Bad Times for Motherboard and GPU Makers: Oversupply and High Prices in 1H19

[Deleted member 158293]

Let's not forget the bigger artificial tariffs for U.S. also coming soon.

Just to make sure to really nail those corporate stock values...

 

[moproblems99]

Vote with your wallet? That's the type of completely disenfranchising and disempowering mentality that got us to this place where we're completely beholden to the whims of these companies with zero recourse. Instead of thinking like consumers, let's think like citizens of a democracy and try and pass legislation enforcing price caps or a legally mandated maximum ratio of cost to profit (that'd really fix Apple's egregious level of avarice)

I'm sorry, but who are you to tell me what I can price my product at? Don't like my product's price? Then don't buy it until I lower it to something that you find acceptable. I didn't realize that computer gaming had now infiltrated the triangle of mandatory life critical activities...

 

[coonbro]

a month or 2 after the x-mas ru$h it will all smooth out - plenty in stock at low prices ..lol..... cant have low prices now with black Friday arriving and folks money burning a hole in there pockets for that hot new builds

 

[Vayra86]

Let's not forget the bigger artificial tariffs for U.S. also coming soon.

Just to make sure to really nail those corporate stock values...

This man gets it.

 

[trog100]

there is going to be a plethora of cheaper mid range cards available.. ether used ex-mining cards or new mid range built for mining cards.. what there wont be is cheaper new high cards..

intel cpu prices will stay high.. amd prices (increased demand) will go up but not their graphics cards which will have to compete with the plethora of nvidia mid range cards..

the US China trade war wont do anybody any favours ether..

trog

 

[TheGuruStud]

go amd cards and ryzen.. solved

Exactly. Powercolor vega 56 was just $330 (580s are 200). 1000W superflower psu was $86. AMD MB/CPU combos are dirt cheap (1700x was 150).

Idk what people are talking about. Prices are dirt cheap. Even ram has been good.

 

[unikin]

go amd cards and ryzen.. solved

I will if AMD manages to develop some decent GPU. Ryzen 2600x or new 7nm Ryzen 2 for CPU is my next buy and hopefully Navi for GPU if it has GTX 1080/VEGA 64 level of performance for lower price than RTX 2070. If not, I'll wait till 2020 or go 2nd hand. I'm building PC for VR so anything less than GTX 1080 performance is out of the question.

 

[Solaris17]

lol, I mean they can raise prices and eat it, because im not paying MSRP for a board thats a generation behind because they are sad they made too many. Thats not how economics works.

They just dont want to pay the price for catering to the mining market thinking it was going to last forever, now they will pay with the financial Q results.

 

[Wavetrex]

SSD's are getting cheaper.
Harddisks as well... they are already cracking $0.02 /GB (downwards) on the larger drives.

Everything else... not so much unfortunately.

I really wanted an upgrade this year with everything that appeared, but with 7nm on the horizon and all this mess with prices, I'll just wait a bit longer.

 

[bonehead123]

"stupid is as stupid does"

'nuff said

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I like how the article starts on one angle, and ends with Nvidia and intel raising prices just for profitability.

It's them share holder's i tells thee , get em.

 

[fabtech]

Why would you buy a brand new GTX10xx, a 2 years old gen at full retail price or an overpriced RTX with DXR that makes Games unplayable ? The solution ? Just do like me, I've just bought an used GTX1080Ti (ZOTAC GTX 1080ti AMP EXTREME CORE EDITION) for just about $400 with a remaining 2 years Warranty !

Why would I buy a 9900K at $700-800 when I can get a i7 6950x for just $600 (bought it last july, best choice I've ever made to upgrade from a 5820K) that OC at 4.3-4.4GHz easily, more powerful and run cooler with a cheaper cooling solution (Fractal Design Celsius S24 in my case)... You want a new RIG ? A cheap R7 1700X OC 4GHz or a R5 2600 / R7 2700 OC with a used GTX10XX, best buget and powerful rig as good as a powerful CPU with RTX2070/80.
GTX10XX are very good cards with great quality build, so no need to fear used GPU even from Mining because they were used in cool environment and often set to run in low power to save energy.

Just let NVIDIA keeps its overstock and RTX, Intel can keep its i9 series that aren't interesting at all compared to the previous 8 series, but the Intel price is so high that AMD is now the best Performance/price budget.

2019 is going to be rough for NVIDIA and Intel !

 

[XiGMAKiD]

...a situation on which NVIDIA new RTX family hasn't helped due to the high price of those GPUs. ASUSTeK Computer and Gigabyte Technology have seen their inventory levels drive up, "causing their revenues for the peak season to fall under expectations".

More inventory means you can buy more GPU to save more money

 

[Rahmat Sofyan]

AMD . . .
Smarter Choice . . .

 

[Manu_PT]

NGreedia strikes again. I'm seriously considering going for PS5 and PSVR2 in 2020 until PC gaming becomes more pocket friendly again.

Like I said several times on this forum, PC gaming peaked 3 years ago 2015/2016. Acceptable prices, good tech. Right now you are still paying more than MRSP for 3 y old GPUs; if you want best CPUs for high refresh gaming you need to pay 400€-600€. If you want top of the line GPUs you pay 800€-1200€; if you want good 2x8gb DDR4 kits with good speeds you pay 200€; Still paying 80€ for laughable 256gb SSDs that get full after 2 games; Monitors with laughable 1000:1 contrast ratios, glow, lack of quality control, going for 500€-1500€ and no good HDR or Oled, etc etc

We are on dark times, anyone denying it is a PC elitist or something.

Yes we can go Ryzen 2600 + RX580 route, but that is far from being high-end nowadays. It is even low/mid-end on some games already. And you still have to pay crazy amounts of money for ram (in fact more expensive than motherboard or cpu) and resign yourself to a HDD to install your games.

If the industry doesn´t change price wise, we might see PS5 or Xbox 2 dominating the market again. Think about it, PS4 is at 100 million units sold and this gen imo wasn´t even the best we ever had. Simply put people can´t bother with investing on gaming PCs with these prices. They invest on a fortnite/CS/Dota rig, wich can cost 400€-600€ and they get a console for AAA titles, simple as that.

The fact some companies got greedy might take a big hit on PC gaming market.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Like I said several times on this forum, PC gaming peaked 3 years ago 2015/2016. Acceptable prices, good tech. Right now you are still paying more than MRSP for 3 y old GPUs; if you want best CPUs for high refresh gaming you need to pay 400€-600€. If you want top of the line GPUs you pay 800€-1200€; if you want good 2x8gb DDR4 kits with good speeds you pay 200€; Still paying 80€ for laughable 256gb SSDs that get full after 2 games; Monitors with laughable 1000:1 contrast ratios, glow, lack of quality control, going for 500€-1500€ and no good HDR or Oled, etc etc

We are on dark times, anyone denying it is a PC elitist or something.

Yes we can go Ryzen 2600 + RX580 route, but that is far from being high-end nowadays. It is even low/mid-end on some games already. And you still have to pay crazy amounts of money for ram (in fact more expensive than motherboard or cpu) and resign yourself to a HDD to install your games.

If the industry doesn´t change price wise, we might see PS5 or Xbox 2 dominating the market again. Think about it, PS4 is at 100 million units sold and this gen imo wasn´t even the best we ever had. Simply put people can´t bother with investing on gaming PCs with these prices. They invest on a fortnite/CS/Dota rig, wich can cost 400€-600€ and they get a console for AAA titles, simple as that.

The fact some companies got greedy might take a big hit on PC gaming market.

Strive to remember 98% of Pc gamers aren't about the platform and it's epean potential, they're just there to game, and in that case it's easier than it Ever was to get into pc gaming, you just have to look below the top shelf, you made my rig out to be bottom end in your rant.
I game at 4k and have Vr working fine ,I use that compromise melarky to make do a lot (last pc5 years old), don't we all, no just the majority does.

 

[Space Lynx]

So it's not oversupply that is expected to drive the prices up (how could it be?), it's the US-China trade war. Who came up with that tile?

@jboydgolfer

ask your buddy there, he knows the answers!

AMD . . .
Smarter Choice . . .

yep. 7nm gpu and cpu in winter or fall 2019, prob my last silicon build and a playstation 5, prob retiring from gaming after that

 

[John Naylor]

go amd cards and ryzen.. solved

1. Tariffs affect all parts regardless of who makes em 2. Both nvidia and Intel are having trouble keeping them in stock and with what AMD has up against them, AMD just doesn't have the numbers outside small marke niches. many decisions are refelctions of personal value..... If they "wanna be like mike", all that is acceptable is Air Jordans on their feet. 3. nVidias flagship is twice as fast as AMDs.

Why would a company short available supply ? Cause they can, right or wrong consumers simply are not choosing the alternative. AMD Q3 2017 CPU market share =22.3% ... Q3 2018 = 20.9%. AMDs most popular card (480) in use today is 28th in sales. The most popular current generation card is the 580 at 0.54%. The 1080 Ti has 3 times that ... the 1060 with which it competes has 27 times the market share. After 15 months on the market, no Vegas on the list.

The whole market is dropping for the most part as the new generation arrives and folks are sitting waiting for prices to drop, only the mid range nVidia cards showed significant gains

AMD Radeon R7 Graphics - 0.87% down 0.04% market share since last month
AMD Radeon R5 Graphics - 0.67% down 0.04% market share since last month
AMD Radeon RX 480 - 0.60% down 0.02% market share since last month
AMD Radeon RX 580 - 0.54% up 0.03% market share since last month

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 - 14.79%, up 0.50% market share since last month
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti - 11.07%, up 1.37% market share since last month
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 - 6.40%, up 1.27% market share since last month

It will be a month before we see the impact of the excess 1xxx inventories being emptied and 2xxx / 590 sales

But yes, welcome to capitalism... where corporate law requires companies to maximize shareholder value; failure to do so is fiscal misconduct. So yes, as long as demand outstrips supply, prices will go up. Complaining that companies charge "whatever they can get" is like complaining that the dog next door walked thru the hole in your fence and impregnated ya dog that ya left unsupervised.

And while cheaper is always better, ***whether perceived or imagined***, they not going to choose a$6 burger over a $7 steak.

Three things one can do ...

1. Resist the need to be the 1st on on block with new shinny thing and don't buy anything
2. Write to your elected representatives and push to move the tariff from PC parts to completed systems ... already movement here.
3. If the competitions product provides real value for you buy it.

The price of 10xx series cards dropped because of excess inventory ...now demand exceeds inventory and they over $1,000 Want them to come down again, stop buying them.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I’ve been contemplating a system build, but DDR4 prices aren’t helping either. It has to be a contributor with smartphones eating up all the supply.

 

[SIGSEGV]

go amd cards and ryzen.. solved

Exactly. Powercolor vega 56 was just $330 (580s are 200). 1000W superflower psu was $86. AMD MB/CPU combos are dirt cheap (1700x was 150).

Idk what people are talking about. Prices are dirt cheap. Even ram has been good.

the sad thing is not everyone keeps well informed about AMD's products line up including ryzen and amd radeon.
The average joe may still think AMD has a terrible performance and not future proof (bad image) products.
fact: my closest friend who doesn't really follow up with the latest tech (and now he use ryzen and radeon rx 580 instead 1060)

 

[Paganstomp]

Guess we'll all have to go back to the future with 1991 pricing. Pay a lot for nothing much at all!

 

[TheGuruStud]

Like I said several times on this forum, PC gaming peaked 3 years ago 2015/2016. Acceptable prices, good tech. Right now you are still paying more than MRSP for 3 y old GPUs; if you want best CPUs for high refresh gaming you need to pay 400€-600€. If you want top of the line GPUs you pay 800€-1200€; if you want good 2x8gb DDR4 kits with good speeds you pay 200€; Still paying 80€ for laughable 256gb SSDs that get full after 2 games; Monitors with laughable 1000:1 contrast ratios, glow, lack of quality control, going for 500€-1500€ and no good HDR or Oled, etc etc

We are on dark times, anyone denying it is a PC elitist or something.

Yes we can go Ryzen 2600 + RX580 route, but that is far from being high-end nowadays. It is even low/mid-end on some games already. And you still have to pay crazy amounts of money for ram (in fact more expensive than motherboard or cpu) and resign yourself to a HDD to install your games.

If the industry doesn´t change price wise, we might see PS5 or Xbox 2 dominating the market again. Think about it, PS4 is at 100 million units sold and this gen imo wasn´t even the best we ever had. Simply put people can´t bother with investing on gaming PCs with these prices. They invest on a fortnite/CS/Dota rig, wich can cost 400€-600€ and they get a console for AAA titles, simple as that.

The fact some companies got greedy might take a big hit on PC gaming market.

Sucks to be over there. Samsung 960 evo 512GB is under 80 bucks in murrica (1TB is 150 or less).

 

[Batailleuse]

for people whining at price : https://shadow.tech/int

1080gtx, xeon, 12gb ddr4, 1gbps internet connection

they will have upgrades in 2019

cost ? : 30euros/month for 12months

that's 360euro for a somewhat high-end computer if you're poor or if you just want to wait out until pcie4/ryzen2/ddr5/next gen take your pick.

 

[bug]

Guess we'll all have to go back to the future with 1991 pricing. Pay a lot for nothing much at all!
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That's about how much you spend on a decent, above average PC today. Inflation notwithstanding.
Hell, that's how much you pay for a smartphone today!

 

[Frick]

Exactly. Powercolor vega 56 was just $330 (580s are 200). 1000W superflower psu was $86. AMD MB/CPU combos are dirt cheap (1700x was 150).

Idk what people are talking about. Prices are dirt cheap. Even ram has been good.

This entirely depends on where you live I suppose, and if you count sales (which unless they are guaranteed you really shouldn't count). Here Vega 56 is about €530, Vega 64 is about €650. DDR4 has gone down the past few months but not significantly so. First generation Ryzen is cheap, for obvious reasons.

About the only thing that has gone down is how many cores you get for your $$$ and $/GB in SSDs.

for people whining at price : https://shadow.tech/int

"Whining" is entirely the wrong word to use. That implies weakness on the part of the customer.

That's about how much you spend on a decent, above average PC today. Inflation notwithstanding.
Hell, that's how much you pay for a smartphone today!

You have to account for inflation though. That's about $2300 in today USD.