Rare GPUs / Unreleased GPUs

T4C Fantasy · Oct 18, 2018

DR4G00N said:
The 3850 is a good amount faster than the 4670. The 256-bit memory on the 3850 vs the 128-bit on the 4670 makes a big difference.

i guess it depends on the game

"The HD 4670 does AA better, without AA the HD 3850 does a little better."

everyone says they are pretty much equal i dont think the memory bandwidth between these 2 is as big as people think it is.

even though the spec is almost double, RV730 is more advanced than RV670

DR4G00N · Oct 18, 2018

T4C Fantasy said:
i guess it depends on the game

"The HD 4670 does AA better, without AA the HD 3850 does a little better."

Well, I was referring to benchmarking not so much games. I have no doubt that the 4670 is probably better for games since they actually care about vram amount whereas benches don't care too much.

MrGenius · Oct 18, 2018

It boils down to GPixel/s. Do the math. 3850 is almost twice as fast as 4670.

lexluthermiester · Oct 18, 2018

Just looked it up over at TechARP and the 3870 had an AGP version as well and was technically more capable than the 4670 as it has much higher ram bus width and speeds, higher GPU clock speed and a more balanced feature set. Still can't find any actual benchmarks to compare the two though.

T4C Fantasy · Oct 18, 2018

MrGenius said:
It boils down to GPixel/s. Do the math. 3850 is almost twice as fast as 4670.

No. XD they are equal in most cases in most real world scenarios that is

lexluthermiester said:
Just looked it up over at TechARP and the 3870 had an AGP version as well and was technically more capable than the 4670 as it has much higher ram bus width and speeds, higher GPU clock speed and a more balanced feature set. Still can't find any actual benchmarks to compare the two.

Ahh yes only shown at computex though, the 3870 was never released, but i must add to gpudb

agent_x007 · Oct 18, 2018

@DR4G00N @T4C Fantasy @lexluthermiester @MrGenius
3850 AGP vs. 4670 AGP vs. few others (in Polish text, but results are in graphs

) : LINK.

Frick · Oct 18, 2018

I love this graph. XD

E-Bear · Oct 18, 2018

Frick said:
I love this graph. XD

The HD4670 I posted has different clockings. 750/1746

agent_x007 · Oct 18, 2018

@E-Bear Assuming 100% VRAM bandwidth limitation on 1600MHz model, you will see a ~9,5% performance increase on 1750MHz.
Personally, I don't see how in actual game it could beat 3850.
Regardless, not sure if you saw page 2 (and QX9770 results)

lexluthermiester · Oct 18, 2018

T4C Fantasy said:
Ahh yes only shown at computex though, the 3870 was never released, but i must add to gpudb

No, both the AGP and PCIe versions were definitely released. I remember seeing them both for sale, though the AGP version was very rare indeed.

T4C Fantasy · Oct 18, 2018

lexluthermiester said:
No, both the AGP and PCIe versions were definitely released. I remember seeing them both for sale, though the AGP version was very rare indeed.

there is no evidence that i can find saying it was commercially released, there is more info on HD 2900 XTX then there is for the AGP 3870, i just doubt it heavily. theres more info on the 2950 too. I need more proof, the only proof is computex (that i can find that it actually existed in the first place)

lexluthermiester · Oct 18, 2018

T4C Fantasy said:
there is no evidence that i can find saying it was commercially released, there is more info on HD 2900 XTX then there is for the AGP 3870, i just doubt it heavily. theres more info on the 2950 too. I need more proof, the only proof is computex (that i can find that it actually existed in the first place)

Maybe you're right. Might have been the 3850 I saw. It has been almost 10 years. Then again, there are drivers for it on AMD's site and elsewhere;
https://www.solvusoft.com/sv/update/drivrutiner/grafikkort/ati/radeon-hd/3870-agp/model-numbers/
There's also this article where a user was needing the Linux drivers for said card, suggesting there was a release, even if just limited;
https://www.linuxquestions.org/ques...install-ati-radeon-hd3870-agp-drivers-895755/
Most of the info I'm finding comes from European sites, mostly German, so maybe it was limited to that region?

T4C Fantasy · Oct 18, 2018

lexluthermiester said:
Maybe you're right. Might have been the 3850 I saw. It has been almost 10 years. Then again, there are drivers for it on AMD's site and elsewhere;
https://www.solvusoft.com/sv/update/drivrutiner/grafikkort/ati/radeon-hd/3870-agp/model-numbers/
There's also this article where a user was needing the Linux drivers for said card, suggesting there was a release, even if just limited;
https://www.linuxquestions.org/ques...install-ati-radeon-hd3870-agp-drivers-895755/
Most of the info I'm finding comes from European sites, mostly German, so maybe it was limited to that region?

that one guy interests me the Oz guy, that driver site seems to be fake, the driver being updated 10 days ago.

maybe Oz has a eng sample. but it interests me.

but also ive been working with drivers for 5 years now for the gpudb ATI and AMD always have never released cards in there. so i wouldnt be surprised to see that. 2900 XTX uses the same ID as XT and 2950 Pro uses same ID as 3850 as the 3850 and 3870 are just rebranded with more finalized specs.

lexluthermiester · Oct 18, 2018

T4C Fantasy said:
maybe Oz has a eng sample. but it interests me.

Hadn't thought about that. And one would think that the drivers that support the 3850 would also support the 3870. Still technical data for it exists. I'm wondering if maybe it got a release and was then pulled for some reason?

Face2Face · Oct 18, 2018

T4C Fantasy said:
i need more pics and info on this 2900 XTX, afaik none are Mac editions they all have the same bracket except some have no handle.

use in gpu-Z, validate and upload bios

Take a look at the PCI bracket. No S-Video and color of the bracket is the same as all MAC based Radeon. I get the card today, and I plan on seeing if it works tonight. I'll make sure to keep you all updated.

T4C Fantasy · Oct 18, 2018

Face2Face said:
Take a look at the PCI bracket. No S-Video and color of the bracket is the same as all MAC based Radeon. I get the card today, and I plan on seeing if it works tonight. I'll make sure to keep you all updated.

nice do you have an HD cam that can take the frontals the gpudb uses? and do you plan on taking off the cooler? if so can you clean off the die and take an HD pic of it?

but first a gpuz screenshot

Face2Face · Oct 18, 2018

T4C Fantasy said:
nice do you have an HD cam that can take the frontals the gpudb uses? and do you plan on taking off the cooler? if so can you clean off the die and take an HD pic of it?

but first a gpuz screenshot

Oh yeah, I plan on taking the card completely apart. I can take high quality pictures of the card and die. If the card works in a windows environment (Windows XP) I plan to do a lot of testing with it and compare. I own a 2900 XT Engineering Sample and a 2900 XT 1GB GDDR4 as well.

Upgrayedd · Oct 18, 2018

No BFG cards?

lexluthermiester · Oct 18, 2018

Face2Face said:
Take a look at the PCI bracket. No S-Video and color of the bracket is the same as all MAC based Radeon. I get the card today, and I plan on seeing if it works tonight. I'll make sure to keep you all updated.

That does look very Mac-like.

E-Bear · Oct 19, 2018

Upgrayedd said:
No BFG cards?

I bought something from them long time ago I think it was a 9800GS. Didn't last long and they went bankruptcy

T4C Fantasy · Oct 19, 2018

lexluthermiester said:
Hadn't thought about that. And one would think that the drivers that support the 3850 would also support the 3870. Still technical data for it exists. I'm wondering if maybe it got a release and was then pulled for some reason?

enough of this childs play though, what is the fastest PCI!!! gpu!! oooooooo

my Dell Dimension 3000 has a Radeon HD 4350 PCI xD and im curious if anything is faster this was back in 2008 i believe

DR4G00N · Oct 19, 2018

T4C Fantasy said:
enough of this childs play though, what is the fastest PCI!!! gpu!! oooooooo

my Dell Dimension 3000 has a Radeon HD 4350 PCI xD and im curious if anything is faster this was back in 2008 i believe

IIRC the GT 430 PCI is the fastest pci gpu, though it's pci so it still kinda sucks.

I tried running 3dmark firestrike on it once and it was not so good with that. :roll:

3dmark11 "ran" though.

E-Bear · Oct 19, 2018

T4C Fantasy said:
enough of this childs play though, what is the fastest PCI!!! gpu!! oooooooo

my Dell Dimension 3000 has a Radeon HD 4350 PCI xD and im curious if anything is faster this was back in 2008 i believe

What about the FX5200 PCI?

Fouquin · Oct 19, 2018

E-Bear said:
What about the FX5200 PCI?

Significantly slower. That card is a 2003 design.

E-Bear · Oct 19, 2018

Fouquin said:
Significantly slower. That card is a 2003 design.

I still dont get why gpu compagnies give lower numerical number to newer card. Shouldnt it follow like version numbers?

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Rare GPUs / Unreleased GPUs

T4C Fantasy

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DR4G00N

MrGenius

lexluthermiester

T4C Fantasy

CPU & GPU DB Maintainer

agent_x007

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop

E-Bear

agent_x007

lexluthermiester

T4C Fantasy

CPU & GPU DB Maintainer

lexluthermiester

T4C Fantasy

CPU & GPU DB Maintainer

lexluthermiester

Face2Face

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E-Bear

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