Time for a new build (Go big or go home)

[EarthDog]

Ummmm per my system specs I have a MSI MPG27QC... A 1440p 144hz monitor.

I've already got the dual Vegas, I enjoy them and they work well for me. Very cheap black Friday deal recently ;-)

So why would I spend money on a new monitor, that I don't need, or dual cards when I already have a pair of decent cards....

For some reason when I googled your monitor, its said 1080p 144Hz... My fault there.

@EarthDog how is it unbalanced, the best high-end AMD GPUs, decent ram, decent SSDs, decent cooling, decent CPU? What is unbalanced?

The GPU to monitor situation was unbalanced. Now you just have two cards that perform as well as the 2080 Ti using double the power and double the 'trouble'.

I am not a fan of dual GPU gaming unless it is necessary. Its too much power use and heat mitigation, never 2x scaling, sometimes no scaling at all... and just overall isn't a good value. Sadly for you, with a 2560x1440 144 Hz monitor, its a need if you want to stick with AMD as the v64 GPUs, one, can't drive that res/refresh rate/fps fast enough. THAT is why I suggested moving to a single 2080Ti and scrap those underwhelming power sucking AMD GPUs. I mean, you are burning money on what will likely be a useless CPU, so why not burn it on something that will net tangible results?

but bang for buck seems to be with the TR

This statement is funny, you know.......right? You looking for the bang for the buck and dropping mad wads of cash on overkill parts?

 

[Rahnak]

With that kinda budget why not go even crazier and build 2 systems in a single box. Or just 2 boxes. That way you can get more efficient gaming and work machines.

 

[Hellfire]

Hey, I am not set on TR, I have a 4790K and I love it, I'm not set on TR and I am open to the options of another Intel Rig, also, like in my original post I am considering Zen 2.

Tbh you're right, scaling in the AMD cards is much better at 4k rather than 2k so maybe I should up to a 4k monitor...

 

[EarthDog]

Everything, mixture of gaming, crunching for WCG

About the only benefit you'll see is with WCG. TR is not a gaming CPU, though it will game OK. If it were me and was looking for AMD, go X1950X or w/e their non Threadripper flagship is.

If I were you, I would look into Intel more seriously. On the 'low end' a 9900K. But since you want to "go big", you can get a i9-9940X (14c/28t) a couple hundo cheaper then that TR and still have to get rid of it before you would really be able to use all those cores.

That and SLI/CFx needs clockspeed and IPC which are lagging in AMD CPUs. That AMD CPU tops out at what 4 GHz if you are lucky, while I would expect that Intel CPU to be able to boost all cores to AT LEAST 4.5 GHz with your proposed cooling.


God only knows when Zen2 is coming out... when do you plan on building this? If its more than a month or so.... let's talk when it gets A LOT closer.

EDIT: If it was me, I'd sell those AMD GPUs, or put one in the kid's machine and sell the other and go get a single 2080Ti. I love my 2080Ti driving my 2560x1440 144Hz panel. Everything is on ultra and either pegs 144 or is damn close in the titles I play (PUBG, Fortnite, BF 1, BF V, F1 2018) so its an awesome gaming experience. Never do I worry about SLI support or improper scaling, just set the settings in game, and enjoy.

 

[Vayra86]

About the only benefit you'll see is with WCG. TR is not a gaming CPU, though it will game OK. If it were me and was looking for AMD, go X1950X or w/e their non Threadripper flagship is.

If I were you, I would look into Intel more seriously. On the 'low end' a 9900K. But since you want to "go big", you can get a i9-9940X (14c/28t) a couple hundo cheaper then that TR and still have to get rid of it before you would really be able to use all those cores.

That and SLI/CFx needs clockspeed and IPC which are lagging in AMD CPUs. That AMD CPU tops out at what 4 GHz if you are lucky, while I would expect that Intel CPU to be able to boost all cores to AT LEAST 4.5 GHz with your proposed cooling.


God only knows when Zen2 is coming out... when do you plan on building this? If its more than a month or so.... let's talk when it gets A LOT closer.

Amen. The amount of silly choices in this OP, and the timing of it all, was too staggering for me to get into. Fools and money shall be parted, that is all I will say. Dual channel RAM on a quad channel platform "want to go big"... dude you havent the slightest clue what youre doing.

 

[xkm1948]

Zenth Extreme is one of the worst 1st gen TR board that WILL have difficulty supporting 32core 2990WX. Your best bet is MSI MEG Creation X399. I built a similar system for my friend and it is the best X399.

Also 2990WX is not good for gaming. I would recommend 2950X instead. Or just go Intel and do X299 with 9980XE. That way you will not sacrifice single core performance lost.

If you are buying Vega I would not even call this "All-Out"

"All-Out" would be 2 x 2080Ti FTW3 SLI under custom loop

 

[Hellfire]

I did originally consider a I9 9960x build with a ROG Rampage VI Extreme. It does also allow much faster ram. Maybe drop down to the 9940x.

May be worth bringing that to the drawing board again.

 

[HD64G]

With X399 having compatibility at least with upcoming Zen2, there isn't any logic in going for HDET with Intel. Rome will sweep the floor with whatever Intel has or will have by then. My 5 cents.

 

[Vayra86]

I did originally consider a I9 9960x build with a ROG Rampage VI Extreme. It does also allow much faster ram.

May be worth bringing that to the drawing board again.

In all fairness I would just dial it down a notch. Its clear you dont have time critical workloads at all that would benefit from a many core HEDT setup. Especially now that core counts on MSDT have doubled.

But for gaming which is the only realtime workload you have, MSDT offers the strongest CPUs with the best clocking potential. And you have 144hz, so that is clearly something you will benefit from. Its nice when you can actually notice where the money went, right?

 

[xkm1948]

Oh I forgot to mention. Threadripper does not do high speed RAMs as Earthdog was saying. 3200MHz would be pretty much top of the line here.

I agree with EarthDog. Get a 9900K instead. 2990WX are for Prosumers. For example data scientists who cannot affrod a HPC in their lab but have enough to a 32core consumer grade CPU. Sell those Vega64 as they are really not good for gaming comparing to the offerings from camp green.

TBH that was one of the most unbalanced/weird build I have seen in a while.

 

[27MaD]

I already have dual Vega 64's which I love

Oh ok , i thought u r going 2 buy new cards.

 

[EarthDog]

I did originally consider a I9 9960x build with a ROG Rampage VI Extreme. It does also allow much faster ram. Maybe drop down to the 9940x.

May be worth bringing that to the drawing board again.

That's a better thought... but I am not sure why you want much faster RAM anyway considering it makes little difference in most activities.


From here, honestly, I'd just list a budget and let a few at it... we can focus the money on the parts that actually matter instead of looking at 345634566 core CPUs and superOMGhighspeedz memory.

 

[R0H1T]

AMD for HEDT, 2950x & 2970WX offer best bang for buck. Now for mainstream 9900k is the best out of the box CPU & I wouldn't recommend Intel for HEDT unless you're looking to OC that rig, partly because it's an inferior platform to where TR is today. There are exceptions though, so YMWV.

 

[Hellfire]

Budget is whatever I need it to be, sub £7k (GBP) would be nice.

I already have the Seasonic 1300w and Vega64s, Seasonic isn't going anywhere, the Vegas, I'd consider a pair of 2080's, could make for an interesting build.

 

[R0H1T]

For the GPU you could always wait & watch, whatever your final build's gonna be there's no doubt that this is the worst time to buy a GPU.
Now for CPU it's virtually the exact opposite, except Intel's supply side problems.

 

[EarthDog]

May I ask why you (seem to) insist on multiple GPUs?

(I wondering if this is some 'requirement' you may have which may not make a difference, like 'fast' memory)

 

[Hellfire]

May I ask why you (seem to) insist on multiple GPUs?

(I wondering if this is some 'requirement' you may have which may not make a difference, like 'fast' memory)

The fast memory wasn't a requirement, I merely stated that intel allows for much faster 4000+MHz memory.

3200-3600 seems fine to me.

Multiple GPUs because I can and can afford it? What's wrong, you even said go for a pair of 2080s?

 

[Vayra86]

Budget is whatever I need it to be, sub £7k (GBP) would be nice.

I already have the Seasonic 1300w and Vega64s, Seasonic isn't going anywhere, the Vegas, I'd consider a pair of 2080's, could make for an interesting build.

Get a single 2080ti and call it a day. SLI/Crossfire is end of life, at least for the current crop of cards, and dual Vega is just horribly inefficient.

'Because you can afford it' doesn't make it a good choice, did you not learn from the first page. You were so far off the mark, it was unreal. Now you're still stuck with a weird dual GPU idea - dual inferior GPUs at that. Vega is 2016's sub high-end performance, keep that in mind. For all that money wasted, that is some pretty lackluster performance. And the bill keeps getting higher because you'll burn 600W easy while you can get similar performance with half that number. Which also means less heat to dissipate, which allows you to make do with 5-6 case fans instead of that retarded 26 fans 'Because there are 26 fan ports'...

 

[Hellfire]

Get a single 2080ti and call it a day. SLI/Crossfire is end of life, at least for the current crop of cards, and dual Vega is just horribly inefficient.

Really, mines been scaling circa 60-80% depending on the title!

 

[Vayra86]

Really, mines been scaling circa 60-80% depending on the title!

Great, that's 40-20% lost performance while a 2080ti gives you 100% all over the place and still gets equal or better FPS. At a 250-260W draw.

If you want to be stubborn, buy the rig in your OP and stop posting. I have a lot of patience but it runs out fast. You either want the advice or you don't.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

TR has its place, but needs to be matched to the application. Even your WCG results will be disappointing on a W10 system - it really needs Linux to get the most out of all of those cores and threads. (visit phoronix.com) The WX TR's are meant for workstation loads and kinda fall on their face while trying to game.

 

[EarthDog]

The fast memory wasn't a requirement, I merely stated that intel allows for much faster 4000+MHz memory.

3200-3600 seems fine to me.

I figured you alluded to running faster than even the 3600 MHz RAM you already suggested since Intel "allows for much faster" memory and that is what you picked already. 3200 MHz here is fine as well. Much beyond that the cost goes up but performance isn't with it.

What's wrong, you even said go for a pair of 2080s?

I only suggested it because you seem keen on keeping a multi-gpu setup (and trying not to completely shove my ideas down your throat). Just trying to get to the bottom of the reasoning to share with you if its sound or based off nonsense. This should allow you to make a more informed decision, regardless if you still want a mGPU setup.



So........when will you be ready to order parts?

 

[IceShroom]

Cooling
EK Supremacy TR4

If you are going for TR4 cpu, get better cpu water block like XSPC Ratstrom TR4 or Heakiller IV TR4.
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/05/11/koolance_400as_threadripper_water_block_v2_review/3

 

[R0H1T]

I don't think the RTXes are a great buy at these levels, what if we see a 7nm consumer GPU within the next 3 or 4 quarters? The part about Vega being inefficient can be overlooked if the system's not gonna be used for extended gaming sessions.

 

[EarthDog]

Because there is always something better coming out within the next year....

Then that new thing won't be a great buy because its new...

... where's the cutoff?