Massive problems with RTX series cards artifacting and dying

[Salty_sandwich]

salty_sandwich do you even read ? stop making up excuses. you think you're funny ?

from what I gathered there's a whole batch of bad 2080ti cards.this is not every rtx card failing as you're wrongly saying, but if half or a third of 2080ti's do,it is a massive problem. we don't need a jester here.

OK, if it make you feel better sorry was only jesting and yes i think this thread is funny mainly because I think it over blown, but don't take it to hart.

It's the anti RTX dream thread, they want it to be sooo Massive...

at the end of the day it will be resolved like always but hey just my thoughts as it's not a big issue for Nvidia only those who want it to be.

quote :
"this is not every rtx card failing as you're wrongly saying. "

not saying, I was joking, try reading all my comments then maybe you can see im messing with this over blown issue, because this is Massive/joke/making more of an issue than it really is, after all the Title says Massive, so i played with the Massive part for a bit of fun.

dont take it personally.

 

[SoNic67]

ps.. i do see what i would call a lot of "entitlement" envy in this thread..

It's the anti RTX dream thread, they want it to be sooo Massive...

Hey, that's the basis of any socialist/communist system. Envy and greed. Get them "rich" guys down to our level! Give stuff to everyone based on their "needs", not based on their "performance"!


The other side of the human psychic is the pretension, smugness. Nobody needs that 2080Ti, 99% of the first buyers just bought it to show off, to boost their insecure egos, validate that they are "special" and "better than the rest of unwashed masses".
1% are university professors that get those paid by their students' tuition. True case, if you work for an University IT department you will be amazed how many high end cards are ordered.

 

[Salty_sandwich]

just having some fun with the Massive Issue, no big issue unless people make it one

Click bait as far as massive goes, Until this is confirmed by Nvidia It's a Massive Issue, still waiting, now will be interested to see if this truly is a Massive Problem .... or just over blown RTX hate bait Issue...

at the end of the day without the whole picture and a title stating "Massive problem" and loads of people sounding off hate since the first mentions of Nvidia RTX and price, this seem a bit like a pre-emtive strike at Nvidia.

And just to be clear the title states "Massive problem for RTX series cards"

so sorry for not being a robot and joking about it before there's a real factual report, that It is indeed a Massive Problem. but atm this just feels like hate bait more than factual, but i must not say that lol

 

[Zyll Goliat]

It is certainly some issues with this GPU´s,not sure yet how serious it is,time will tell....Here bellow some of popular youtubers talking about this subject

 

[kastriot]

Nvidia has spoken, "not a broad issue".

 

[Vya Domus]

Nvidia has spoken

Where ?

 

[Salty_sandwich]

It is certainly some issues with this GPU´s,not sure yet how serious it is,time will tell....Here bellow some of popular youtubers talking about this subject

Nvidia's Response

Nvidia, for its part, has treated these complaints like business as usual. The company told us that "it's not an increasing number of users" affected by this problem, saying "it's not broad." It added that "we are working with each user individually like we do always."

just pointing out...

 

[Vya Domus]

The more you buy, the bigger the chances you get one that works.

 

[Salty_sandwich]

The more you buy, the bigger the chances you get one that works.

lol

finally some sense of humor on the subject

 

[Vayra86]

Nvidia's Response

Nvidia, for its part, has treated these complaints like business as usual. The company told us that "it's not an increasing number of users" affected by this problem, saying "it's not broad." It added that "we are working with each user individually like we do always."

just pointing out...

Gosh, got any more open doors you want to kick down there? Of course Nvidia will say its business as usual. They have a new brand to market, it'd be really unwise to confirm there has been even a bad batch of it. It raises questions they don't want to answer. Facts remain: if there were sufficient good 2080ti's to go around, people would not be getting several duds in a row. There is simply no other explanation for that, even statistically. This is called Damage Control, look it up. This whole episode started with a delay on 2080ti deliveries. The supply chain is strained, demand is high, and its clear something went wrong. Is it huge? Who knows, either way, something is amiss.

You've now filled about a page of this topic of which the title apparently displeases you 'because its a pre emptive strike'. And your contribution to prove otherwise? Zero. You haven't brought anything in terms of new info, an interesting point of view, a source; all you've added is opinion about other posts in the topic, and the topic itself. If you have a mirror, use it to reflect a bit on that, perhaps.

 

[EarthDog]

And what has anyone else shown? A few forum threads that make this a "massive" problem? This DOES happen. You can google about any card with blue screen or artifacts and dieing and have hits come up everywhere on every card out there. Is it more than what many would consider normal? Who knows. And, RMA the thing, get new, all should be better (yes, I read from one of those links someone got another bad one).

Keep your pants on people... time will tell. But neither 'side' has done anything to prove anything. If one side wants to hang their hats on forum threads, so be it. It just happens to be a leap of faith I can't make at this time.

I really don't miss this place, LOL!

....but if half or a third of 2080ti's do,it is a massive problem. we don't need a jester here.

LOL, I would bet my LIFE that it isn't REMOTELY CLOSE to 1/3 or half. If so, THAT is when you would have a "MASSIVE" issue and a lot more than a few forum threads trying to support it. If this is really an issue, I would bet no more than a few % were bad... which seems like a high number, until you look at DOA/return rates on video cards and note that a couple/few % seems to be about an average for DOA GPUs (at the hardware.fr site with the numbers).

The joke is actually the assertion in the OP/Title of this being a "massive" problem.

 

[Vayra86]

And what has anyone else shown? A few forum threads that make this a "massive" problem? This DOES happen. You can google about any card with blue screen or artifacts and dieing and have hits come up everywhere on every card out there. Is it more than what many would consider normal? Who knows. And, RMA the thing, get new, all should be better (yes, I read from one of those links someone got another bad one).

Keep your pants on people... time will tell. But neither 'side' has done anything to prove anything. If one side wants to hang their hats on forum threads, so be it. It just happens to be a leap of faith I can't make at this time.

I really don't miss this place, LOL!

Pants are doing fine, I don't see the big problem at all in saying its 'buyer beware' at this point in time. That is all, and I reckon that is the intent of this topic and of @cucker tarlson as well. Its not like we've had these topics pop up in a broad range of places with Pascal releases - except when it came to the Pascal wide BIOS update for (coincidentally) Micron memory. Even the EVGA FTW's didn't reach the current exposure, in fact until I reported about it on TPU after sending one back, nobody even noticed over here. But it was a real issue and it was reason to avoid the FTW's.

If you don't miss this place and feel the need to repeat that every other post, why keep coming back? Its getting a bit weird.

We now have six pages of 'giggles' about a word in the topic title. Like, srsly? Get over it.

 

[Salty_sandwich]

Gosh, got any more open doors you want to kick down there? Of course Nvidia will say its business as usual. They have a new brand to market, it'd be really unwise to confirm there has been even a bad batch of it. It raises questions they don't want to answer. Facts remain: if there were sufficient good 2080ti's to go around, people would not be getting several duds in a row. There is simply no other explanation for that, even statistically. This is called Damage Control, look it up. This whole episode started with a delay on 2080ti deliveries. The supply chain is strained, demand is high, and its clear something went wrong. Is it huge? Who knows, either way, something is amiss.

You've now filled about a page of this topic of which the title apparently displeases you 'because its a pre emptive strike'. And your contribution to prove otherwise? Zero. You haven't brought anything in terms of new info, an interesting point of view, a source; all you've added is opinion about other posts in the topic, and the topic itself. If you have a mirror, use it to reflect a bit on that, perhaps.

LOL

just point out it's forum, not my fault you taken things to hart

And what has anyone else shown? A few forum threads that make this a "massive" problem? This DOES happen. You can google about any card with blue screen or artifacts and dieing and have hits come up everywhere on every card out there. Is it more than what many would consider normal? Who knows. And, RMA the thing, get new, all should be better (yes, I read from one of those links someone got another bad one).

Keep your pants on people... time will tell. But neither 'side' has done anything to prove anything. If one side wants to hang their hats on forum threads, so be it. It just happens to be a leap of faith I can't make at this time.

I really don't miss this place, LOL!

LOL, I would bet my LIFE that it isn't REMOTELY CLOSE to 1/3 or half. If so, THAT is when you would have a "MASSIVE" issue and a lot more than a few forum threads trying to support it. If this is really an issue, I would bet no more than a couple % were bad... which seems like a high number, until you look at DOA/return rates on video cards and note that a couple % seems to be about an average for DOA GPUs (at the hardware.fr site with the numbers).

The joke is actually the assertion in the OP/Title of this being a "massive" problem.

totally agree

 

[EarthDog]

If you don't miss this place and feel the need to repeat that every other post, why keep coming back? Its getting a bit weird.

Pretty sure you asked me about it and I answered, and this is my next (and only other) mention. Sorry if that makes you feel weird about it... but that isn't my problem considering your exaggerated count. Literally once on my own since Monday. Don't add fuel to that fire.

 

[Vya Domus]

THAT is when you would have a "MASSIVE" issue and a lot more than a few forum threads trying to support it. If this is really an issue, I would bet no more than a couple % were bad... which seems like a high number, until you look at DOA/return rates on video cards and note that a couple % seems to be about an average for DOA GPUs (at the hardware.fr site with the numbers).

These are not DOA, they develop problems soon after they are used.

Which begs the question, did Nvidia not knew about this ? I reckon they did there's no way this didn't crop up during testing. But they decided to ship these 1200$ video cards anyway.

Like you're saying, there's always a context however this time it's not a favorable one.

 

[Salty_sandwich]

The thing is atm everything is just speculation, so what i made a bit of fun out of the threads Massive part of the title, come on people, it's all in good fun, and clearly being blown up now.

stepping down as some seem to be getting overly offended over speculation and jest.

edit :
I dont know how many times i have pointed this out, these things happen, just like with microsofts Xbox scorpio release loads of them DOA and other failing later, seems everyone loves bad PR, it wasnt a Massive issue, it was sorted out, much like this will be , but some choose to ignor that.

 

[mouacyk]

Too casual of a response for a product tier that demands $1200, which used to cost $650.

 

[EarthDog]

These are not DOA, they develop problems soon after they are used.

Which begs the question, did Nvidia not knew about this ? I reckon they did there's no way this didn't crop up during testing. But they decided to ship these 1200$ video cards anyway.

Like you're saying, there's always a context however this time it's not a favorable one.

DOA, dead in a month, whatevs. The point was, typical failure rates for GPUs in the first year are already in the low-mid single percents (again from hardware.fr) depending on card and such.

How can you say they DID know about this? All cards are tested before they go out the door. Perhaps the testing period didn't show this 'massive' problem, or perhaps it didn't show up at all in their testing for whatever reason. Perhaps some failed but were in their allowable range of failures. Point is we all have no idea! But to hedge a bet that they knew with a complete lack of any information is disconcerting (and quite telling). I suppose they COULD have done that, but why? Why would they KNOWINGLY ship cards with a "MASSIVE" problem? That makes no sense at all. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch. They would be aiming at both feet with a large caliber weapon...smh.. no sense at all if the problem was THIS big they would do that...yikes. Just yikes.

There is always a context, but some just want to jump on the bandwagon and have no real idea where it going, only knowing it is disparaging for a company they have issues with already. It's a shame really.

 

[Vayra86]

DOA, dead in a month, whatevs. The point was, typical failure rates for GPUs in the first year are already in the low-mid single percents (again from hardware.fr) depending on card and such.

How can you say they DID know about this? All cards are tested before they go out the door. Perhaps the testing period didn't show this 'massive' problem, or perhaps it didn't show up at all in their testing for whatever reason. Perhaps some failed but were in their allowable range of failures. Point is we all have no idea! But to hedge a bet that they knew with a complete lack of any information is disconcerting (and quite telling). I suppose they COULD have done that, but why? Why would they KNOWINGLY ship cards with a "MASSIVE" problem? That makes no sense at all. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch. They would be aiming at both feet with a large caliber weapon...smh.. no sense at all if the problem was THIS big they would do that...yikes. Just yikes.

There is always a context, but some just want to jump on the bandwagon and have no real idea where it going, only knowing it is disparaging for a company they have issues with already. It's a shame really.

You say this. But then there are examples like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
It just about completely contradicts your entire text. They knew about it, and still shipped them. Heck, even after VW was caught, the rest of the car manufacturers simply continued the practice (new names are still popping up to this day) and actively lobbied for a soft landing. It is highly likely Nvidia took a gamble that could easily turn out in their favor, and given the delay we've seen already, its likely they knew but still wanted to ship. Who knows, every card that DOESN't fail of this batch or the ones that fail just beyond warranty, is money saved.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no bandwagon, there is this topic doing its job as a PSA and its title works wonders for exposure.

 

[trog100]

comments in this thread should be limited to those who have something useful to say or who have first hand experience of the product in question..

trog

 

[EarthDog]

NVIDIA /= Volkswagon. Sure it happens... but the real concern is why people jump to that side immediately without any information and then support it like they have the bible in their hands? All I am saying is we don't know... and others already have the torches lit and pitchforks aimed.

its title works wonders for exposure.

The title is horseshit at worst, exaggerated at best.

comments in this thread should be limited to those who have something useful to say or who have first hand experience of the product in question..

trog

Fine. I have 5 RTX cards, none are dead. Add that to the steaming pile of useless anecdotes, please.

 

[Vya Domus]

are tested before they go out the door. Perhaps the testing period didn't show this 'massive' problem, or perhaps it didn't show up at all in their testing for whatever reason. Perhaps some failed but were in their allowable range of failures.

No way in hell. These things are tested to death, even in scenarios you wouldn't even think about. They know within minuscule margins of error how many will fail and in what way.

 

[Vayra86]

NVIDIA /= Volkswagon. Sure it happens... but the real concern is why people jump to that side immediately without any information and then support it like they have the bible in their hands? All I am saying is we don't know... and others already have the torches lit and pitchforks aimed.

The title is horseshit at worst, exaggerated at best.


Fine. I have 5, none are dead. Add that to the steaming pile of useless anecdotes, please.

Its big/corporate business man, if you've worked in it you know this is how the game is played. Everything is a cost vs benefit analysis and risk is always downplayed unless its a game changer. We already know Nvidia isn't the most ethical company in the world and they have a lot of shareholders waiting for dividends.

In another topic you spoke of prudency. It is always prudent to assume the worst when it comes to money. Reason for doubt is enough to stay away, and I think this topic does the job fine at conveying that.

Either way, we're going in circles, I'm out.

 

[Salty_sandwich]

If Nvidia was unable to replace cards and unable to refund people for there Broken RTX cards then yes I would agree that would be a Massive problem but it's the context atm

on a more positive note (for some)

 

[EarthDog]

No way in hell. These things are tested to death, even in scenarios you wouldn't even think about. They know within minuscule margins of error how many will fail and in what way.

Assuming that is true, then they determined it was within their tolerances and shipped them. But again we are making a large leap of faith. You are alluding to the fact they knew about this "MASSIVE" problem and still shipped them. MASSIVE MASSIVE MASSIVE is the problem (Marsha Marsha Marsha!!! - Brady Bunch).

Its big/corporate business man, if you've worked in it you know this is how the game is played. Everything is a cost vs benefit analysis and risk is always downplayed unless its a game changer. We already know Nvidia isn't the most ethical company in the world and they have a lot of shareholders waiting for dividends.

In another topic you spoke of prudency. It is always prudent to assume the worst when it comes to money. Reason for doubt is enough to stay away, and I think this topic does the job fine at conveying that.

I've worked at AWS (and in other large Data Centers). I know what it is like.