Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[GoldenX]

How good is the biggest Wraith?

 

[Johan45]

The prism with the 2700X is plenty for stock and will give you a 4.1-2 ish all core OC

 

[Norton]

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[TheoneandonlyMrK]

To be fair that was proper random, and nothing to do with the thread afaik.

Is the guy doing ryzen calc still about i have a question.

Whats bottom bin samsung b-die about, is that what I think or the normal type?

I made this discovery in typhoon, it actually says that.

 

[HTC]

What are you trying to accomplish? More power savings? These CPUs don't use a lot of power as it is.
Yes P-States would be the way to go and then use a negative offset for voltage. Or just disable the core boost and adjust voltage with offsets

I was thinking along the lines of 200 MHz less from base clock but i forgot to mention i'd need to undervolt as well.

Dunno how to do this (underlined).

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I was thinking along the lines of 200 MHz less from base clock but i forgot to mention i'd need to undervolt as well.

Dunno how to do this (underlined).

So to start with you can set the cpu core voltage from auto to offset, it should open a plus minus select option and value tab ,set it as you would , leave the value on auto initially then start at 0.1v or less.
I personally would leave the clock and disable the auto PBO boost option , see how low you can take base clock out n volts.
Can't think why you would though I have mine OCD but can calm it to 2.2ghz solid via power save mode in Windows ten.

I know where p states are but can't recommend something i have not tried.

 

[btarunr]

Quick question. The idle clocks seldom go below 3.00 GHz, and never below 2.20 GHz. Is this normal? What's the resting idle clock for a 2700X? For my i7-4770K it was 0.8 GHz.

I've already tried adjusting minimum processor state to "5%" in Windows Power settings for the "Ryzen Balanced" profile.

God, you are a moderator bta, i thought you'd go full-blown liquid cooling with this rig! jk

Looks neat, congrats with new rig. Cheers.

P.S. That "i accidentally cut one of the 24-pin cable wires" story though, definitely nerve wrecking.

I'll stick to this Wraith through the winter. The cable is able to handle Linpack.

 

[GoldenX]

Quick question. The idle clocks seldom go below 3.00 GHz, and never below 2.20 GHz. Is this normal? What's the resting idle clock for a 2700X? For my i7-4770K it was 0.8 GHz.

I've already tried adjusting minimum processor state to "5%" in Windows Power settings for the "Ryzen Balanced" profile.



I'll stick to this Wraith through the winter. The cable is able to handle Linpack.

I have something near 1400 for idle, but only when using a 0% minimum on the power plan. Anyway, official word by AMD is that you can leave both limits at 100% and the CPU will idle regardless, the OS will inform full speed all the time. Apparently the CPU is much faster switching clocks when the OS doesn't interfere.

 

[Mussels]

looks like changing away from MSI was a mistake in my case then

 

[biffzinker]

Apparently the CPU is much faster switching clocks when the OS doesn't interfere.

I gave up on the balanced power profile with my past Ivy Bridge, Haswell CPU's and I still switch to the high performance profile on Ryzen.

@btarunr
I wouldn't be to concerned with your Ryzen idling at 3.0 GHz.

 

[btarunr]

looks like changing away from MSI was a mistake in my case then

I think over the past two generations, MSI has been on top of the CPU VRM game for both AMD and Intel platforms: Best components, sanest designs, best VRM heatsinks, good BIOS-based control, etc. ASUS is deteriorating (probably why elmor became unhappy), and Gigabyte is garbage. ASRock is as good as MSI, but needs to improve its BIOS.

 

[YautjaLord]

Quick one from me. With OBS running in a background (not recording anything, just running in a background ) R15 gave me 1653cb, without - 1853cb. Set affinity/priority in Task manager for this one? It's 200cb difference there.

@btarunr: What do you mean GB is garbage? I have GB mobo & graphics card, yes sometimes it (mobo) behaves quirky n shit, but overall i love basically everything from that firm/company, heck some techies @ YT actually used it in their reviews (i won't give the names tho ). Facts & numbers bta, pretty please.

 

[Johan45]

Quick question. The idle clocks seldom go below 3.00 GHz, and never below 2.20 GHz. Is this normal? What's the resting idle clock for a 2700X? For my i7-4770K it was 0.8 GHz.

I've already tried adjusting minimum processor state to "5%" in Windows Power settings for the "Ryzen Balanced" profile.

I'll stick to this Wraith through the winter. The cable is able to handle Linpack.

Just use Windows balanced, Ryzen is no longer necessary. Downvolting and clocking I have seen can change with BIOS version(AGESA) I'm on an older BIOS with 2600X/CHVI and it idles quite low clock and volts. Can't remember off hand the exact numbers but lower than 2200 for sure

I think over the past two generations, MSI has been on top of the CPU VRM game for both AMD and Intel platforms: Best components, sanest designs, best VRM heatsinks, good BIOS-based control, etc. ASUS is deteriorating (probably why elmor became unhappy), and Gigabyte is garbage. ASRock is as good as MSI, but needs to improve its BIOS.

I have to disagree with the last Gen AMD boards, the only reliable boards were the Sabertooth and CHVz, ASrock and MSI were burning up not literally but their VRM were an issue and Gigabyte was very hit and miss usaully just throttled really depended on which "revision" of the board you had.

Quick one from me. With OBS running in a background (not recording anything, just running in a background ) R15 gave me 1653cb, without - 1853cb. Set affinity/priority in Task manager for this one? It's 200cb difference there.

@btarunr: What do you mean GB is garbage? I have GB mobo & graphics card, yes sometimes it (mobo) behaves quirky n shit, but overall i love basically everything from that firm/company, heck some techies @ YT actually used it in their reviews (i won't give the names tho ). Facts & numbers bta, pretty please.

I haven't used ASrock this time around so can't comment but I would choose MSI or ASUS over Gigabyte, no offense, but their BIOS leaves room for improvement especially mem section. I'm really disappointed when they can't populate current timings in BIOS so you have an idea where to start

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Gigabyte is garbage

What? I'm sorry but that's rubbish, I've found my gigabyte boards take a dumb on my msi ones, not to mention the poor quality of the z170m mortar which vdrooped with a 6600k.

 

[Johan45]

What? I'm sorry but that's rubbish, I've found my gigabyte boards take a dumb on my msi ones, not to mention the poor quality of the z170m mortar which vdrooped with a 6600k.

My only Intel experience with Gigabyte to date was an X99 SOC Champion and honestly, it was the hardest board I ever used. Took them at least 6 months to iron out the BIOS so that I could actually use the 133 strap for my memory. And Again, I can't stand their BIOS setup

 

[btarunr]

Zen 2 will be big. Brand new front-end and 256-bit FPUs.

https://www.techpowerup.com/249281/...cture-and-radeon-instinct-mi60-at-new-horizon

 

[R0H1T]

Slightly glad that I waited for it, pcie 4.0 & better vector performance now only if DRAM prices weren't

 

[Johan45]

Zen 2 will be big. Brand new front-end and 256-bit FPUs.

https://www.techpowerup.com/249281/...cture-and-radeon-instinct-mi60-at-new-horizon

That's the kind of stuff I like to hear. Looks like a major overhaul from the original Zen core

 

[Deleted member 178884]

That's the kind of stuff I like to hear. Looks like a major overhaul from the original Zen core

Agreed! The more competition the better, especially with that 28 core stunt and the 9900k pricing joke.

 

[robot zombie]

To be fair that was proper random, and nothing to do with the thread afaik.

Is the guy doing ryzen calc still about i have a question.

Whats bottom bin samsung b-die about, is that what I think or the normal type?

I made this discovery in typhoon, it actually says that.

Hmm, it actually indicates? Ive always figured ive had the lesser... its a weird one... 3600 CL 17 where the good ones for that speed are usually flat 16 or even 15.

Mine is simply specified as Samsung b-die. I thought the only way to know upper/lower was by timings.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Hmm, it actually indicates? Ive always figured ive had the lesser... its a weird one... 3600 CL 17 where the good ones for that speed are usually flat 16 or even 15.

Mine is simply specified as Samsung b-die. I thought the only way to know upper/lower was by timings.

I am not too worried , I am at 3400 C15 it's just I had no luck at 3600 but I will try again after the 1.0.0.6 agesa update hits this crosshair hero 7, i should have gotten an asrock or gigabyte tut.
Plus I think I had start up memory voltage set low last time I tried because I settled on messing with 3400 for ages.

Also watching the rome preview, as Adored said 64 core 128 thread with 9 chips.

Means zen two is still 8 core.

 

[Johan45]

Hmm, it actually indicates? Ive always figured ive had the lesser... its a weird one... 3600 CL 17 where the good ones for that speed are usually flat 16 or even 15.

Mine is simply specified as Samsung b-die. I thought the only way to know upper/lower was by timings.

There is a different type of B-die out there and I'm not sure it could be confused with the "good" B-Die. https://www.overclockers.com/adata-xpg-spectrix-d40-ddr4-3000-review/

As you can see in the photo below, this is indeed Samsung “B” die with a part number of K4A8G085WB-BCRC. This a variant I haven’t seen or worked with in the past. The timings and speed aren’t the same as the fast “B” die, for lack of a better term, as well as the last four digits of the part code are slightly different as the “fast” RAM IC is labeled # K4A8G085WB-BCPB these are found in high-speed DDR4 RAM kits.

I am not too worried , I am at 3400 C15 it's just I had no luck at 3600 but I will try again after the 1.0.0.6 agesa update hits this crosshair hero 7, i should have gotten an asrock or gigabyte tut.
Plus I think I had start up memory voltage set low last time I tried because I settled on messing with 3400 for ages.

Also watching the rome preview, as Adored said 64 core 128 thread with 9 chips.

Means zen two is still 8 core.

3600 for Ryzen isn't easy to master, especially stable. For 24/7 I don't bother the gains are not worth the effort to me. I'm running at 3333

@btarunr

This is set on Windows balanced Idle and load it actually drops to 0.6 V but I guess I missed it. Added one more This is the first release BIOS for pinnacle dated 4/19 different board though I run CHVI

 

[_JP_]

Hello there.

Hi.

Quick question. The idle clocks seldom go below 3.00 GHz, and never below 2.20 GHz. Is this normal? What's the resting idle clock for a 2700X? For my i7-4770K it was 0.8 GHz.

I've already tried adjusting minimum processor state to "5%" in Windows Power settings for the "Ryzen Balanced" profile.

It has to do with thresholds the CPU has to hit in load (%) for the OS to order a power step above/below.
Depending on the power mode, these are more aggressive towards either low or higher clocks, the balanced profile maintaining it close to base clock for the usual load, spiking to turbos as needed.
This is set in the registry.

Now, since Bulldozer that the High Performance profile was the most efficient, voltage regulation is not handled by the OS, but keeping it away from parking (C6) meant that there was little delay in resource allocation. This being significant for games, mostly. Still, at the time, it was not efficient enough for the bulldozer modules, so that's why we got a Windows update.
The Ryzen power profile is nothing more than the "performance update for bulldozer" Microsoft released, again with custom adjustments by AMD, this time for...Ryzen. (of course the update had some other under the hood tweaks, but I think this was the most significant)
You can still customize it, if you really want to, but why bother...going by my meter, I'm idling at 150W full system, with the CPU clocks @ 2.5~2.7GHz. That's really good and it gets cold enough for the CPU fan to pretty much stop! (it's almost winter here, hence)

 

[YautjaLord]

@theoneandonlymrk: No GB Aorus RAM in Israel so far, not that i didn't search for it. How it compares to - say - Flare X? I think i gonna order these, not for all RGB stuff, but actually to compare to mine.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

@theoneandonlymrk: No GB Aorus RAM in Israel so far, not that i didn't search for it. How it compares to - say - Flare X? I think i gonna order these, not for all RGB stuff, but actually to compare to mine.

I would guess flare X would clock better, the Rgb on these does not play nice with my asus motherboard either and is stuck in rainbow cascade or something, I'm not bothered too much but worth mentioning.