NVIDIA Rushes in GTX 1060 with GDDR5X to Counter AMD Radeon RX 590 Threat

[rtwjunkie]

The gtx 460 was a bit funky v1 was 336 cores and 256 bit the v2 was 336 cores and 192 bit and the SE was 288 cores and 256 bit plus the 768mb model that was 336 cores and 192 bit lol.

Yep that one!

 

[ShurikN]

It would require a new die with a different memory controller. Unlikely Nvidia would bother with that.

Or they could use a severly cut down GP104 . That's not as crazy as it sounds , that is after all nothing more than a mid-range GPU size wise.

But what's the point if 2060 is around the corner.
OR
Does this show that there wont be any mid/low tier Turings for the foreseeable future.

Another thing that caught my attention is the "590 counter"
Because if look at regular 1060 and 580, they mostly trade blows depending of the game.
The 590 should be 10% faster at stock if you take those recent leaks into account, so a regular 1060 with a bit of a mem bump will not really counter it.
So it's either not a GP106 or they have a lot of extra inventory from the crypto crash that was returned to them a couple of months ago, and they wanna get rid of it fast.

Food for thought I guess.

 

[T4C Fantasy]

But what's the point if 2060 is around the corner.
OR
Does this show that there wont be any mid/low tier Turings for the foreseeable future.

Another thing that caught my attention is the "590 counter"
Because if look at regular 1060 and 580, they mostly trade blows depending of the game.
The 590 should be 10% faster at stock if you take those recent leaks into account, so a regular 1060 with a bit of a mem bump will not really counter it.
So it's either not a GP106 or they have a lot of extra inventory from the crypto crash that was returned to them a couple of months ago, and they wanna get rid of it fast.

Food for thought I guess.

there is literally already many many in the thousands of GP104 1060s people dont know they have, it was released secretely

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details/3zs4w

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details/a7pvz

 

[ppn]

Now only if this is 1060 Ti with 1920 Cuda 192 bit bus D5X.

Gimping more than 1/2 GP104 at 1152 CUDA. Why do that and not release a 660Ti same Cuda count as 670.

 

[WikiFM]

They should increase core counts (if on GP104). If what they want is get rid of GP106 then increase core clocks, 1060 has a lot of OC potential. Let's say a lot of factory OC, plus maybe again 9 Gbps memory. And it should be called 1060 Ti to make a name difference finally, or 2050/Ti if a equivalent die is not coming in the next 8 months.

Anyway I agree with most of you, regarding increasing memory bandwidth, since 580 and 590 will be just core clocks increases, but memory bandwidth stays the same.

 

[Vayra86]

AMD: here's a refresh of a refresh! Its faster and even on a smaller node, some optimizations, its great!

Nvidia: here's a two year old card with some new memory, now pls go sit in your corner TY

 

[ppn]

RX590 It is not on a smaller node, same 14, less likely 12nm and glo fo doesn't use 7,5T libraries. 12nm zen is 9T, same as 14nm.

 

[windwhirl]

the rumor is this is a 1060 6 GB with GP104 on a 1080 PCB

here is the entire stack of cards
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AMD: here's a refresh of a refresh! Its faster and even on a smaller node, some optimizations, its great!

Nvidia: here's a two year old card with some new memory, now pls go sit in your corner TY

The rebranding & re-spec'ing game, unlimited edition...

Honestly, Nvidia's move seems excessive. Why make a new card when they could just lower the prices? Does this have anything to do with the 300k cards they had in storage or something?

 

[Vayra86]

RX590 It is not on a smaller node, same 14, less likely 12nm and glo fo doesn't use 7,5T libraries. 12nm zen is 9T, same as 14nm.

Oh? I thought Polaris would go smaller?

 

[dirtyferret]

just get an etch a sketch

 

[Vya Domus]

AMD: here's a refresh of a refresh! Its faster and even on a smaller node, some optimizations, its great!

Nvidia: here's a two year old card with some new memory, now pls go sit in your corner TY

Arguably, the same GPU on a newer node is somewhat more interesting than the latter.

 

[Valantar]

NVIDIA has a clear chance to rebrand such card. Probably not RTX\GTX 2060, but possibly a 2050 Ti moniker.
I also wouldn't be surprised if this product will end up with a 299$ price tag

Ugh. 2 years later, launching a barely refreshed product for noticeably more than MSRP of the original? I might be naive, but that seems too low even for 2018-era "Hey buy our new $1200 GPUs! They're a bit faster than our two-year-old $700 GPUs!" Nvidia.

Still, this whole thing sounds weird. Just the concept of Nvidia GP104 dice more than 50% disabled (rather than launch a rebrand and sell the same hardware for more money) is baffling to me. Wouldn't they ultimately make more money by launching a refresh/rebrand (or just cutting MSRPs), giving 1070 performance at 1060 prices, and so on? There can't possibly be that many GP104 dice with that many defects. Not at this point.

 

[Fluffmeister]

And to think, AMD have made more effort (apparently) going from the 580 to the 590, than they did going from the 480 to the 580.

 

[newtekie1]

Usually when you buy a card that has different amount of memory, you assume the GPU is the same.

Well that is your mistake for assuming. The fact is the cards are distinguishable.

MX150 has 2 variants (or was it the mx130 hmmm). One is the default (being advertised as such) and its, in name, indistinguishable slower brother, pushed into the market in silence. You wont know which one you are getting until you buy the laptop and run GPUZ, at which point it's too late.

It was the MX150, and the only difference was the max TDP. The lower TDP variant was only used in ulta-thin laptops, and IIRC it still thermal throttled, so it isn't like putting the higher TDP variant in the laptop would make a difference. The issue here is more with the designs of the laptops, not really nVidia.

As for AMD side of story, we have the 550 with different specs in the same name and I believe a 460. The new 580 for the Chinese market has it's core count in its name on the Chinese website.

Don't forget the RX 560. AMD released a different version with less shaders with no change in the name at all. The original RX 560 had 1024 shaders, then AMD released another version of the RX 560 with no name change at all, no way at all to distinguish between the versions that had 896 Shaders. No core count in the name, no added SE or whatever, just RX 560.

The gtx 460 was a bit funky v1 was 336 cores and 256 bit the v2 was 336 cores and 192 bit and the SE was 288 cores and 256 bit plus the 768mb model that was 336 cores and 192 bit lol.

Funky, yes, but still distinguishable. They added the V2 to the name, as well as an SE for the other version as well as the memory amount being part of the model name as well, distinguishing between the different versions.

 

[GoldenX]

Do we know anything about the 590?

 

[John Naylor]

Do people actually think that this design hasn't been sitting on the shelf for 3 years ? No one remembers the 780 Ti dropping a week later after the 290 / 290x dropped ?

 

[SOUTHPAWMIKE]

I really feel like Nvidia needs to change up it's naming convention when it comes to all of these cards with different configurations that are referred to by the same model signifier. For example, thinking about the controversy around different 1060s with differing amounts of VRAM, the 3GB version could be called the GTX1063, and the 6 GB version the GTX1066. Maybe there could be different "elements" stapled on (like how Ti is titanium on the periodic table of elements) with something like Au (gold) for GDDR5 and W (tungsten) for GDDR5X. Just spitballing.

 

[sergionography]

Lame, unless they sell it for 150-200usd
Meanwhile what they need is gp104 at 300usd. If rtx 2070 is about 500 for a 445mm die size, id expect they can afford to make a profit selling a 1080 equivalent for 300usd being that it's 314mm in size. Wishful thinking i know

 

[newtekie1]

I really feel like Nvidia needs to change up it's naming convention when it comes to all of these cards with different configurations that are referred to by the same model signifier. For example, thinking about the controversy around different 1060s with differing amounts of VRAM, the 3GB version could be called the GTX1063, and the 6 GB version the GTX1066. Maybe there could be different "elements" stapled on (like how Ti is titanium on the periodic table of elements) with something like Au (gold) for GDDR5 and W (tungsten) for GDDR5X. Just spitballing.

I really don't know why they wouldn't call the GDDR5X version the GTX1060 Ti. Other than the fact the GDDR5X isn't going to make much difference...

 

[GoldenX]

Unless they add a substantial core OC.

 

[Nkd]

Not sure bandwidth will help this card. Its too much cut down in other areas. Maybe its just a way for them to charge more for the same card. Afterall they are selling brand name anyways. Its easy to fool fanboys.

 

[hat]

I remember the old NV gtx 260 core 216 and they bragged that up all over the box. 1070 gained a "ti" model... Lol what a joke from the other side.

Take a step or two further back: remember the 9600GSO? One variant had 96 shaders, the other had 48 I believe...

 

[Nkd]

Unless they add a substantial core OC.

LOL it wont matter much. They already boost to the moon anyways. They will all run in to cap.

 

[cdawall]

there is literally already many many in the thousands of GP104 1060s people dont know they have, it was released secretely

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details/3zs4w

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details/a7pvz

It was announced that it was released and the PCB's I have seen are all double drilled for GP106/GP104. They do seem to be mostly chinese market that actually got the GP104 parts.

I would imagine when nvidia releases this card it will be a GP104 based model. Probably just to burn through the stock they have lol

Funky, yes, but still distinguishable. They added the V2 to the name, as well as an SE for the other version as well as the memory amount being part of the model name as well, distinguishing between the different versions.

I agree I never disagreed that NV seemed to label products for the most part. I am sure something has slipped through the cracks over the decades of their existence, but we are talking a slip and not an open flood gate of IDGAF that AMD seems to have and this coming from someone who still has a stack as tall of him of their cards.

 

[GoldenX]

Take a step or two further back: remember the 9600GSO? One variant had 96 shaders, the other had 48 I believe...

Better yet.
G92=8800GT - 8800GTS 512MB - 9600GSO - 9800GT - 9800GTX - 9800GTX+ - 9800GX2