AMD Radeon RX 590 Built on 12nm FinFET Process, Benchmarked in Final Fantasy XV

[Valantar]

Am I the only person who finds it weird that the graphs show the Vega 56 being faster than the Vega 64? Don't get me wrong, if this has Vega 56/64 performance then that's great but, the numbers look weird to me.

I've seen similar things before, but yes, it's weird. Then again, the FFXV benchmark is notoriously unreliable as a benchmark, and can't really be trusted.

I don’t really see a die shrink as a rebrand. Yes the name sucks, but that alone doesn’t dictate any level of suckage. If the FF benchmark is to be believed, this could put AMD atop the middle tier. That’s not a bad place to be, assuming there is anybody left to buy this as an upgrade.

Agree with that. It's a refresh, not a rebrand. Naming it 590 is misleading, but naming it 680 would be just as silly (should they then refresh the entire 500 series just for the sake of adding one card?). This is neither a full "product tier" step up nor a full generational improvement, so both are wrong. 580 [something] would be the best, but AMD seems to have abandoned GPU name suffixes since the Fury X and R9 390X (or, since the launch of the 'RX' line).

 

[Vya Domus]

assuming there is anybody left to buy this as an upgrade.

That's so not true, I don't know why everyone keeps saying that. The market for a video card in any price bracket never vanishes, there are likely as many people wanting to upgrade to a 250-300$ GPU as there were 2 years ago. Whether they can be compelled to buy one given the existing cheaper options is another matter, but the market is always there. AMD knows very well what they're doing by releasing this card.

Naming it 590 is misleading

At least it's a different god damn number. Better than the 5 variants of 1060s, or however many there are, I lost count.

 

[stimpy88]

Coming from Rebrand Technologies Group

Yeah, it's a good thing nVidia has never tried to pull this kind of shit! We would really give them what for if they did!

 

[Ravenlord]

What's the problem? They didn't released new line 6xx for this new revision with smaller node, like it was with previous liftings. They didn't deserved for that amount of sarcasm, because they did it fair for customers and released it under current gpu line.

 

[newtekie1]

That's so not true, I don't know why everyone keeps saying that. The market for a video card in any price bracket never vanishes, there are likely as many people wanting to upgrade to a 250-300$ GPU as there were 2 years ago. Whether they can be compelled to buy one given the existing cheaper options is another matter, but the market is always there. AMD knows very well what they're doing by releasing this card.

When new generations come out, sure, but we've had the same generation for like 2 years now. Anyone that wanted to upgrade to an RX likely already has.

At least it's a different god damn number. Better than the 5 variants of 1060s, or however many there are, I lost count.

And it is definitely better than the RX 560 fiasco, which is worse than anything nVidia ever did.

I've got no problem with the RX 590 name, I think it fits actually.

 

[rtwjunkie]

That's so not true, I don't know why everyone keeps saying that. The market for a video card in any price bracket never vanishes, there are likely as many people wanting to upgrade to a 250-300$ GPU as there were 2 years ago. Whether they can be compelled to buy one given the existing cheaper options is another matter, but the market is always there. AMD knows very well what they're doing by releasing this card.

I actually never made a statement, so it cannot be categorized as true or untrue. I made a supposition, questioning whether there are a lot of people left in this price segment to upgrade.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

That's so not true, I don't know why everyone keeps saying that. The market for a video card in any price bracket never vanishes, there are likely as many people wanting to upgrade to a 250-300$ GPU as there were 2 years ago. Whether they can be compelled to buy one given the existing cheaper options is another matter, but the market is always there. AMD knows very well what they're doing by releasing this card.

You seem to forget something here: the 480/580 have been out for over two years now.

A 590, slightly faster then a 580 for a slightly higher price, isnt going to attract anybody. The 480/580 have already saturated AMD's fans, the general market has long moved to nvidia because AMD didnt bother competing with nvidia for two generations in a row. The 590 wont offer anything to 580/480 owners. owners of first gen 7000 series cards may see a benefit, but they likely already moved onto a 480/580, vega, or nvidia chipset.

 

[rtwjunkie]

You seem to forget something here: the 480/580 have been out for over two years now.

A 590, slightly faster then a 580 for a slightly higher price, isnt going to attract anybody. The 480/580 have already saturated AMD's fans, the general market has long moved to nvidia because AMD didnt bother competing with nvidia for two generations in a row. The 590 wont offer anything to 580/480 owners. owners of first gen 7000 series cards may see a benefit, but they likely already moved onto a 480/580, vega, or nvidia chipset.

This is exactly why I questioned the way I did.

 

[Vya Domus]

but they likely already moved onto a 480/580, vega, or nvidia chipset.

How do you know that ? These sort of claims baffle me.

The 480/580 have already saturated AMD's fans

You're speaking about AMD fans and whatnot and by doing that you're ignoring how the real market works.

You all seriously believe literally everyone out there already bought a 480/580/1060 and no one else wants them ? May I also remind you how for a fairly big period of time , those cards were almost impossible to find or buy at sensible prices due to mining ? You all need to seriously rethink how this stuff works. If what you are saying is true then both AMD and Nvidia would register massive drops in GPU sales a few months after the launch of each new generation until the next one because everyone would have upgraded by then and no one would touch any card from that point on. Clearly that doesn't happen, these companies sell GPUs consistently throughout their lifespan, aimed at the same price bracket.

The point isn't that the 590 will definitely sell in droves but rather that all of them will keep selling until a true generational jump comes.

 

[Vayra86]

I don’t really see a die shrink as a rebrand. Yes the name sucks, but that alone doesn’t dictate any level of suckage. If the FF benchmark is to be believed, this could put AMD atop the middle tier. That’s not a bad place to be, assuming there is anybody left to buy this as an upgrade.

FFXV is about one of the least reliable benchmarks you can find in 2018. You can do six runs and get wildly different scores. You can add tweaks to impact scores. There is no checksum or any kind of control mechanism to verify results. Heck you can even fake the quality level.

Don't take anything out of it. You can see the RX590 jumping all over the place versus a 1060 6GB depending on res and quality. Its retarded. Realistically you can expect this card to land between the 1060 6G and the 1070 stock. I reckon about square in the middle.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

How do you know that ? These sort of claims baffle me.

Because the 480/580 have been out for over two years, at a low price point. They offered similar performance to the 290/290x, which were both available for 480 prices back in 2014, and let us not forget the 390/390x, where were available for as little as $200 brand new, that offer the same performance.

At this price/performance bracket, the 590 is offering the same thing AMD has been offering for FOUR YEARS now.

You're speaking about AMD fans and whatnot and by doing that you're ignoring how the real market works.

You all seriously believe literally everyone out there already bought a 480/580/1060 and no one else wants them ? May I also remind you how for a fairly big period of time , those cards were almost impossible to find or buy at sensible prices due to mining ? You all need to seriously rethink how this stuff works. If what you are saying is true then both AMD and Nvidia would register massive drops in GPU sales a few months after the launch of each new generation until the next one because everyone would have upgraded by then and no one would touch any card from that point on. Clearly that doesn't happen, these companies sell GPUs consistently throughout their lifespan, aimed at the same price bracket.

The point isn't that the 590 will definitely sell in droves but rather that all of them will keep selling until a true generational jump comes.

Hey, genius, where is your evidence that people couldnt get their hands on these cards? The 480/580 and 470/570 sold quite well against nvidia initially. AMD and nvidia doesnt see these drops "a few months after launch" because you cant saturate the market after 3 months. You CAN saturate the market over the course of several years, which is what AMD has done. The 590 is an interesting offer for gamers still using old 7800 or 7700 series cards. Go look at steam's hardware survey, that is a TINY number of users compared to 480/580 owners or, god forbid, pascal users.

You seem to think that mid range buyers never bought 480s or 580s. While mining did jack prices up, there were plenty available at launch prices for months beforehand, and the used market has been a good source of below MSRP 480s for some time now. The price bracket also hosted hawaii for some time, which offered 480 performance at 480 prices for many months after the first mining crash. You have had 480 level performance for 4 years in this segment, and for some reason you think there is this huge group of PC gamers that STILL havent upgraded, but will open their wallets up for a minor 580 revision because ???

News flash, the people in the $200-300 bracket do not upgrade for minor performance increases, they only buy for massive gains in the same bracket, like 7850-480 level. Those people have had ample time to grab cards, and if steam is anything to go by, many have already upgraded. The 590 will not appeal to them, it will appeal to remaining 7800-7700 series users, which make up a small minority of AMD users today.

 

[Vayra86]

Because the 480/580 have been out for over two years, at a low price point. They offered similar performance to the 290/290x, which were both available for 480 prices back in 2014, and let us not forget the 390/390x, where were available for as little as $200 brand new, that offer the same performance.

At this price/performance bracket, the 590 is offering the same thing AMD has been offering for FOUR YEARS now.



Hey, genius, where is your evidence that people couldnt get their hands on these cards? The 480/580 and 470/570 sold quite well against nvidia initially. AMD and nvidia doesnt see these drops "a few months after launch" because you cant saturate the market after 3 months. You CAN saturate the market over the course of several years, which is what AMD has done. The 590 is an interesting offer for gamers still using old 7800 or 7700 series cards. Go look at steam's hardware survey, that is a TINY number of users compared to 480/580 owners or, god forbid, pascal users.

You seem to think that mid range buyers never bought 480s or 580s. While mining did jack prices up, there were plenty available at launch prices for months beforehand, and the used market has been a good source of below MSRP 480s for some time now. The price bracket also hosted hawaii for some time, which offered 480 performance at 480 prices for many months after the first mining crash. You have had 480 level performance for 4 years in this segment, and for some reason you think there is this huge group of PC gamers that STILL havent upgraded, but will open their wallets up for a minor 580 revision because ???

News flash, the people in the $200-300 bracket do not upgrade for minor performance increases, they only buy for massive gains in the same bracket, like 7850-480 level. Those people have had ample time to grab cards, and if steam is anything to go by, many have already upgraded. The 590 will not appeal to them, it will appeal to remaining 7800-7700 series users, which make up a small minority of AMD users today.

Largely true but cards do last longer than 4 years and especially mid range buyers will not upgrade much earlier than that. I think saturated is overdoing it, but yes, its not like the world has changed here, essentially we're looking at a tiny optimization, not anything new, so if the price point is the same, it won't be making more waves than its predecessors.

On the other hand, even Nvidia is still serving their midrange with a 2 year old offering called the 1060, and are even still producing tweaked versions of it.

 

[Vya Domus]

AMD and nvidia doesnt see these drops "a few months after launch" because you cant saturate the market after 3 months. You CAN saturate the market over the course of several years, which is what AMD has done.

So to sum it up, it takes several years for the market to saturate. But let me guess, that tipping point happens right now with the release of the 590 ?

Oddly convenient. Funny, even though you essentially admitted people are in fact still buying video cards in the same segment even years after the initial release you still don't want to give up your baffling argument that somehow the 590 will be an exception.

 

[Turmania]

I'm not a fan on this rebranding and refreshing at least done 3 times in a row...but if you price it right against the competition around 250 USD. You can win some market share and that is what AMD really needs at the moment.AMD should really capitalise one advantage they have and that is the freesync monitors in 1440P and 1080P. Make people buy those hardwares and you have your consumers set on your products for very long time.

 

[eidairaman1]

The 580 is already faster than the 1060. But yeah, the 590 would need to hit well over 1700GHz to beat a 1070... and that's not happening.

We never know with us lol

I don’t really see a die shrink as a rebrand. Yes the name sucks, but that alone doesn’t dictate any level of suckage. If the FF benchmark is to be believed, this could put AMD atop the middle tier. That’s not a bad place to be, assuming there is anybody left to buy this as an upgrade.

There's plenty that don't want to pay the green tax or for a Vega.

Yeah, it's a good thing nVidia has never tried to pull this kind of shit! We would really give them what for if they did!

1060

What's the problem? They didn't released new line 6xx for this new revision with smaller node, like it was with previous liftings. They didn't deserved for that amount of sarcasm, because they did it fair for customers and released it under current gpu line.

There are idiot greenies here.

When new generations come out, sure, but we've had the same generation for like 2 years now. Anyone that wanted to upgrade to an RX likely already has.



And it is definitely better than the RX 560 fiasco, which is worse than anything nVidia ever did.

I've got no problem with the RX 590 name, I think it fits actually.

The ram dealings are meh

 

[B-Real]

re-rebrandeon

You say it when NV is releasing a 3rd type of GTX 1060 6GB in the same time interval. Ohh yes, I see now, you are one of those guys that were milked by NV for the 2080Ti. Made my day, greenguy.

Yeah, it's a good thing nVidia has never tried to pull this kind of shit! We would really give them what for if they did!

Sorry, but can't get if it's irony or not.

 

[efikkan]

Ok to shrink an existing arch by 2 nm yields, 10-15% performance increase due to clock speed and power draw being slightly less.

So no reconfiguring the arch. This takes confusion out of the cards unlike greens crippled versions.

People should know by now that TSMC 12/16 nm and Samsung/GloFo 12/14 nm are just iterations on the same nodes respectively.
It's comparable to Intel's 14/14+/14++ nm.

 

[Fx]

I don’t really see a die shrink as a rebrand. Yes the name sucks, but that alone doesn’t dictate any level of suckage. If the FF benchmark is to be believed, this could put AMD atop the middle tier. That’s not a bad place to be, assuming there is anybody left to buy this as an upgrade.

This was my initial thought and think the correct one. The reason being is that this will be a value/performance upgrade for many as well as the same value for people building that will be gaming at 1080p for awhile yet. It isn't a clear win across the board for 1440p, but that just means it has some umph in it to handle settings at high going forward.

 

[unikin]

It's time NVidia just rebrands its' GTX 1070 into GTX2060, sell it for 300 $ and it's game over for AMDs mid range cards until 7 nm comes into play. They won't do it though as they are too greedy.

 

[Casecutter]

So exactly about what was slowly dripped out. Now, if it's MSRP is $230 and nice Top-Self built going for $250-260 it checks a good many box's. The one thing I'm not sure/seeing here is if his will raise all 1440p performance, and that's what this card really needs. The RX 580 was more entry/good 1440p, although if this can give a more "medium" gaming for those looking to upgrade, and harness to the ability of 1440p FreeSync monitors as near term upgrade it's a boon.

That's how this card should be marketed with product appraisals of such set-ups, showing it can offer immersive and quality visuals. With the now profusion of panels that are $250-350, this would go after the vast market of 1080p gamers. My son just upgraded to a 2700X, but has been stuck at a 280X because he got behind the mining wagon. Now he's one wanting to move up to 1440p but doesn't like having to pay $350+ for a GPU that provides that.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Naming is wrong they should name it 580X.

Already exists; hence, 590. I'm just glad they didn't call it 680.

 

[Casecutter]

Here's my thought to pricing; I wouldn't think this being not a true "shrink" the finished chip should have the same connections placement (TAB process) to the PCB. The TDP and power section should not change that much so AIB's should be able to continue on with existing PCB's and coolers. While as to memory with GDDR5 going out of vogue, let's say they use "top-self" memory chips that can clock at or above 2100Mhz permitting a 8.4 GHz and higher effective, or say 5% improvement of through-put.

Face it AMD isn't paying more for chips on the 12nm FinFET (heck I'd might say less). AIB's can for all intents and purpose reuse exist PCB's. Figure top-self memory chips might add 15% to cost of the ram chips which 8Gb now-a-days is like $35-40 cost. If all that is factual the cost to manufacture is hardly impacted.

 

[unikin]

First mining craze now this. We're getting no to marginal improvements for the same price from AMD and NVidia (NVidia is even worse charging more for the same rasterization performance). 2017 was bad year for PC enthusiasts, 2018 arguably even worse, what will 2020 bring, new disappointment from AMD? We really need AMD to up their game, we're reliving Intel before Ryzen scenario.

 

[Tatty_Two]

The 580 is already faster than the 1060. But yeah, the 590 would need to hit well over 1700GHz to beat a 1070... and that's not happening.

Not enough in it to even make it noteworthy, in the Nitro+ review here with a heavily overclocked 580 versus a stock 1060 6GB the summary across all the main resolutions was between 3% (1080P) and 8% (4K), driver improvements could obviously open that gap a little however as I said, the 1060 was at stock.

 

[medi01]

it technically makes it faster than 1060

580 was faster than 1060 according to this very site.