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Woah, didn't intend to start an argument here.

I agree ESD is an issue people should be wary of and do the basics to protect against. Now because I work in IT I do have the Anti-static wrist bands, microfiber and brushes so tend to use them.
 
This makes me nervous. Shop vac's can and do build up static in the hose. It's too easy to touch something with the hose.
Fair point, it's a possibly, but I'd argue it's a rather small one. Other sources of forced air don't come without their own issues either, though...
 
1: A Philips head screw driver
2: A bottle of sugar soap
3: A large bucket of really hot water
4: My water blaster
5: cotton buds
6: Isopropyl Alcohol
7: A 1" paint brush (horse hair bristle)
 
Never had a issue with ESD with computer parts, how ever i always use care and try not to touch any chips but time to time i have done with any issue.

Now HiFi HDMI boards, that's totally different story, touched one once and messed it up, and this was just to put heat sinks on the chips.

In the end some thing's are way more sensitive than others, although never had a issue with PC part's and that's from some one who carry's a strong static charge more so this time of year, to the point i cannot pick tins up of shelf's in shops and heard my wife say WTF a fair few times.

Exercise common sense and all should be good, and if like me ALWAYS ground your self on the case before any thing as PC's are typically grounded.
 
From the article :
See you are doing it again - taking out of context only that what you want to see. Yes, that article talks about the ESD in manufacturing environments. But it also talks about other environments. But since you refuse to open your eyes and do some homework (any maybe provide a link to a reputable source to support your claims), I see no reason to discuss this with you further. But I would recommend you find any 7th grader who has taken a beginers electronics class and ask them if ESD is still a problem today. You might learn something.

Never had a issue with ESD with computer parts, how ever i always use care and try not to touch any chips

Exercise common sense and all should be good, and if like me ALWAYS ground your self on the case before any thing as PC's are typically grounded.
Which is probably why you have not had any issues.

but time to time i have done with any issue.
Assuming you meant to say "without" any issue, that is common. I never suggested touching a processor pin or RAM electrical contact "will" damage the device. If you don't have a build up of static in your body, no worries. If the air was humid, or you already discharged yourself on the case, for example, static would not be a problem.

Do you zap yourself EVERY TIME you walk across the floor and reach for a door knob (or the dog's nose)? Of course not.

Getting corrosive and dust magnet skin oils on the contacts could be a problem, but that's for a different discussion.

because I work in IT I do have the Anti-static wrist bands,
And if you do work around sensitive devices a lot, anti-static bands are a good idea. But it is important to inspect them regularly to make sure the grounding clip is in good repair. And it should be noted they can lose their effectiveness due to sweat, dead skin, and other contaminates over time. So many places use the disposable ones that some motherboard makers include in their boxes.

And by the way, you may have seen ads for "cordless" anti-static wrist bands. They are pure "voodoo magic" con. For a good laugh, see this.
 
See you are doing it again - taking out of context only that what you want to see. Yes, that article talks about the ESD in manufacturing environments. But it also talks about other environments. But since you refuse to open your eyes and do some homework (any maybe provide a link to a reputable source to support your claims), I see no reason to discuss this with you further. But I would recommend you find any 7th grader who has taken a beginers electronics class and ask them if ESD is still a problem today. You might learn something.

Which is probably why you have not had any issues.

Assuming you meant to say "without" any issue, that is common. I never suggested touching a processor pin or RAM electrical contact "will" damage the device. If you don't have a build up of static in your body, no worries. If the air was humid, or you already discharged yourself on the case, for example, static would not be a problem.

Do you zap yourself EVERY TIME you walk across the floor and reach for a door knob (or the dog's nose)? Of course not.


Getting corrosive and dust magnet skin oils on the contacts could be a problem, but that's for a different discussion.

And if you do work around sensitive devices a lot, anti-static bands are a good idea. But it is important to inspect them regularly to make sure the grounding clip is in good repair. And it should be noted they can lose their effectiveness due to sweat, dead skin, and other contaminates over time. So many places use the disposable ones that some motherboard makers include in their boxes.

And by the way, you may have seen ads for "cordless" anti-static wrist bands. They are pure "voodoo magic" con. For a good laugh, see this.

Well always zapping the wife actually :o) , well will once this heat start kicking in more often, kids here saying she don't like it either lmao.

Well should wash your hands anyways, but yeah oil can kill electronics, which kinda of subject but kills surrounds to speakers too.

Wristband always with HDMI or alike electronic (CD\DVD players same shit ).s never needed them with computer parts for over 30 years.
 
I use a shop vac with a small brush attachment. Works every time but my case also doesn’t build up a lot of dust
 
But I would recommend you find any 7th grader who has taken a beginers electronics class and ask them if ESD is still a problem today. You might learn something.

Sure thing buddy, sure thing.
 
never needed them with computer parts for over 30 years.
The problem is, because these devices are so sensitive, the destructive electro-static discharges can be so tiny we, as humans, don't see, feel, or hear the "spark" that kills them. So you really would not know if they were needed or not. If you have been working with computer parts (or any electronics that uses high-density ICs) for over 30 years, surely you have come across many that didn't work but had no visible damage too them. So what caused them to fail? Sure, some just aged and failed, all electronics will - eventually - if not retired early. Some were probably zapped by a surge or spike from the grid, or perhaps a faulty PSU. Some may have succumbed to excessive heat.

But depending on the source, 25 to 33% of all failures to these devices, that is, failed devices with no known or obvious causes, are due to ESD. Even if those numbers are greatly exaggerated and it is only 10% or just 5%, that is still millions and millions of devices and $millions, if not $billions in losses.

Odds are good today with modern motherboards, when working inside the computer case, if a discharge occurs, it will be harmlessly shunted to, absorbed and dissipated by the case's chassis - but that assumes nothing is otherwise damaged. Not sure that would be a wise assumption. As a formally trained tech, I never assume everything is working properly and especially, I never assume something is properly grounded - starting with the wall outlet.

The bigger risk for techs, hobbyists, and regular home users doing their own support is as noted above and in countless sources. And that is during "application" or assembly of those components. That is, when users pull or mount CPUs, RAM, cards, motherboards, etc. That is, when "people" handle the devices during maintenance and before they are properly grounded to the case.
 
1. I use "mod mat" anytime the work period is longer than 2-3 minutes. such as pulling air filters and blowing air thru or washing them. For the 50,000 mile maintenance, the mod mat comes out ... I put the wrist strap on my ankle to keep it outta the way... ankle => Mat => PC Chassis => PSU => Grounded Outlet

2. Electronic Tool Box - Alcohol wipes, Air Compressor (dual tank) w/ plastic tip, foam swabs, Indigo XTreme Cleaner, anti-static electrical technician gloves (more for finger oils than static), telescopic dentist like mirror, telescoping magnet, electric meter, nut driver, electronics screwdriver set, dikes, plastic ties, QD Drain tube, funnel and coolant fill tube, paper towels. water-pik (yeah the tooth thing) ... great for cleaning water blocks, lube for O-rings.

Sure I'm forgetting something ... Oh yes, we always install a spare chassis screw in some leftover hole in the chassis and wear off the paint on inside of screw hole in initial build... A screw hole that fastens PSU to case is a good option too. A painted screw in a painted hole often won't give a good ground.
 
I bought some crazy cleaning goo and it worked wonders on my 1.5 year old keyboard.It was starting to look disgusting.It cleaned it thoroughly in a minute,looks brand new. Pretty awesome stuff.
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I used to take my KBs apart and wash them in dishwasher. But now with the LCD models can't do that :(

These guys did a study of what was found in keyboards when taking apart and cleaned... so gross (dried skin, dandruff, boogers, cat hair cookie crumbs etc) was worse than toilet,,, dunno if it still on site

https://www.protectcovers.com/
 
Never had a issue with ESD with computer parts,

me neither. always giggle when i see people wearing those silly bracelets :)
 
I've said this before but ESD is way more of an issue if you live in a dry climate. Ether way hot or very cold. High humidity areas do not have issues with ESD
Normally, the airborne moisture helps to dissipate static electricity. When I lived in the high desert I could just rub my feet on the carpet and shock someone. And it will kill parts if this is the case
 
I've said this before but ESD is way more of an issue if you live in a dry climate.
While this is certainly true, do NOT assume because you live near the Louisiana swamps, Mississippi bayous, or Florida Everglades that ESD cannot affect you. Air conditioning works by "conditioning" the air by extracting the moisture out of the air. Almost all homes in those high humidity areas have air conditioning because it gets scorching hot there too.

And for sure, regardless where live, if your home is heated in the winter with a "forced air furnace", it can become extremely dry in your home. Especially in colder areas where the heaters run for extended periods. Your skin dries out, wood furniture and floors can crack. And static can easily build up.

My first electronics tech schools where in very muggy Biloxi, Mississippi. That is where I learned digital electronics (I started out with analog and vacuum tubes - yeah, I'm old) and studied "micro miniature electronics" techniques. This is where we were taught all about static electricity, how it is created, how it becomes ESD and the "microscopic" destructive effects on ESD sensitive devices.

Point being, while it was 100°F and 100% humidity outside, our climate controlled labs were maintained at 65°F and 50% humidity but we still had to use anti-static floor mats and keep ourselves "at the same potentials" as our equipment grounds to ensure there were no static build-ups in our bodies that might be discharged through the equipment we were working on.

Homes are much worse than professionally equipped technical repair facilities for many reasons. Most homes don't go through regular facility grounding certifications. Many are carpeted and/or use area rugs made from synthetic materials that easily generate static. Most homes don't have climate control systems that can pump moisture into the air when needed.

I went to high school in the very dry desert climate of Tucson, maintained air traffic control radio systems for 4+ years in Phoenix, Arizona and another 6 years in the high desert of Albuquerque, New Mexico and yes, static was a serious problem all year long. I now live 1/2 mile from the Missouri River in Eastern Nebraska, and static can still be a problem. I lived 4 years in the wet and tepid UK and static was still a concern there in our environmentally controlled equipment labs - because the HVAC systems dried out the air. So we had humidifiers tied to the HVAC to maintain 50 - 60% inside the computer rooms.

So do not assume you must live in a dry climate area to be affected by ESD.

And yes, most modern digital electronics are designed with ESD "mitigation" (not prevention) in mind. That is, your fancy new motherboard cannot prevent ESD, it can only help prevent damage to the sensitive devices mounted to it.

BUT that motherboard can only do that if it can shunt those 1000s of volts of static to some place safe. This is why just picking up a CPU, RAM, graphics card, or motherboard without taking the necessary ESD precautions can still zap those devices. The static may have no place to go but destructively through those sensitive devices - without you even knowing there was a static discharge.

For anyone who says they have never experienced ESD, I say hogwash! They are only fooling themselves because we, as a human beings, would never know if a destructive static discharge occurred.

A couple facts to consider:

1. Some super high density devices (like many CPU and GPU processors and memory devices that operate with voltages of less than a couple volts) can be damaged by excessive voltages as little as 10V!​
2. The threshold of human awareness varies greatly from the most sensitive being around 3000V (Princess and the Pea types) up to 30,000V for calloused, hard labored hands.​
3. While the average ESD event has the potential of about 15,000V, the time it takes for the arc to travel from fingertip to device can easily be less than 1ns (1 nanosecond or 1 billionth of 1 second!). Which even for that Princess, is way too fast for humans to see.​

So while the risks may be low in your particular environment, do not assume the risks do not exist. You can build up destructive charges just by squirming in your chair! And since it really is easy to prevent destructive potentials from building up in your body (keeping a finger planted on the bare metal of your computer case interior is normally enough) why risk it? If you get into the habit of always taking the necessary precautions EVERY time you open your case or handle a sensitive device, you will be prepared should you find yourself working on a computer next time you are in Las Vegas or Phoenix.
 
I just use tolit paper with water and a clean paint brush... :pimp:

And for the keyboard I use a swiffer duster
 
I just use tolit paper with water and a clean paint brush... :pimp:

And for the keyboard I use a swiffer duster
Toilet paper is possibly the worst thing you could use...it’s already practically lint which is exactly what you’re trying avoid. Pro Tip: Colffee filters are an amazing lint free cloth and well you can buy a hundred anywhere for less than a dollar..Toilet paper..:rolleyes: Heck even paper towels would be a better choice but not by much
 
I agree. The lint aspect doesn't really bother me since a quick blast of compressed air or dusting gas should take care of that. But toilet paper (as opposed to other paper products) is specifically designed to disintegrate when it gets wet! This is so it will quickly break apart when flushed and not bunch up and clog up your sewer pipes. That's why you are not supposed to flush paper towels down the toilet because they are specifically designed to not disintegrate when wet.

Coffee filters are lint free and will work in a pinch - but they are not cloth. Frankly I would advise against using anything made of paper, unless specifically designed for "polishing" smooth surfaces - like paper eyeglass cleaners (which I personally would never use on my glasses or camera lenses). Paper, even very fine paper, scratches. Aluminum and copper are soft metals. The very purpose for thermal paste is to compensate for and fill the microscopic pits and valleys (and scratches) in the CPU and heatsink mating surfaces. No need to add more scratches to the mix.
 
I agree. The lint aspect doesn't really bother me since a quick blast of compressed air or dusting gas should take care of that. But toilet paper (as opposed to other paper products) is specifically designed to disintegrate when it gets wet! This is so it will quickly break apart when flushed and not bunch up and clog up your sewer pipes. That's why you are not supposed to flush paper towels down the toilet because they are specifically designed to not disintegrate when wet.

Coffee filters are lint free and will work in a pinch - but they are not cloth. Frankly I would advise against using anything made of paper, unless specifically designed for "polishing" smooth surfaces - like paper eyeglass cleaners (which I personally would never use on my glasses or camera lenses). Paper, even very fine paper, scratches. Aluminum and copper are soft metals. The very purpose for thermal paste is to compensate for and fill the microscopic pits and valleys (and scratches) in the CPU and heatsink mating surfaces. No need to add more scratches to the mix.
I mean my main use for Coffee Filters is wiping off Thermal Paste is does a fantastic job and well you can use as many as you need they do such a good job I could almost skip the Acetone I use to really clean that kind of surface
 
I mean my main use for Coffee Filters is wiping off Thermal Paste
Right. I understood that. And for sure, I would use a coffee filter before toilet paper.
 
Right. I understood that. And for sure, I would use a coffee filter before toilet paper.
ANYTHING before TP. Why anyone would think of using it for anything other than it's intended use is a bit astonishing..
 
Well, some times you just use what's handy. And of course, TP is cheap.

What I would not use is water. Isopropyl alcohol or Acetone (or nothing) would be better as they evaporate quickly without leaving any contaminates or residues behind. I use 91-93% isopropyl alcohol.
 
TP and PT are best left for butts and OJ spills.... alcohol wipes are great for quick cleaning.... just make sure ya don't confuse with soapy wipes.
 
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