Throttlestop overclocking Desktop PCs

[unclewebb]

I try and run TS and i get a bunch of dll issues

Try installing the Visual C++ Redistributable package.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4032938/update-for-visual-c-2013-redistributable-package

Last time I did a fresh Windows 10 install, these were already included.

 

[Retrorockit]

I have a single slot modded R9 Fury Nano that will fit in the Optiplex 380. I know there will be a BIOS conflict. Sometimes F1 will clear it, sometimes they just won't boot at all. It will probably need another PSU swap. I already have a few of those sitting around. It's a known bad idea. If it runs and I put it up on the benchmarks I wouldn't want anybody to take that as a confirmation that it's a good mod. The R9-285 in my E520 was that way. When I get the X5470 dialed in I probably won't be able to resist trying this.

 

[totalfreq]

Thanks for posting... I will be sure to run the user benchmark for my OptiPlex 380 systems. I have one with the 1333 FSB mod (thanks retrorocket) and another that is stock which should make for a good comparison.

So installed the package you recommended but no dice. I also manually moved over the dlls that were missing and i still get the error that mfc120u.dll & MSVCR120.dll was not found. I dont feel like editing the registry to add them as pointers at the moment so I'm going to pull a drive I have running in another T5500 and see if I can make it run on that temporarily.

For informational purposes I am running:
I am running Windows 10 64bit OEM - update 1803 - windows is up to date.

****** EDIT ******

Didnt work with new drive. Ive verified the DLLs are in system 32, updated the C++, and manually copied the DLLs from a working machine. Unfortunately I erased the working T5500 + throttlestop disk I had to use it as a scratch disk and reinstalled windows on a SSD.

I'm going to see if I can find an older version of the program, maybe there is a bug in the latest download file available.


****** UPDATE ******

Got it working I had to install both the x64 and x86 c++ packs.

 

[sepheronx]

You can adjust the voltage and fan speed by using different colored wires from any 4 pin Molex connector within your case.

If you need any help with overclocking just ask. The posts back on page 4 should guide you in the right direction. Overclocking the W3680 with ThrottleStop is about as easy an overclocking project as one will ever get. 4000 MHz should be stable and 4133 MHz will probably be living on the edge of stability.

All I want is 4ghz out of that thing. I am waiting on the 5pin dell connection to 4pin (got the splitters) so I can have fan control.

 

[totalfreq]

The W5590 ES are ???????? Unlocked maybe???????

Do I need to check or uncheck anything - I was able to raise the multiplier to 28T but only seeing 25 in the FID with normal frequencies when I stress test.

Any help is appreciated. I feel so close yet so far away. Its like the multiplier field is unlocked but its not accepting the value.

 

[unclewebb]

Do I need to check or uncheck anything

For the Set Multiplier feature to work correctly, SpeedStep needs to be checked.

If you change CPUs, you need to delete the ThrottleStop.INI config file before running ThrottleStop. Some people have ThrottleStop on a USB stick and move it around from one computer to the next. If you do this, you always have to remove the ThrottleStop.INI file. ThrottleStop will create a new config file as soon as it runs and doesn't find an old config file. That might explain why ThrottleStop is showing 28T. The default multiplier for a retail W5590 is 25 so with a fresh ThrottleStop.INI file, I think this setting should max out at 26T.

Try clicking on the TRL button. On an unlocked CPU, you will be able to adjust the turbo multipliers in there. Also try clicking on the TPL button. On an unlocked CPU you will be able to adjust the Turbo Power Limits. Unlocked power limits are just as important as an unlocked multiplier.

Edit - Your screenshot shows that you have half of your CPU disabled. By default, a W5590 will show 4 Cores - 8 Threads in CPU-Z. You either have 2 Cores - 4 Threads or 4 Cores - 4 Threads. Make sure the bios is set appropriately and if that is OK, in msconfig click on the Boot tab, Advanced options and make sure the Number of processors box is not checked. You will need to reboot if you change this setting so Windows can find all of your CPU.

 

[totalfreq]

Confirmed - W5590 - not unlocked - I copied over my working TS in an attempt to get it all working right, after ini reset I max out at 26T @ 3.458ghz

so add to the list :

W5590 ES - not unlocked only +1 T mode.

 

[unclewebb]

I tried a similar retail W5580 and it was also multiplier locked.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/throttlestop-overclocking-desktop-pcs.235975/post-3829491

The W5590 does have a 27 multiplier available when running single core loads. You need to have the C States enabled in the bios to access this though. Run a single thread of the TS Bench. With C States enabled, you should see a multiplier higher than 26 but Windows background tasks will prevent you from seeing the full 27. The less background tasks running, the closer you will get to 27. If TS is only showing 26.00, the C3 or C6 C states are not enabled.

 

[Retrorockit]

W5590 ES - not unlocked only +1 T mode.

Thanks for trying that. Unclewebb tried a W5580, and Susquehannock explored the unlocked CPUs on the T5500.
It looks like TS overclocking is confirmed on the X58 chipset Dell, and HP workstations with the W3570,W3580 4 core Nehalems, and the W3680,W3690 6 core Westmeres. Plus the LGA1366 i7X series. There's been some success reported on dual CPU SetFSB with the T7500 using an SATA card to eliminate OS freezes. That might be a way forward for some of these other platforms and CPUs.
It just occured to me that the W5590 ES hasn't been tried in the X58 T3500. TS OC isn't actually confirmed in the T5500 with any CPU. But I guess there wouldn't be any advantge to the 2QPI chip then.

 

[totalfreq]

It just occured to me that the W5590 ES hasn't been tried in the X58 T3500. TS OC isn't actually confirmed in the T5500 with any CPU. But I guess there wouldn't be any advantge to the 2QPI chip then.

Unfortunately I dont have a t3500 yet. Its next on the list but I just ordered an i7-8086k to break 5ghz so it may be a while until i have more funds.
I was planning to use TS with a dell 8930 and the 8086k, but I opted to go all out with a Maximus X and build from the ground up. Im not going for top speed, but 5ghz+ stable would be awesome and acheivable. Also unfortunate there is now a classified sr2 now $400 on ebay I would have bought if I wasnt broke...but maybe next year.

If your interested in the w5590/Q1QW ES to test with your t3500 let me know...but true little advantage to a 2qpi chip on t3500. I think ive been through all the 2qpi chips on the t5500/t7500 unless there is an unlocked e series???? I have some so maybe worth trying???

 

[Retrorockit]

There was a guy selling SR2 for $350 around here a while ago. Probably a stock trader from where he was located and the fact he had 10 of them. I didn't bite because of the need for a special size case, and monstrous PSU to run it. Buying the MB would have been a stretch at the time, but all the other parts to run it would have been impossible.
Something I wanted to try but couldn't get my hands on a T7400 was a reverse LGA771 swap. Electrically the adapter tape should convert an LGA775 to run on an LGA771 MB. I have a pair of QX9650. Whether the BIOS and Chipset would allow it was the question. Faking a QX9775 Skulltrail in a Dell workstation looked like fun. It didn't matter if it worked or not because the T7400 does support the 400fsb Xeons so a pinmod to 4GHz on the X5470 for 2 CPU 4Ghz was plan B. That's why I have 2 of those also. It's kind of strange that stock traders are buying up all the old T series Dells but dumping the much faster EVGA SR2. I guess they really do know something I don't.

 

[Retrorockit]

I found out something interesting about my Optiplex 380 Xeon adventure. I wanted to visit an infected website. So I unplugged my SSD and booted Linux on a DVD drive and my fan problem went away. So it's not the Dell BIOS freaking out over the Xeon it's Windows7! If I reboot and hit F! it goes away also. But restore form sleep the fan speeds up. Any ideas how to solve that?

 

[totalfreq]

I found out something interesting about my Optiplex 380 Xeon adventure. I wanted to visit an infected website. So I unplugged my SSD and booted Linux on a DVD drive and my fan problem went away. So it's not the Dell BIOS freaking out over the Xeon it's Windows7! If I reboot and hit F! it goes away also. But restore form sleep the fan speeds up. Any ideas how to solve that?

I used to support around 200+ Optiplex and actually dealt with this alot.

I assume you are talking case fans?

Soft Options:
Fan control should be a setting in the bios, but if you are using a hacked bios and dont have the option...maybe try a program like speedfan?

Hard Options:
You should check the temp sensor cable - in some Optiplex there are 2x - front and rear. When they go bad its 100% fanspeed like a jet engine taking off. Sometimes removing the sensor will fix the issue, other times removal defaults to 100% protection mode depending on the bios. If you want to replace the sensor its R434D.

 

[Retrorockit]

The Opti 380 is BTX so only one fan. The sensor is working fine. Normal fan speeds with overclock and prime95. If I start form a hard reset and hit F1 to get past the unsupported CPU message it's OK. But first start, or wake from sleep it goes to 100%. Since unplugging the SSD and then plugging it back in I've run a lot of BIOS and Windows error checking utilities. So I'm not really sure if it's exactly the same now in all situations. At the moment it's just fine. But that was after a few restarts.

 

[totalfreq]

I wont claim to know DCC as its pretty new to me but...

Look up dell command configure

It looks like this will bypass the post alerts (ie no need to f1)

--warningsanderrors contonwarnanderrors

Then disable sleep/hibernate...problem solved. I personally disable sleep/hibernate on every desktop I touch.

Its a mask I know but it should get you closer to what you are looking for.

 

[Retrorockit]

While I was torturing the Opti 380 I tried a couple of 8GB DDR3 1333 modules. They were ECC so it may not prove anything that they didn't work. But one of the mysteries of the Opti 380 is can the G41 chipset which supports 16GB RAM recognize it on 2 RAM slots?

 

[totalfreq]

While I was torturing the Opti 380 I tried a couple of 8GB DDR3 1333 modules. They were ECC so it may not prove anything that they didn't work. But one of the mysteries of the Opti 380 is can the G41 chipset which supports 16GB RAM recognize it on 2 RAM slots?

Interesting question - I think the G41 only supports 8GB though 2x4GB DDR3 or 4GB 2x2GB DDR2. It will run ECC though - just not registered or buffered.

I looked at the ram in mine last week and I think it was running PC3-12800 1066. I'm going back to my storage unit tomorrow so I'll take a closer look.

 

[Retrorockit]

8GB is twice the rated Opti 380 capacity so it's not a bad deal anyway. But 4 memory slot G41 MB have been reported to run 16GB. One reason I went from the GTX1050Ti 4GB to the 3GB GTX1060 was to reduce the amount of RAM texture caching by the GPU.
Unclewebb may be pleased to know that I've finally used Throttlestop for it's intended purpose. Since finding out my fan speed issue was in Windows, and SetFSB didn't produce much speed. I decided to try undervolting the X5470. Running Prime95 I got it down to 1.1125V. stable and 59*C @3.33GHz. Then using HWinfo64 fan speed controller I just set a manual fan speed of 1100 RPM which resulted in a very acceptable 62*C. for P95. So no Dell BIOS modding. I still need to FI on a reboot, but I can wake it up w/o the fan @100% and rebooting to stop it.

 

[deadlylover]

I picked up a couple of Dell T3600 systems with the E5-1620's for a price I couldn't refuse, especially for Australia where good deals aren't so plentiful.

Like a previous poster mentioned, I am able to increase the turbo multipliers but it has no effect after 37. Similarly, set multiplier works only for 36 and under. I cannot untick the 'lock' on the turbo boost power limit.

Let me know what you guys want me to try and I'm happy to help. I have attached a screenshot of TS and CPU-Z.

The VRM looks to be a 6 phase using the ISL6366 controller with IRFH5300 (100A) and IRFH8311 (25A) MOSFETs. I might shove a thermocouple on them to see how hot they get.

 

[Retrorockit]

Well firstly, Thank you for your timely and well thought out reply.
However, I have prior experience with Throttlestop and the T3500's with the W3680 and the i7 975x ES (both of which were able to alter multiplier successfully, thx!).
My issue comes from trying to increase multiplier for the e5-1650 and e5-1650 V2's (both of which are known unlocked xeons) on my newly acquired T3600's.
Throttlestop allows me to change the multiplier in the application, but the cpu does not actualize those settings. It just sits at stock multiplier according to CPU-Z. I'm a bit confused.
The e5-1650 is just a 3930K with ECC support, likewise the e5-1650 v2 being the 2011 socket 4930k. The T3500 is based on X58, the T3600 is based on X79, otherwise very similar (besides the GOLD rated proprietary power source in the T3600).
Has unclewebb just not had a chance to work out the kinks for the X79 based Dell T3600/T3610?
I truly appreciate any support you can offer!

Someone else started a project like that on page 20 but we haven't heard from him since. He does list some unlocked CPUs which Throttlestop needs to overclock. Some people have success and keep it to themselves. Some just give up. We were discussing something else and may be he thought we were ignoring him. None of us here have first hand experience overclocking that specific system. But we'll be glad to help and would welcome any report of progress, or problems so others can benefit.

I tweaked the Optimax 380 with SetFSB and Afterburner and got a 50% gaming score. They haven't published that run yet. Might not be enough improvement over the previous 48% score.

 

[unclewebb]

@deadlylover - Overclocking might be locked but here are a couple of things that you can try.

Open up the ThrottleStop.INI config file and add this line.

LockPowerLimits=1

Save this change and then try starting ThrottleStop. This trick has never been tried on older hardware so your computer might crash.

If ThrottleStop starts up, go into the Turbo Ratio Limits window and set all of those to 43 just like you have in the pic. Click on OK, go out to the main screen and make sure that the Set Multiplier and SpeedStep options are both checked. Try decreasing the Set Multiplier value a couple of notches and then try increasing it to the maximum. Open up the TS Bench test and run a 1 Thread test. While that test is running, take a screenshot of ThrottleStop and post a picture of that.

I have never done any hands on testing of Sandy Bridge or Xeon Sandy Bridge from this era. It would definitely be interesting if we could get overclocking working. A working 43 multi Xeon Sandy would give us X58 enthusiasts something to look forward to when the price is right.

 

[deadlylover]

@deadlylover - Overclocking might be locked but here are a couple of things that you can try.

I'm uncertain if adding the line did anything on this system, ThrottleStop didn't crash on start. I'm on Win 7 Pro at the moment, I may upgrade one of the other machines to Windows 10 to see if the behaviour is any different.

I've attached the single thread screenshot:



I've found something funny when I hit it with an 8 thread load, occasionally for a split second with 'more data' switched on, I see the FID change to 43 on one of the cores/threads. It was quite difficult getting this screenshot, and I think the update rates on CPU-Z and HWinfo64 was not quick enough to catch the 43 multiplier.

It feels like we do have "control", but there's something else that turns it back down to the max all core turbo of 37x. I hope this was helpful.

 

[unclewebb]

The E5-1620 uses the 38 multiplier when a single core is active. Your first screenshot shows an average multiplier of 37.73. This means that the 38 multiplier is being used about 75% of the time and the 37 multiplier is being used the other 25% of the time during this test. With less items running in the background, you might get a little closer to the 38 multiplier but that is about it.

The second screenshot that shows a 43.00 multiplier is just a glitch. Sometimes running other monitoring apps at the same time can interfere with getting 100% accurate results.

The E5-1620 is capable of overclocking but probably not on this board. You can also try using Intel XTU but you will probably end up with the same results.

 

[Retrorockit]

I wonder if reflash to an older BIOS, or microcode version might help. I've heard that some of the unlocked Xeons got patched back to normal. I haven't followed the "newer" platforms much but I think I recall something about this.

 

[deadlylover]

I will play around some more next weekend.

I installed the E5-1620 into a HP Z820 and it's the same result as the Dell T3600, ThrottleStop overclocking doesn't seem to work unfortunately. I wonder if there are any confirmed reports of it working on Sandy Bridge E.