NVIDIA Settles Next-Gen GeForce Naming Confusion: It's GTX 2080 (or RTX 2080?)

[Fluffmeister]

Nvidia can utilise all their resources far better anyway, which is why their cards with lower TFLOPS compete just dandy with the competition.

Stick that in your ASYNC and smoke it.

 

[stimpy88]

Just like AdoredTV said weeks ago...

 

[cucker tarlson]

As far as I remember, async shaders is designed to fill the part of the pipeline that is idling (please don't laugh if I'm getting the lingo wrong ), the more resources you have that are idling, the bigger the improvement with async. That's why I always said AMD cards are not getting any extra performance with async, they are getting performance back.

 

[AltCapwn]

I just hope it will be named RTX 30xx or 12xx so that everyone brain blows out

 

[Caring1]

Just name it the TRex 2018AD

 

[neatfeatguy]

So....what I gather from this is on Monday (8/20) we'll have answers to our questions. Great. Everything else is moot.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Heh, only someone who doesn't understand the naming schemes at all would think new series are going to be named GTX 1180...

Please share your wisdom. For over a decade it has gone up by 100: 200 series, 300 series ( yes there actually was, just not retail), 400 series, 500 series, 600 series, 700 series, 900 series ( which was an intentional skipping of 100), and the 10-hundred series.

So what in there would tell anyone that it was “obviously” going to be a 20-hundred series?

 

[qubit]

@rtwjunkie I remember when rejzor listed out the numbering scheme for NVIDIA cards the other day to me, I realised that there was an ambiguity in the numbering scheme which means it could have gone either way and it took one more entry to resolve it - this latest one. If I can find his post/my reply I'll show it to you and you can see what you think.

 

[ppn]

the important thing is will they skip 30 series direclty to 40-. 20- series is dead to me. 12nm is old, high TDP and low clocks is a big no-no for me.

 

[RejZoR]

Please share your wisdom. For over a decade it has gone up by 100: 200 series, 300 series ( yes there actually was, just not retail), 400 series, 500 series, 600 series, 700 series, 900 series ( which was an intentional skipping of 100), and the 10-hundred series.

So what in there would tell anyone that it was “obviously” going to be a 20-hundred series?

Of course it was increasing in 100 increments when you only had 3 digits. You're not going to continue that with 4 digits because then you're not making new series, you're making subseries for the old one. Just like 8GB VRAM is always more than 4GB in eyes of average consumer, the same is with version numbers or product numbers. Increase the first number by 1 and people will consider it as brand new product. Like RX 480 to RX 580 instead of RX 480 to RX 490). It doesn't matter what you know about it, it matters what number tells you. And bigger is always better. GTX 1180 would just be a version of Pascal. GTX 2080 would be considered as something new. Jesus, it's not rocket science, one would think everyone here, especially "veterans" would understand it. It's the same principle as with software version numbers. X.Y.Z. X=major version, Y=minor version, Z=build version. When you're making drastic changes you're always changing major versions to tell people you've done something significant. And that's always the first digit. Google f**ked certain things up with silly major sequential numbers for their software like Chrome, in which case people stopped caring what version it is because it's meaningless. That doesn't apply to graphic cards as every major release has to be significant and distinct from anything from before. You don't want to confuse people into thinking they are buying an old version product. Hence, the first digit always has to change and it's why they NEVER go into double digits, instead they always change the naming scheme before that happens. It's been this way for 20 years...

 

[rtwjunkie]

You're not going to continue that with 4 digits because then you're not making new series, you're making subseries for the old one.

Daf$%#? Sub series of the previous one? Since when are 11, 12, 13, etc subseries of ten? Smh. Because that is what you are saying. No, they increase by 100 just like the previous ones.

Just admit you made a lucky guess instead of trying to create some kind of logic for them doing it, because there is none. They made an arbitrary decision to change.

And.... in case you weren’t paying attention, they already DID do double digits.

 

[RejZoR]

"Lucky guess"? Erm, no. Even if they call it Series 10, that's by no means evident from the GTX 1080 and to an average consumer (stop treating average consumers like they understand anything), it tells them nothing. Your series numbers would make sense if it was GTX10 200/400/600/800. And next generation would be GTX11 200/400/600/800. And GTX12 200/400/600/800. Notice the spacing? People would quickly learn that pattern. But you don't have that. You have GTX 1080. Single number, 4 digits. Going with GTX 1180 would be going against 20 years of version numbers that average consumers are used to. And you just can't afford that. It's literally why AMD named RX 580 as RX 580 instead of RX 490. They wanted to make it absolutely clear to AVERAGE consumer that's a new card. Even if in reality isn't really. But that's what AVERAGE consumer thinks, not you who hangs on TPU and reads every latest in-depth review of a graphic card.

 

[the54thvoid]

@RejZoR, @rtwjunkie - I can explain it better.

I actually (and I can't believe I'm saying this!) can see what Rej is saying. Put on some Jason Nevins V Run DMC; It goes a little something like this...

In semantics, it still makes no sense but in phonetics, it 'feels' better:

GTX 7xx = 700 series - 'seven hundred' series
GTX 9xx = 900 series - 'nine hundred' series
GTX 1xxx = 1000 series - 'one thousand' series
GTX 11xx = 1100 series - 'one thousand one hundred' series

And that is the disconnect. It places the 100 of 1100 as a subset of one thousand. It's also a mouthful. So, instead,

GTX 2xxx = 2000 series - 'two thousand' series

Admittedly it sounds better although, in pure logic, it makes zero sense unless you look at the mouthfeel of the word. In other words, what does Joe Smoke prefer to say?

Obviously, broken down, 1100 would be the Eleven hundred series. And that is very much an English language disconnect. English speaker will readily say eleven hundred but for those whose second (or third) language is English, 'one thousand one hundred' is probably what they learn.

This sound right to all concerned?

 

[rtwjunkie]

This sound right to all concerned?

THAT actually does, using a term that when spoken can be distinguished in all languages, instead of looking at it as English like I was. Thank you.

 

[Fergutor]

Yes, it's a marketing move, in the form of a consideration for the limited idiot this time.
Which is why they are so hateable.
Anyway, I want one.

 

[MrGenius]

GTX 1xxx = 1000 series - 'one thousand' series
GTX 11xx = 1100 series - 'one thousand one hundred' series
GTX 2xxx = 2000 series - 'two thousand' series

Admittedly it sounds better although, in pure logic, it makes zero sense unless you look at the mouthfeel of the word. In other words, what does Joe Smoke prefer to say?

Obviously, broken down, 1100 would be the Eleven hundred series. And that is very much an English language disconnect. English speaker will readily say eleven hundred but for those whose second (or third) language is English, 'one thousand one hundred' is probably what they learn.

This sound right to all concerned?

No. It does not sound right at all. You're still making it too big of a mouthful. And not reflecting how people actually pronounce the name(s) of the product(s).

Joe Smoke prefers to say "I own a Gee Tee Ecks Ten Eighty, which I'm going to replace with an Are Tee Ecks Twenty Eighty Tee Eye".

GTX 10xx = 10 series - 'ten' series
GTX 11xx = 11 series - 'eleven' series
GTX 20xx = 20 series - 'twenty' series

Nvidia refers to the GTX 10xx series as the TEN series. Nvidia will refer to the GTX/RTX 20xx series as the TWENTY series. Because this reflects how the names of the products in those series are spoken/pronounced.

 

[RejZoR]

It's just because of how Americans say 1080 as ten eighty. Where in Europe, we mostly say thousand eighty.

 

[cucker tarlson]

No. It does not sound right at all. You're still making it too big of a mouthful. And not reflecting how people actually pronounce the name(s) of the product(s).

Joe Smoke prefers to say "I own a Gee Tee Ecks Ten Eighty, which I'm going to replace with an Are Tee Ecks Twenty Eighty Tee Eye".

GTX 10xx = 10 series - 'ten' series
GTX 11xx = 11 series - 'eleven' series
GTX 20xx = 20 series - 'twenty' series

Nvidia refers to the GTX 10xx series as the TEN series. Nvidia will refer to the GTX/RTX 20xx series as the TWENTY series. Because this reflects how the names of the products in those series are spoken/pronounced.

Exactly, there was never 1000 series, there was 10 series, there will be 20 series not 2000, rejzor juts got lucky with his guess even though he's completely wrong about his understanding of the naming scheme,it happens. Nvidia could've gone either way, it's up to them to choose. Lol @ how he's now prancing like thinks he outsmarted everyone.

It's just because of how Americans say 1080 as ten eighty. Where in Europe, we mostly say thousand eighty.

lol,you just keep doubling down

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just admit you got it right by accident

in PL they always said "dziesięć sześćdziesiąt" (10-60), not "tysiąc sześdzięsiąt" (1060), cause we know it's the ten series,unlike some people who ought to educate themselves

 

[Totally]

It's just because of how Americans say 1080 as ten eighty. Where in Europe, we mostly say thousand eighty.

I digress on the subject but I can effortlessly pull a dozen videos of European streamers saying 'GTX ten eighty' in a few minutes, and the better part of a day trying to find just one saying 'GTX thousand eighty.'
unless you are referring to the phrase spoken in non-English languages.

 

[RejZoR]

I love it when ppl say that I got "lucky" even though I've explained it twice by listing product names of last 20 years and the pattern used by basically every single manufacturer in existence. But sure, "i got lucky" XD

@Totally
I was talking about non-English languages describing GTX 1080. For example, in my language, there is no wording equivalent of "ten eighty" for 1080. The only version we have of 1080 is "thousand eighty" (tisoč osemdeset). We do say similar as "ten eighty" for 6600 where we say "six six-hundred" or two two-hundred" for 2200. It just sounds a lot more natural in my language "šest šesto" (6600) or "dva dvesto" (2200). I'm guessing some Germanic and Slavic languages may or do use similar number calling.

Streamers that speak English just say it that way because everyone does this way in English.

 

[MrGenius]

I agree with what @RejZoR is saying about the first number in the series needing to change to indicate a new series. It makes perfect sense to me. You'll find that's how it's done just about everywhere you look. How that's a lucky guess is beyond me. I call it logical conclusion.

I dunno. I guess you either get it, or you don't. I, for one, totally get it.

 

[cucker tarlson]

It would have to be this way,if they named it 1000 series. They named it 10 though, and jumped straight to 20 cause the jump seems bigger. No point in arguing over this, it is what it is.

 

[Dimi]

As if the name has anything to do with performance lol. Who on earth cares about what number it has??

 

[Prima.Vera]

Anyways, nobody really cares about the naming scheme.
Just release an *TX *070 card which is on the same or faster performance level than the current GTX 1080Ti and call it the day.
It seems more and more that the companies are focusing more on the naming schemes recently than on the actual performance of their products (Apple, Intel, AMD, nGreedia, Samsung, etc...)

 

[Fluffmeister]

(Apple, Intel, AMD, nGreedia, Samsung, etc...)

You've managed to sum up countless forums including TPU (some nut called enterprise24 posted a stupid rant earlier today which got quickly deleted), it's a strange point of view, especially considering the company you have put them in.

Vision and Envy.... I can see why they picked the name.