficiency. With 8 cores there is no longer significant gains from HT, and this die space could instead be used for higher IPC.

Yeah thought that would be the case. But seriously 8/16 Threaded CPU with only 16 PCI-E lanes.

Seems a little too far fetched for me.
Only those who run heavy compute workloads needs more, and those 0.1% can buy HEDT.

I don't understand why you would think a mainstream CPU would allow more. Again: why?
It's not just market segmentation, every feature which cost some die space affects price and thermal efficiency. You can make the same argument for quad channel memory, cache redesign, more chipset features etc. etc. All could be nice to have, but would drive up the price of the platform and only be useful for relatively few buyers. If you have any such requirement, just go with HEDT, that's why the segment exists. You pay quite a bit extra, of course.

Notice those low base clocks? And remember how Intel explicitly only guarantees base clocks within TDP? Yeah, that i9, if this is real, will not go far above that base clock under multi-core loads, that's for sure. An OC'd 8700K runs, what, 220-250W at around 5GHz? Adding two cores won't lower that number, that's for sure. Let's be generous and put it at 300W for 8c at 5GHz, if not 350. That needs some hefty cooling.
Base clock is all core clock with AVX workload. Some workloads, including gaming, doesn't use AVX, allowing the CPU to boost all cores much higher without increasing the energy consumption. This should not be confused with overclocking all cores (with AVX) to the same clock speed.

Meanwhile, AMD gives you an 8-core with a great stock cooler that keeps cool and quiet - for less money. And it's unlocked, if you want to eke out a few hundred MHz of multi-core performance.

In my eyes, Intel is in serious trouble.
Then you should clean your glasses. i7-8700/K beats Ryzen 7 2700/X, with 2 fewer cores, and AMD boosting beyond their TDP, and consumes more than Intel. Intel doesn't need a mainstream 8-core CPU to compete with current Ryzens.

What i wanna know is, where the hell is the X299 successor and its processors?
X299 will be refreshed soon. The successor will be Ice Lake-X coming "next year".
 
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What i wanna know is, where the hell is the X299 successor and its processors?

It just came out last summer. These are meant to last awhile and slow to incorporate new stuff in the mainstream segment.
 

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Yes 5 GHz on one or two cores, but just as I7 8086K a turbo boost to 5 GHz dosent mean all cores can handle 5 GHz. Some cores might be better than others on the same die. We all ready had the first 5 GHz oc cpu´s back with sandy brigde or I7 2600K. A few of them are capable of 5 GHz oc. Then intel official clamed that I7 4790K cut do a 5 GHz oc, but far from all cut do that. Most topped out at 4.7-4.8 GHz. Its the same with all CPU´s some oc better than others and i dost exspect that to change with 9000 series. So there i belive as well some will do 5 GHz on all cores while others will do less and a few above 5 GHz. Just like I7 8700K a few of them can go to 5-1-5.2 GHz.

5GHz Sandy Bridge, sure... but since then they've had a lot of time to improve from there.
 
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Also, Skylake refresh... I bet they didn't fix any of the vulnerabilities either...
I bet they didn't too. Too soon for either AMD or Intel to fix the buzz vulnerabilities via architecture. It the scheme these vulnerabilities are no more worrisome than the half dozen that aren't publicly known but already discovered.

All bout price. If Intel stays within 20% of the corresponding AMD product, Intel's 80-90% market domination continues.

https://www.techpowerup.com/234864/...gaining-market-share-vs-intel-thanks-to-ryzen
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...shows-amds-cpu-market-share-steadily-climbing
 
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Base clock is all core clock with AVX workload. Some workloads, including gaming, doesn't use AVX, allowing the CPU to boost all cores much higher without increasing the energy consumption. This should not be confused with overclocking all cores (with AVX) to the same clock speed.
That doesn't make advertising 1.3GHz-up-from-base boost clocks that can't be maintained by normal coolers and only matter for 1-2 core loads any less shady, though. I'd wager this rumored 9900K would run at 3.7-3.8-ish under sustained all-core loads when not OC'd/without MCT (i.e. when power limited). If not power limited, I'm sure it can run quite a lot faster, but that requires hefty cooling. Even a jump of a few hundred MHz would add significantly to power consumption. 8 current Intel cores at 4.6GHz at 14nm++ would easily consume 150-200W.
Then you should clean your glasses. i7-8700/K beats Ryzen 7 2700/X, with 2 fewer cores, and AMD boosting beyond their TDP, and consumes more than Intel. Intel doesn't need a mainstream 8-core CPU to compete with current Ryzens.
Nah, I don't need to, but you really ought to work on your reading comprehension. Just to be extra clear: "Intel is in serious trouble" does not mean "Intel is losing" or anything similar. It simply means that they are in serious trouble. What trouble? They stand to lose a lot of market share across multiple large segments of their business of they don't get their act together quick: consumer (mainly desktop, but also laptops), enterprise/workstation/HEDT, and server.

They still have a minor process advantage, but that's going away soon thanks to their 3-years-late 10nm process and the soon-to-arrive 7nm processes from TSMC and GloFo (which from all reports should be competitive at least in feature size - we'll have to see in terms of power and clock scaling). Considering that Intel has delayed the launch of 10nm several times, and the only "product" they have launched on it is a gimped-beyond-belief i3 with a disabled iGPU and an oddly high TDP (considering it doesn't have an iGPU) that it reportedly strong-armed OEMs into building laptops around to say they have "shipping 10nm", it really wouldn't be surprising if 10nm suffered even more delays.

They also have a <1GHz clock speed advantage on the high end, but chances are that lead will shrink significantly if not disappear outright as AMD moves to a process that wasn't primarily designed for low-power mobile parts. It's true that the 2700X draws a lot of power at high clocks, but that's due to pushing clocks on a process not designed for this. 7nm is very, very likely to change this. Not to mention that the base Zen design is almost scary efficient at lower clocks, beating out Intel in perf/w <=3.5GHz. Intel still wins in mobile (due to low-power RAM and various platform optimizations that they've nailed down over the years), but they're not moving forward much.

Intel also have a ~10% (average) IPC advantage, but AMD has promised significant IPC increases for Zen2. Current rumors say 10-15%, but even if it's as low as 5% average (or average in gaming loads, which matter most to enthusiasts and consumers), that eats significantly into Intel's performance lead as long as clocks increase to match.

In short: Intel is in serious trouble. It needs to get its disastrous 10nm process out the door, preferably yesterday. It needs an architecture update to increase IPC as their arch hasn't changed (at all!) since Skylake. It needs to stop the idiotic chipset segregation, forcing users to pay for new motherboards that aren't necessary at all, which is pushing users away. It needs to get its PR somewhat in line with reality (stop acting like they're light-years ahead of everyone else, and avoid catastrophes like the "28 cores at 5GHz!!!!" debacle, and so on). Intel has so damn much to lose, and over the last year it hasn't shown much in the way of initiative or ability to staunch the bleeding. Of course, they might still pull this off. But I'm not confident in that.
 
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As cool as it is to see AMD back in the CPU game, Intel isn't going anywhere. You guys have seen recent market numbers, right? AMD are still smallfries in comparison. Intel is just that big.

I guess you could say that largeness means they have a lot to lose.. but it still wouldn't be something very noticable just yet.
 
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As cool as it is to see AMD back in the CPU game, Intel isn't going anywhere. You guys have seen recent market numbers, right? AMD are still smallfries in comparison. Intel is just that big.

I guess you could say that largeness means they have a lot to lose.. but it still wouldn't be something very noticable just yet.
Yeah & remember the holes, the many holes? Guess what Intel's getting more sales due to that :roll:
 
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As cool as it is to see AMD back in the CPU game, Intel isn't going anywhere. You guys have seen recent market numbers, right? AMD are still smallfries in comparison. Intel is just that big.

I guess you could say that largeness means they have a lot to lose.. but it still wouldn't be something very noticable just yet.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not at all saying Intel is going anywhere. That was the very thing I was trying to clarify. I'm just saying they have so damn much to lose, and look like they're on the verge of losing quite a bit. Even a 10% drop in client and/or server market share would seriously harm their bottom line (in q1 2018, these groups had $9B and $5,2B in revenue respectively, 88% of Intel's total revenue, in a quarter with $4,5B net income - if they lose 10% out of each of those groups, that's a ~$1,5B loss of revenue, or 1/3 of their total for that quarter!). And that's pretty much a minimum of what we can expect both Ryzen and Epyc to reach over the 2nd-3rd generation (note: not % of install base, obviously, but % of new sales). AMD has already taken a decent chunk out of their consumer bottom line, even if the 8700K alone is reportedly responsible for comparable revenue to AMD's entire lineup. When you're at ~100% market share in a stagnant market, the only real possible change is a loss. And if you're complacent while the competition catches up, you risk those losses getting out of hand.
 
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