AMD's Zen 2 Could be Revealed on November 6th, "Next Horizon" Event Scheduled

[cucker tarlson]

did she say high-end gaming ?

 

[HD64G]

Indeed. Desktop Ryzen CPUs with the 2nd Zen gen inside will probably come to the market mid 2019. AMD will need to have at least a year between Zen+ and Zen2. Product cycle cannot get smaller than that.

 

[Deleted member 158293]

AMD has so much pricing room, they could come out with a 7nm Zen2 Ryzen & Threadripper just priced higher than their current Zen+ Ryzen and still be less expensive than current intel products.

IMO if they can, they should do this to really then the competition heat up!

 

[MDDB]

If Zen 2 opens the way for generalized multichip solutions, as it's being speculated (8 zen 2 dies + controller hub for Epyc, for instance), would it make sense for Ryzen 3xxx series to also include several chips? For example a CPU + a controller hub that includes a iGPU? Would the IO be taken out of the zen dies totally, or just disabled for Epyc as it would reside in that controller hub?
EDIT: changed "dGPU" to "iGPU"

 

[xkm1948]

NAVI is still the old ass GCN. Not gonna be competitive in any possible way.

 

[MT66]

anyone see this AMD video? It flashes a message really quickly during the video, its in the beginning part.

 

[Space Lynx]

Guys guys guys, tone down your expectations. Only 7nm EPYC was projected by the end of the year. Ryzen 7 3rd gen won't be until, maybe, end of Q1 2019.

MEOW

NAVI is still the old ass GCN. Not gonna be competitive in any possible way.

you're just salty the 2080 ti Founders Edition at +200 core and +850 vram + power limit much higher than other brands, with high fan curve crushes your evga 2080 ti. that power limit tax bro Kappa

 

[Caqde]

And how does this differ from previous GCN iterations? Are you implying that Vega was not focused on gaming?

For the most part Yes? Look at the features of the Vega chip that were added there is a lot of things that are useless for regular consumer gaming use. Remember the first releases of Vega were for commercial use (Vega Frontier Edition and Radeon Instinct MI25). Radeon Instinct was launched 8 Months before Vega RX was available to consumers. So yes Vega was not a consumer focused graphics Architecture. Vega 20 diverges further into a commercial focused product. There is a reason that AMD cards are better at compute in most cases compared to comparable Nvidia cards.

The release dates from RX Vega and Radeon Pro WX cards is also a nice telling sign of this. Usually there is a good 5 or more month lag between consumer and commercial GPU releases but AMD only had a one month lag in the announcement of Vega based Radeon Pro cards the WX 9100 and SSG were announced in September 2017 one month after the August 2017 release of Vega. AMD very much pushed commercial sales and marketing of Vega over consumer.

For an example of those features. Vega introduced the ability to allow for secondary memory storage locations in the form of a HDD or SSD attached to the card. (Radeon SSG). This allows for rendering very large projects on the GPU. This is obviously not a gamer oriented feature. AMD had a test card based on Fiji for this type of card but it was to slow for commercial use Vega with it's ability to directly access the SSD allowed them to make a marketable product.

There were more server/commercial focused changes (like infinity fabric). But yeah even though Vega was a semi powerful gaming GPU it was not the sole purpose of that GPU. AMD wanted and needs a profitable GPU and thanks to Nvidia having so much of the market WE are not AMD's focus. Why sell a GPU for $500 at a minimal profit when you can sell that same chip for $2000 a piece not to mention those customers buy many cards at a time.

 

[WikiFM]

sweet, I tought it's gonna be feb/march next year. didn't expect it this year. a new zen 2 cpu for me this black friday ?

Ooooh, I can't wait to get a 3700X, my old 1800X has served me really well.

This Event will be for Zen 2 (EPYC Rome) not Ryzen 3000, and quite sure will be a paper launch with availability Q1 2019, as Vega 20. Ryzen 3000 is expected till Q2/summer.

 

[efikkan]

For the most part Yes? Look at the features of the Vega chip that were added there is a lot of things that are useless for regular consumer gaming use.

By that logic, all top chips from Nvidia are not made for gaming since they do feature some professional features in silicon.

The claim that Vega was never meant for gaming is 100% BS. Ahead of launch, every fan claimed it was going to be the greatest thing ever, but then suddenly came up with the excuse when realizing the performance, and saying that it's okay since it was "never meant for gaming anyway…".

Remember the first releases of Vega were for commercial use (Vega Frontier Edition and Radeon Instinct MI25). Radeon Instinct was launched 8 Months before Vega RX was available to consumers. So yes Vega was not a consumer focused graphics Architecture. Vega 20 diverges further into a commercial focused product. There is a reason that AMD cards are better at compute in most cases compared to comparable Nvidia cards.

Instinct MI6(Polaris based) and Instinct MI8(Fiji based) was launched in December 2016, Vega-based Instinct MI25 was launched June 2017, along with Vega Frontier Edition.
Vega 64 was supposed to be launched in early May 2017, but postponed to August due to supply issues.

The release dates from RX Vega and Radeon Pro WX cards is also a nice telling sign of this. Usually there is a good 5 or more month lag between consumer and commercial GPU releases but AMD only had a one month lag in the announcement of Vega based Radeon Pro cards the WX 9100 and SSG were announced in September 2017 one month after the August 2017 release of Vega. AMD very much pushed commercial sales and marketing of Vega over consumer.

Once again you get all the facts wrong; consumer Vega 64 was heavily delayed.

 

[XiGMAKiD]

My god

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EDIT: exactly. Thanks. But that still doesn't save you because Navi is targeting mainstream, mid range, look at the sentence below the yellow one.

Some roadmap btw, they don't even know what's coming after Navi. And we don't even know what Navi is going to remotely look like either. Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe AMD will be competing in high end anytime soon. So far nothing is concrete except for rebrands and refreshes.

Upvoted for the artisanal paint job

 

[medi01]

Remind me, those "billions" Huang mentioned were spent on Volta, how did they pay off?

One company had R&D budget to pursue half a dozen of hares, another one, starved to near death, was focusing its minuscule budget on CPU front; surprising they even have mid range offerings.

But no no, let's pretend we have no idea about, to put it softly, harsh financial situation AMD was (and still largely is) in: bad, baaaad AMD, how dare you not to have high end competitive card?!!

Oh, and one more thing, had it been AMD with problems that nVidia has with 2xxx series, there would be one major shitstorm about sooo poor quality control.

 

[Vya Domus]

AMD, how dare you not to have high end competitive card?!!

Agreed, high end GPU offerings in the consumer space would more likely hurt their business at this point in time. For one thing they simply do not have the mind share that would allow them to sell 700$+ GPUs and gain back a decent amount of market share within a reasonable amount of time in order for this effort to be worthwhile for them. I also bet they don't want small margins on their high end products anymore either. This market is a dead end for them currently, strangely enough I am glad they are not pursuing it.

I have said this many times over, the market is always self regulating and most people end up with the products they want (or rather what they think they want ). Currently this means 106 class GPUs from Nvidia for 500$. Enjoy, AMD can't/wont do anything to change that. I also laugh my ass off when I see people hoping Intel is going to come crashing in and save the day. These are desperate times indeed

 

[Turmania]

I want to be able to play 2k with around 100fps in a 144hz free sync monitor around max settings.so anything less then rtx 2070 performance with die shrinks gpu''s would be major disappointment.remember nvdia has not played their die shrink hand yet so have Intel. So both cpu and gput has to be a hit or gap will be wider.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

7nm should bring higher clocks, that's the limit to the architecture right now, can't wait to see them take back the multithread crown from the 9900k whilst showing them how's it's done with a lower price point.

 

[medi01]

I see people hoping Intel is going to come crashing in and save the day.

Really? Haven't seen them.
But I do find Intel entering the market exciting.

 

[Vayra86]

Agreed, high end GPU offerings in the consumer space would more likely hurt their business at this point in time. For one thing they simply do not have the mind share that would allow them to sell 700$+ GPUs and gain back a decent amount of market share within a reasonable amount of time in order for this effort to be worthwhile for them. I also bet they don't want small margins on their high end products anymore either. This market is a dead end for them currently, strangely enough I am glad they are not pursuing it.

I have said this many times over, the market is always self regulating and most people end up with the products they want (or rather what they think they want ). Currently this means 106 class GPUs from Nvidia for 500$. Enjoy, AMD can't/wont do anything to change that. I also laugh my ass off when I see people hoping Intel is going to come crashing in and save the day. These are desperate times indeed

I think you're right about this, except for the mind share. Mind share can grow explosively by just having a very strong product. The problem is that AMD hasn't had one even when they wére still competing in high end. The last truly good one was the 7970, after that it went downhill fast. And even the 7970 had its launch issues. Any newcomer can push a 1080ti equivalent to market right now and gain massive mindshare overnight.

 

[Vya Domus]

the problem is that AMD hasn't had one even when they wére still competing in high end.

That's somewhat contradictory. Saying they were competing in the high end means they did have in fact a comparable product. It is difficult to create a lot of mindshare and not even Nvidia has done it in one go, it took years to get to this point.

 

[Vayra86]

That's somewhat contradictory. Saying they were competing in the high end means they did have in fact a comparable product. It is difficult to create a lot of mindshare and not even Nvidia has done it in one go, it took years to get to this point.

Comparable and very strong, both abstract but definitely a difference there

I'd say Hawaii was comparable, Fury X was comparable, but Tahiti was 'strong'. It had great balance and it offered something the competition lacked with its 3GB VRAM and wide bus plus a lot of core grunt; it was really GCN in its sweet spot. Nvidia's 680 wasn't really enough to eclipse it, and it was the best they had until Kepler refresh (discounting the 1K$ Titan).

It is also the 7970 that created the fabled 'fine wine' argument because this GPU was released with meagre driver support but can still play ball today with much improved performance. If we talk about mindshare, that GPU on its own, along with the 7950 as a poor man's alternative, has done more for AMD than the past three refresh gens combined.

If there is one universal truth about mindshare it is that you cannot gain any of it with midrange or entry level GPUs. Proof: everything Intel has done on GPU, and everything AMD has done in the past few years. Its like a Dacia car, you know it drives alright and you know its cheap but you also know it won't break any records and that every opportunity to cut corners has been taken. Its the car you buy because you can't afford anything else. That is kind of where Polaris is at right now. In the meantime, Nvidia is selling BMW's even if they are just 1.1 city cars with a shitty engine ie. cut down GP104's with clocked down GDDR5X. And they can only call them a BMW because they've got that M5 model at the very top breaking records.

Sorry for the crappy car analogy, but I couldn't think of anything better

Nvidia mindshare kind of exploded when they released Titan. The card nobody in their right mind would buy, but when they cut it down into a poor man's version with the 780, we jumped on it, and they enabled themselves a new tier and price point for high end GPU. That is why today some people consider a 104 die 'mid range' when even Nvidia says its a high end segment SKU. Prior to Titan, both competitors tried similar tricks with dual GPU solutions like the 690 and 290X2.