Intel to Paper-launch 9th Gen Core on August 14, Availability in Q4-2018

[StrayKAT]

First I game @1440p and second no one is gaming @4K/60Hz because you need minimum 1080Ti 11GB SLI and doubt there is very many people running that configuration. Since one 1080Ti has a very hard time running 4K/60Hz ... Most games are only 50fps to 55fps slid show for first person gaming. FC5 Ultra mode perfect example.

You definitely don't need SLI. lol. One 1080Ti is fine. And one 1080 or Vega64 can do well too. It depends on the game. I can play many lighter (Cuphead, Ori) and/or two years and older type of titles (Tomb Raider, Arkham) at 4K/60Hz. Some exceptions like Forza 7 and DOOM are heavier games, but well optimized.

Then Freesync makes up for many games that drop under 60fps, but feel like 60fps.

 

[Tomorrow]

First I game @1440p and second no one is gaming @4K/60Hz because you need minimum 1080Ti 11GB SLI and doubt there is very many people running that configuration. Since one 1080Ti has a very hard time running 4K/60Hz ... Most games are only 50fps to 55fps slid show for first person gaming. FC5 Ultra mode perfect example.

The other error in your statement is you said "Intel first generation 10nm" If you know what Intel is doing you would have not said anything. October 2019 Intel is releasing new architecture called Icelake made on 10nm+ "Second Generation 10nm" as for Zen 2 on first generation 7nm!

As I said before the fastest CPUs year to year!

8700K the fastest 2017
9900K the fastest 2018
Icelake will out perform Zen 2 in 2019.

The way I look at it is Zen supposed to be brand new killer architecture? Yet like you said has a hard time dealing with "Intel older outdated architecture?"

At the end of the day old Intel has superior IPC with 1GHz+ o/c capabilities with all cores no problems.

At 1440p you are GPU bound. I fail to see how 8700K wouuld have any noticeable advantage over Ryzen 7 at those settings. I agree that for 4K/60 the only viable card is 1080Ti and in terms of graphics AMD is not in the same league as Nvidia.

We don't know yet if it's first or second gen 10nm. I bet it is first. I doubt Intel just threw away billions of dollars of R&D and skipped entire generation without releasing any products based on it. Well Zen has done very well considering it has been on the market for 18 months or so, while Intel has had 12 years to perfect Core. The reason Zen is killer archidecture is MCM design instead of monolitic. Going further Intel will also have to go MCM or risk being left behind. We can already see this in the HEDT market where Intel's chips are low yielding monolithic dies that cost thousands upon thousands of dollars and can't go beyond 28 cores where as AMD already had 32 core Zen (Epyc) right out of the gate and now 32 core Threadripper too for even cheaper. Plus Intel will have problems scaling their Ringbus interconnect past 10 cores. Hence why they went with Mesh interconnect for Skylake-X but because of it it's actually a slower gaming CPU.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

You definitely don't need SLI. lol. One 1080Ti is fine. And one 1080 or Vega64 can do well too. It depends on the game. I can play many lighter (Cuphead, Ori) and/or two years and older type of titles (Tomb Raider, Arkham) at 4K/60Hz. Some exceptions like Forza 7 and DOOM are heavier games, but well optimized.

Then Freesync makes up for many games that drop under 60fps, but feel like 60fps.

As you said depends on the game with a 1080Ti, the up coming 1170 will be similar performance to the 1080Ti and still not a true 4K/60 card. The 1180 and 1180Ti both will be true solid 4K/60+ cards.

And yes next gen Freesync 2 and G-Sync HDR help big time for FPS if you can afford them?

I myself looking at getting this G-Sync HDR Monitor this October!

ROG SWIFT PG35VQ

35" Ultra-WQHD 3K HDR 200Hz Curved
https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG35VQ/

3K/90 Ultra mode much more easy to run in new games then 4K/60
Just need a new video card to drive it! 1180+ anyone??

 

[StrayKAT]

As you said depends on the game with a 1080Ti, the up coming 1170 will be similar performance to the 1080Ti and still not a true 4K/60 card. The 1180 and 1180Ti both will be true solid 4K/60+ cards.

And yes next gen Freesync 2 and G-Sync HDR help big time for FPS if you can afford them?

I myself looking at getting this G-Sync HDR Monitor this October!

ROG SWIFT PG35VQ

35" Ultra-WQHD 3K HDR 200Hz Curved
https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG35VQ/

3K/90 Ultra mode much more easy to run in new games then 4K/60
Just need a new video card to drive it! 1180+ anyone??

You're not wrong.. I guess I personally don't play enough new games to tell how much I'm being held back. I'm still catching up on 2014-2016 games! But like I said, there are a few newer ones that even my Vega can handle (Forza especially.. but that might be because it benefits from Xbox development).

 

[Prima.Vera]

As you said depends on the game with a 1080Ti, the up coming 1170 will be similar performance to the 1080Ti and still not a true 4K/60 card. The 1180 and 1180Ti both will be true solid 4K/60+ cards.

And yes next gen Freesync 2 and G-Sync HDR help big time for FPS if you can afford them?

I myself looking at getting this G-Sync HDR Monitor this October!

ROG SWIFT PG35VQ

35" Ultra-WQHD 3K HDR 200Hz Curved
https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG35VQ/

3K/90 Ultra mode much more easy to run in new games then 4K/60
Just need a new video card to drive it! 1180+ anyone??

If you are interested there is a X35 version of the ACER PREDATOR being launched, with identical specs as PG35VQ.

I have the X34 version of the monitor, and let me tell you, I cannot go back to a different one now.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

If you are interested there is a X35 version of the ACER PREDATOR being launched, with identical specs as PG35VQ.

I have the X34 version of the monitor, and let me tell you, I cannot go back to a different one now.

I know exactly what your taking about!! I too already have an ROG-SWIFT-PG27VQ and looking to get a second monitor for my other RIG
https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG27VQ/

Both of those 200Hz monitors with upcoming 1180+ 16GB or future 1180Ti 24GB card and 8700K and or 9700K, 9900K will be the best 2018 PC Gaming will get! and then there's second place Vega64 / Vega64 Liquid / 2700X / 2800X

Good time for PC Gaming again!

My 8700K @5.1GHz Cooled by EK has reached its limits....throw in a 9900K see if I can get o/c to 5.5GHz 8 Cores?

 

[oxidized]

AMD for one is not playing dirty tactics, unlike Intel. So, yeah, that's kinda true.

That's BS they always play dirty tactics even more than intel, it's just that people don't know. And in addition they also have retarded ads.

 

[RejZoR]

Like what? Shilling their shit with under the table deals with OEM's that cost AMD to ever get anywhere close to any desktops or laptops even during their golden era of AthlonXP/Athlon64 ? Especially back then when it mattered the most, far more than today. Give me a break. The dirtiest AMD has done were cheeky advertisements like they are again pulling with Threadripper...

 

[oxidized]

Like what? Shilling their shit with under the table deals with OEM's that cost AMD to ever get anywhere close to any desktops or laptops even during their golden era of AthlonXP/Athlon64 ? Especially back then when it mattered the most, far more than today. Give me a break. The dirtiest AMD has done were cheeky advertisements like they are again pulling with Threadripper...

No that's BS, and if you really think AMD is not dirty your fanboyism is really showing, and you're being very naive.

 

[RejZoR]

I love it when ppl call you fanboy while owning an Intel CPU. And call you Intel hater at the same time when I say anything good about AMD. You ppl are funny.

 

[oxidized]

I love it when ppl call you fanboy while owning an Intel CPU. And call you Intel hater at the same time when I say anything good about AMD. You ppl are funny.

It's an old CPU, at that time AMD had 0 decent stuff to buy, no wonder you have that, if you had something from AMD back then you'd be actually troubled, not a fanboy anymore, being a fanboy of any of these corporation is one of the stupidest thing on earth, you on the other hand really try your hardest to show how much you like AMD and dislike Intel, for the wrong reasons.

Besides you admitted multiple times being fan of AMD, why are you even playing this game of "I love it when ppl call you fanboy while owning an Intel CPU"

 

[RejZoR]

I admitted no such thing, ever. LOL. Stop saying shit I never said. And it's the only game you lot keep on playing all the time. By quoting non existent things and flagging people as "fanboys"... Dude, I have a system with 5820K and Z8300. And one laptop with AMD A9-9420. Are you gonna say I'm a VIA fanboy now? Or a hater? Even you can't make up your mind lol. So just stop it.

AMD had zero decent stuff during Athlon XP and Athlon 64 era. Oooookay. Only Intel fanboy would say such a thing...

 

[oxidized]

I admitted no such thing, ever. LOL. Stop saying shit I never said. And it's the only game you lot keep on playing all the time. By quoting non existent things and flagging people as "fanboys"... Dude, I have a system with 5820K and Z8300. And one laptop with AMD A9-9420. Are you gonna say I'm a VIA fanboy now? Or a hater? Even you can't make up your mind lol. So just stop it.

AMD had zero decent stuff during Athlon XP and Athlon 64 era. Oooookay. Only Intel fanboy would say such a thing...

I'm sure 100% you said that, unless you modified the post, i'm going to find it and post it here. I said AMD had zero decent stuff in the time of I7 5820K (which is the one you have), stop understanding stuff like you want to just because it suits you. You are a blatant fanboy and you showed it, and you admitted it, just deal with that fact, so that everyone can give your words the right weight. Having products of a certain brand doesn't automatically make you unbiased.

You said something like "Ok, fine i like AMD, so what" I swear i'm going to find it and post it here unless you edited it, and granted my posting history reaches that far.

Edit: You're lucky i can't go back too much, not even in my posts, anyway there's really no need to find anything, one can just check your posting and that's pretty clear. There's no problem with that, just acknowledge it and go forward, i'm sure at that point people won't even mind your posting since it's biased.

 

[Fx]

Or perhaps simply the best product? Yes because all I see are AMD fanboys talking about how better option Ryzen is, but in the end you forget that most people won´t bother with overclocking the chip to get better performance, they won´t bother spending 20 hours fine tuning memory timings, because not everyone buys B-Die Dimms.

I buy AMD and don't manually overclock. I also buy samsung B-dies. I know other people with similar practice as well. In your last two posts, I see you come off as a blind Intel fanboy. For your reference, I own more rigs with Intel in them than AMD so you can't go there.

Zubasa's and hzlph's post laid it out pretty well. You need to check yourself man.

 

[StrayKAT]

It's an old CPU, at that time AMD had 0 decent stuff to buy, no wonder you have that, if you had something from AMD back then you'd be actually troubled, not a fanboy anymore, being a fanboy of any of these corporation is one of the stupidest thing on earth, you on the other hand really try your hardest to show how much you like AMD and dislike Intel, for the wrong reasons.

Besides you admitted multiple times being fan of AMD, why are you even playing this game of "I love it when ppl call you fanboy while owning an Intel CPU"

Well, it's not worse than being a fanboy in "politics" at least. That's the best thing I can say about it.

 

[oxidized]

Well, it's not worse than being a fanboy in "politics" at least. That's the best thing I can say about it.

Definitely, i think that any form of fanboyism towards lucrative, or political stuff, is pretty stupid, it's not like we're talking about a band or a football team...

 

[ToxicTaZ]

9900K & 9700K are going to be amazing CPUs!

Do you think AMD will now release the 2800X?

The gap between the 9900K and 2700X is huge. And Q2 2019 is a long long ways away till Ryzen 3000 series.

 

[RejZoR]

I'm sure 100% you said that, unless you modified the post, i'm going to find it and post it here. I said AMD had zero decent stuff in the time of I7 5820K (which is the one you have), stop understanding stuff like you want to just because it suits you. You are a blatant fanboy and you showed it, and you admitted it, just deal with that fact, so that everyone can give your words the right weight. Having products of a certain brand doesn't automatically make you unbiased.

You said something like "Ok, fine i like AMD, so what" I swear i'm going to find it and post it here unless you edited it, and granted my posting history reaches that far.

Edit: You're lucky i can't go back too much, not even in my posts, anyway there's really no need to find anything, one can just check your posting and that's pretty clear. There's no problem with that, just acknowledge it and go forward, i'm sure at that point people won't even mind your posting since it's biased.

You are a blatant fanboy and you showed it, and you admitted it, just deal with that fact, so that everyone can give your words the right weight. Having products of a certain brand doesn't automatically make you unbiased.

I love it when you're so bloody confident and yet you can't find a single thing to back that claim. I don't have to be "lucky" about anything, because I never said anything like that and I can state that with absolute confidence without even checking my posts back. XD "I like AMD" is like saying "I also like NVIDIA" and "I also like Intel". And I also like chocolate and girls with big boobs... XD

 

[bubbleawsome]

RIP 8086k as a crazy 5.0Ghz CPU.

 

[StrayKAT]

Take what you like from each, I say.

But as big companies, they're bound to disappoint or do something shady. It always seems to be a matter of who's on top at the moment. There was a time when IBM was the big evil that needed to be defeated...but no one even cares about them anymore. Then it was Microsoft and the Borg.. and the little guy fighting 1984 (Apple). But now Apple is bigger than anyone. And Google's motto used to be "do no evil".. but they're amoral at best (re: China censorship), and parasites at worst (advertising).

 

[ToxicTaZ]

RIP 8086k as a crazy 5.0Ghz CPU.

Intel @5GHz is the new norm for there high-end products.

My 8700K @5.1GHz with all 6 cores runs 24/7 no problems. Other guys have there's at crazy 5.3GHz all 6 cores.

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/8086k53g

Shouldn't be hard for the 9900K running all 8 cores @5GHz.

That's all of us overclockers are thinking!

 

[oxidized]

I love it when you're so bloody confident and yet you can't find a single thing to back that claim. I don't have to be "lucky" about anything, because I never said anything like that and I can state that with absolute confidence without even checking my posts back. XD "I like AMD" is like saying "I also like NVIDIA" and "I also like Intel". And I also like chocolate and girls with big boobs... XD

You're an AMD blatant fanboy and as i already said there's not even need to go look for that post (of which i'm 101% certain, i remember it as it was happening now), it's as clear as day, so nothing, nothing you say can be taken seriously, especially when talking about AMD intel or nvidia.

 

[RejZoR]

You keep on saying that and yet you have ZERO evidence to support it. That's usually called "a lie" or a "baseless claim". Just because you're "certain you've seen it somewhere" that doesn't make it true. No matter how hard and desperately you want it to be true. You just look like an idiot trying to paint me in a certain way but failing to provide any evidence for it. But do go on how "certain" you are about it. XD

I on the other hand can claim that for a fact because I post the messages and my memory goes very far back and know I never said that. I damn well know what I say and I'm consistent about it. And only thing that speaks about anything is my wallet (apart from few rare times when I buy something stupid out of curiosity, like the current GTX 1080Ti even though GTX 1080 would serve me just fine all the same, but I sometimes just say fuck it and buy something stupidly expensive). Only thing one may call me of being a fanboy is sticking with brands I had good experience with. Like ASUS for motherboards or Gigabyte for graphic cards. But don't we all when it comes to brands? That doesn't make you a fanboy, it just makes you someone who sticks with products they had generally good experience with. It's what most of us do. But that's no metric for that, you're doing it by good faith the maker will continue the trend and that doesn't apply to a processor where you buy one in good faith it'll have a good performance. We do that based on performance metrics that are easily and scientifically measured. People don't buy Ryzen's and Threadrippers in good faith they'll perform well. They buy them because measurable metrics state that with absolute certainty.

 

[StrayKAT]

You keep on saying that and yet you have ZERO evidence to support it. That's usually called "a lie" or a "baseless claim". Just because you're "certain you've seen it somewhere" that doesn't make it true. No matter how hard and desperately you want it to be true. You just look like an idiot trying to paint me in a certain way but failing to provide any evidence for it. But do go on how "certain" you are about it. XD

I on the other hand can claim that for a fact because I post the messages and my memory goes very far back and know I never said that. I damn well know what I say and I'm consistent about it. And only thing that speaks about anything is my wallet (apart from few rare times when I buy something stupid out of curiosity, like the current GTX 1080Ti even though GTX 1080 would serve me just fine all the same, but I sometimes just say fuck it and buy something stupidly expensive). Only thing one may call me of being a fanboy is sticking with brands I had good experience with. Like ASUS for motherboards or Gigabyte for graphic cards. But don't we all when it comes to brands? That doesn't make you a fanboy, it just makes you someone who sticks with products they had generally good experience with. It's what most of us do. But that's no metric for that, you're doing it by good faith the maker will continue the trend and that doesn't apply to a processor where you buy one in good faith it'll have a good performance. We do that based on performance metrics that are easily and scientifically measured. People don't buy Ryzen's and Threadrippers in good faith they'll perform well. They buy them because measurable metrics state that with absolute certainty.

1080Ti still seems kind of worth it for 4K.. If not using that, then yeah.

 

[RejZoR]

It still is if you have 144Hz monitor and you're trying to push really high framerates to use it tho. So, it kinda makes sense even if you're not using 4K.