Microsoft Halts Windows 10 October Update Rollout Yet Again, Affects Only Some Intel Users

[Reeves81x]

Ha hahaha.... what else can be said.

It certainly pushed me away. I never had these kinds of problems with Windows 7. Hell, I don't have these kinds of problems with OS X either on my laptop for work.

yep, I'm still using Win7 on all of my current systems. Still the best OS M$ ever released imho.

 

[Athlonite]

Ha lol it wont even install on my AMD based system running 1803 it starts gets to the reboot then gets to 10% and BAM undoing changes made to your PC looks like I'll have to install it from a bootable USB stick again just like I did with the 1803 build

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

the only sensible "solution" is to not get it via Windows Update coz it's a known thing that automated tasks tend to bork itself in many ways. Always go for the bootable USB stick route if you wanna update or do a fresh install. Sure some may find it a hassle but its by far the more safer route IMO. Also, Windows don't just "erase" all your files... all will be thrown into "Windows.old" folder & recover them from there.

 

[lexluthermiester]

looks like I'll have to install it from a bootable USB stick again just like I did with the 1803 build

Yeah that seems to be another trend. Installing an ISO fresh with an update already slipstreamed in is much more stable than updating.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

@lexluthermiester agree. Been doing that since Anniversary Update & never once run into problems.

 

[biffzinker]

I thought Microsoft blocked the update. Has Microsoft suspended the roll out again?

 

[Frick]

If you've ever worked on a project with more than a few thousand lines of code you will understand that there is no such thing as flawless software.
One cannot expect this from non technical users, but nonetheless... There is so much hate going around when someone f**** up, it disgusts me.
Take NVIDIA RTX and M$ october update as examples. People can't wait for a reason to hate. Just a wonderful reminder of what human beings really are.

Cheers.

Couldn't agree more with this sentiment. There's so many people around with a chip on their shoulders.

Normally I'd agree with you, but in this case it is just ... not a correct way to look at it IMO. Take the october update, for instance. You know why that happened?

Redirecting one or more Known Folders does not, however, remove the original folder. Moreover, if there are still files in the original folder, redirecting doesn't move those files to the new location. Using KFR can thus result in your files being split between two locations; the original folder, and the new redirected folder.

The October 2018 Update tried to tidy up this situation. When KFR is being used, the October 2018 Update will delete the original, default Known Folder locations. Microsoft imagined that this would simply remove some empty, redundant directories from your user profile. No need to have a Documents directory in your profile if you're using a redirected location, after all. The problem is, it neither checked to see if those directories were empty first, nor copied any files to the new redirected location. It just wiped out the old directory, along with anything stored within it. Hence the data loss.

That is just plain amateurish and someone should have noticed it. MS is one of the biggest software companies on the planet and has been doing it for decades. That should not have happened. And the update that broke the web cameras? They fundementally changed how webcameras integrated with Windows without really communicating it, and if anyone there had tested it with common cameras in a live setting, they would have noticed. When I was at MS tech support (for a very brief spell when Windows 7 launched) they told stories of how every new version of Windows meant buying like every piece of hardware they could get their hands on and run them through their paces, thoroughly. This was in a time when if they found a computer with weird enough problems they bought it from that customer just to have a look at it. Obviously no software is perfect, as you say, and especially not something as complex and legacy-ridden as Windows but these kinds of things really, really should not happen. I'm almost an MS apologist because I quite like them, but far to many people are experiencing problems with these updates to just shrug it off. Personally I've never had any problems with these updates, but I've never been robbed either and that happens.

 

[hat]

@lexluthermiester agree. Been doing that since Anniversary Update & never once run into problems.

I'd call what you're doing to avoid problems being a problem. Who wants to reinstall Windows every 6 months?

 

[Vayra86]

@lexluthermiester agree. Been doing that since Anniversary Update & never once run into problems.

I've just been clicking 'update and restart' every time and my experience is similar. The only problem I've ever had is that one game (TW:Warhammer 2) wouldn't load campaigns after an update and it was due to display driver / game update being later than the Windows one, the core problem being with the game and not Windows. (Creative Assembly was late providing the update)

And, on those rare occasions I have the aforementioned blackscreen bug on login screen, which has a simple, 15 second workaround.

Its good for perspective to keep in mind a vast majority is *not* having problems. Still no excuse, but OK. Another big influence still is those systems that have done the upgrade from 7 to 10 without a clean install. Those setups are very susceptible to problems and benefit a lot from doing it your way.

 

[Aquinus]

I'd call what you're doing to avoid problems being a problem. Who wants to reinstall Windows every 6 months?

That's the point I had gotten to and I had basically had enough. Do you know when I re-install Linux? There are literally two cases:

1. If I want to upgrade to the latest LTS of Ubuntu (every two years, mind you it doesn't do it unless I tell it to.)
2. If I want to completely redo my partitioning scheme (which technically doesn't require a re-install, I could do this manually.)

Last re-install was bringing my machine up to Ubuntu 18.04 from 16.04 after 2 years.

Its good for perspective to keep in mind a vast majority is *not* having problems. Still no excuse, but OK.

I guess I'm just the unlucky one where two major updates in a row bricked my installation. If Microsoft ever wants me to return, they need to stop releasing perpetual beta releases while expecting consumers to find their bugs for them that should be caught in QA. I'm not going to give them business for making foolish decisions with Windows. I'll just not run Windows because my life doesn't revolve around games and my Steam library is good enough to keep me satisfied (and Proton is an even bigger reason why I won't likely switch back.)

So, unless I become a .NET developer, it's probably not going to happen unless Microsoft cleans up their house.

 

[hat]

That's why I choose the "Semi-Annual" channel as opposed to the "Semi-Annual (Targeted)" channel. Though I could have sworn I changed it to the former, and when I just now went to check it was the latter... possibly not, though. :/

Anyways, it delays these updates for a while, hopefully all the bugs are worked out by then. There's also LTSB, but that's pretty hard to get unless... arrrr matey...

 

[Aquinus]

That's why I choose the "Semi-Annual" channel as opposed to the "Semi-Annual (Targeted)" channel. Though I could have sworn I changed it to the former, and when I just now went to check it was the latter... possibly not, though. :/

Anyways, it delays these updates for a while, hopefully all the bugs are worked out by then. There's also LTSB, but that's pretty hard to get unless... arrrr matey...

Sure. I've heard a lot of different solutions ranging from switching the upgrade channel to using Windows Firewall to block Windows Update. I guess I'm just at a point where I'm happy with my system. I'm not jumping at changing it because it works. Stuff that I want automatic is automatic and stuff that I want to be manual is manual... and it works. I can't really ask more out of a machine that I use for fun and for my profession. Between Steam's Proton, the Vega 64 in the mail, and the Xbox One X that Santa is bringing on Christmas to my daughter and I, I think that I'm pretty much all set when it comes to games for the time being.

So, I guess that the bottom line (for me,) is that: I'm so familiar with using Ubuntu, that I would prefer it over Windows if both can do what I want.
Mind you, that I'm saying that after using it as my only OS for almost 3 years. Before that I dual-booted.

 

[Frick]

I guess I'm just the unlucky one where two major updates in a row bricked my installation. If

An update on an AMD laptop I had bricked it so that it wouldn't even boot into safe mode. For avarage joes that is literally game over unless they know someone who can fix it (finding an old image, install that and block the offending update with third party tools) or if they can afford to have it done for them at a shop (and I know many people who don't have this kind of money or they live in such a place where the nearest shop of that kind is hours away).

 

[Aquinus]

An update on an AMD laptop I had bricked it so that it wouldn't even boot into safe mode. For avarage joes that is literally game over unless they know someone who can fix it (finding an old image, install that and block the offending update with third party tools) or if they can afford to have it done for them at a shop (and I know many people who don't have this kind of money or they live in such a place where the nearest shop of that kind is hours away).

That is literally what happened to me the 2nd time. After it happened I tried booting into Linux only to have it fail to boot because it was trying to mount my RAID-5 (a NTFS partition at the time,) because it was "not properly unmounted." I basically had enough. Mind you, this happened before I was supposed to work from home and use my tower to do my job. I was angry.

 

[qubit]

Normally I'd agree with you, but in this case it is just ... not a correct way to look at it IMO. Take the october update, for instance. You know why that happened?

Ah, you're correct, but you've not seen my later post where I agreed with rtwjunkie and changed my mind and hence agree with you.

This is quite clearly unacceptable coming from the biggest and most significant software company in the world.

 

[Vayra86]

That's why I choose the "Semi-Annual" channel as opposed to the "Semi-Annual (Targeted)" channel. Though I could have sworn I changed it to the former, and when I just now went to check it was the latter... possibly not, though. :/

Anyways, it delays these updates for a while, hopefully all the bugs are worked out by then. There's also LTSB, but that's pretty hard to get unless... arrrr matey...

I do this too and Microsoft could solve a LOT of crap by being much more forthcoming with these options. So its actually beta, be honest and admit it, and call the channel as it is. Whoever made those channel names up...its just too obvious a hiding attempt for the actual build status.

 

[lexluthermiester]

There's also LTSB, but that's pretty hard to get unless... arrrr matey...

The way I look at it(and yes I realize it's legally questionable, but I'm looking at the morality here), I'm only using LTSB for personal purposes and effectively doing nothing more than would be done with the Home/Pro versions which I have several legit copies of. If I want a version of Windows 10 without all the crap(Cortana, Edge, Store, Defender, Etc.) I can either remove it all myself or use a version of Windows preconfigured that way. LTSB/LTSC is the answer to the later. I do not feel like I'm stealing from MS because of how and why I'm using it and the fact the I've purchased retail copies. Doing so also avoids all the nonsense of update problems like this.

 

[Melvis]

Windows 7 was the best ever. If I could turn back I would.

You can if you want! Im running 7 on 2018 Hardware without issues.

 

[BrainCruser]

If the problem has been caused by a third party, then surely it shouldn't impact Microsoft's rollout? At most, the installer can check for the driver version and prompt for an updated one before installing the October update. I suspect that there's more to this than Microsoft is letting on.

"Issue with intel iGPU driver" = 95% of laptops will have this issue.
Also, its Microsoft's fault. Why are they changing the driver model daily? Previously they changed the driver model twice, once for XP, once for Vista. Now they are breaking drivers every 3-4 months. Linux drivers last longer than that.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Previously they changed the driver model twice, once for XP, once for Vista.

More than that. The graphics driver model has changed many more times. DOS>Windows 3.x>Windows95>WindowsNT>Windows2k/XP>Vista/7/8>Windows10.
Still, I agree with your point. Microsoft needs to stick with a driver model instead of changing things every 5 weeks.

 

[eidairaman1]

WAAS sucks.

More than that. The graphics driver model has changed many more times. DOS>Windows 3.x>Windows95>WindowsNT>Windows2k/XP>Vista/7/8>Windows10.
Still, I agree with your point. Microsoft needs to stick with a driver model instead of changing things every 5 weeks.

This is why I wont move

 

[John Naylor]

If the problem has been caused by a third party, then surely it shouldn't impact Microsoft's rollout? At most, the installer can check for the driver version and prompt for an updated one before installing the October update. I suspect that there's more to this than Microsoft is letting on.

From what we read on The register... the problem was an Intel update that MS included in the roll up. Thing I'm wondering ... a) does anyone still allow windows to install hardware updtaes and b) would that have stopped it if they had disabled hardware updates.

Turn off Windows ability to install Hardware drivers
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials...iver-updates-windows-update-windows-10-a.html
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/82137-drivers-turn-off-automatic-driver-installation.html

 

[BorgOvermind]

Windows 7 was the best ever. If I could turn back I would.

As Windows 7 was a fixed Vista, fixed because they actually listened to the community, Windows 10 needs to go in favor of a fixed version.

 

[lexluthermiester]

As Windows 7 was a fixed Vista, fixed because they actually listened to the community, Windows 10 needs to go in favor of a fixed version.

This, Yes!

 

[John Naylor]

I cant install Decembers either.