Time for a new build (Go big or go home)

[phanbuey]

Because there is always something better coming out within the next year....

Then that new thing won't be a great buy because its new...

... where's the cutoff?

It's always better to buy the best deal you can find on current tech.

EDIT: If it was me, I'd sell those AMD GPUs, or put one in the kid's machine and sell the other and go get a single 2080Ti. I love my 2080Ti driving my 2560x1440 144Hz panel. Everything is on ultra and either pegs 144 or is damn close in the titles I play (PUBG, Fortnite, BF 1, BF V, F1 2018) so its an awesome gaming experience. Never do I worry about SLI support or improper scaling, just set the settings in game, and enjoy.

^ this

 

[xkm1948]

Because there is always something better coming out within the next year....

Then that new thing won't be a great buy because its new...

... where's the cutoff?

Yep.

Wait for Vega, and that train crashed.
Wait for consumer 7nm Vega, and it ain’t happening.
Wait for Navi it is then.


There is no end of “waiting”

You need a build then just buy it now. Don’t base stuff on “might happening” events.

 

[R0H1T]

Because there is always something better coming out within the next year....

Then that new thing won't be a great buy because its new...

... where's the cutoff?

This is probably a first AFAIK, when was the last time a new gen of GPUs cost 40~60% more for just 30~40% more performance? You're also forgetting the bad reports about RTX cards, as rare as they may be.
If the OP wants/needs better GPUs then sure, but to say this is the (new) normal would be disingenuous IMO.

 

[phanbuey]

the 9900x 10 core with the extra cache so you can crank it to 5 Ghz - that will last longer imo.

 

[EarthDog]

This is probably a first AFAIK, when was the last time a new gen of GPUs cost 40~60% more for just 30~40% more performance? You're also forgetting the bad reports about RTX cards, as rare as they may be.
If the OP wants/needs better GPUs then sure, but to say this is the new normal would be disingenuous IMO.

I don't recall saying anything about its value. I am focusing on performance. Clearly the OP isn't heavily invested in 'value' considering the options. And a single 2080Ti or even 2 2080's (b/c the dude seems to love mGPU), IMO, is a better choice, even though he already has the Vegas. He wants to go big, not use outdated space heating technology.

RE: The 'bad reports' of RTX cards...so far we havn't seen anything confirming their RMA rate is higher than normal... its also situation specific and resolved by a driver in some cases...

This isn't a new normal... but saying to wait until next YEAR is a pretty odd statement considering there will be something better EVERY year.

 

[R0H1T]

I don't recall saying anything about its value. I am focusing on performance. Clearly the OP isn't heavily invested in 'value' considering the options. And a single 2080Ti or even 2 2080's, IMO, is a better choice, even though he already has the Vegas. He wants to go big, not use outdated space heating technology.

RE: The 'bad reports' of RTX cards...so far we havn't seen anything confirming their RMA rate is higher than normal... its also situation specific and resolved by a driver in some cases...

This isn't a new normal... but saying to wait until next YEAR is a pretty odd statement considering there will be something better EVERY year.

2990WX & Titan V it is then

I was just adding to the argument that Vegas are less efficient than RTX cards, the next gen cards will be more efficient & he can hold onto his current GPUs if he wants to.

 

[xkm1948]

2990WX & Titan V it is then

I was just adding to the argument that Vegas are less efficient than RTX cards, the next gen cards will be more efficient & he can hold onto his current GPUs if he wants to.

Another weird suggestion. Neither 2990WX nor Titan V are good for gaming comparing to 9900K + 2080Ti.

TBH Navi still GCN and rumored to be mid to low tier, I don't think there will be much change in the current market for a while.

7nm won't be a silver bullet that magically solve all the problems in terms of performance and efficiency.

 

[moproblems99]

Sell those Vega64 as they are really not good for gaming comparing to the offerings from camp green.

If everyone is on the money saving bandwagon, why tell him to sell gpus that serve his purpose?

This isn't a new normal... but saying to wait until next YEAR is a pretty odd statement considering there will be something better EVERY year.

Next year is only 30.5 days away. On top of that, he clearly doesn't need a new computer with a 4790k and Vega 64s. Perhaps he should wait strictly so he can formulate a coherent useful plan instead of listening to 20 people spew off nonsense about Titan Vs?

Edit: On top of that, there are 2 maybe 3 opinions in this thread worth listening to...mine is not one of them.

 

[Hellfire]

You know, I'll happily admit with regards to GPUs I am quite a bit of a AMD fanboy, well more Sapphire Tech fan boy, I do love my GPUs and I have never had issue with them.

I am conflicted re CPU. The idea that TR can give me PCI 3.0 X 16 on both cards, which the i9 can't is a nice idea, however I also understand the bottleneck from x16 to x8 loss is minimal in reality.

I understand when gaming that TR isn't as useful due to the games not supporting the larger cores, and the higher clocks of I9 would probably act better.

I fail to see how faster Ram is a disadvantage?

I said originally, I get the build is OVERKILL. That I accept, but there is nothing wrong with overkill, I accept my choice in CPU may not be the correct one and I am open to suggestions on that.

Regarding the case fans, i see no issue of using the full compliment supported to push more air through the case, it's clear noise isn't a big issue for me.

Also let's not forget 16 of the fans are for two radiators, what do you suggest? Leaving the rads bare? Okay, you could argue Push/Pull isn't needed but I've run P/P in the past and have had good cooling results from it.

 

[EarthDog]

1. X299 and *most processors will give you 44 lanes from the cpu allowing for x16/x16

2. Faster RAM isnt a disadvantage so much as it is a waste of money. Is it overkill when there are negligible gains at best or just throwing cash out the window. Obviously it is your choice to do so...but you asked and it's our job to share the knowledge.

3. Lol, nobody suggested you leave them bare.

Next year is only 30.5 days away.

lol smarty pants. Sorry, you can see in other posts the dude suggested 3-4 quarters (a CALENDAR year) and that is what I was referring to.

 

[Hellfire]

1. X299 and *most processors will give you 44 lanes from the cpu allowing for x16/x16

2. Faster RAM isnt a disadvantage so much as it is a waste of money. Is it overkill when there are negligible gains at best or just throwing cash out the window. Obviously it is your choice to do so...but you asked and it's our job to share the knowledge.

3. Lol, nobody suggested you leave them bare.

lol smarty pants. Sorry, you can see in other posts the dude suggested 3-4 quarters (a CALENDAR year) and that is what I was referring to.

Granted, just checked the x299 board I was looking at does x16/0/x16/x8

Re case fans, I know no one said that, but what would you suggest rather than the fans I need 16 intakes for the front, can't cut exhaust down as it needs flow rate. It's only high number of fans due to dual rads and push/pull.

Granted, I could run it all off one rad, but better thermals with two.

 

[EarthDog]

Run two rads without push pull? There isn't remotely a need for p/p with 2 480mm rads. Overkill is already 2 480mm rads.


Did you ever answer WHEN you intended to make this purchase?

 

[Hellfire]

Run two rads without push pull? There isn't remotely a need for p/p with 2 480mm rads. Overkill is already 2 480mm rads.


Did you ever answer WHEN you intended to make this purchase?

I plan on starting the first lot of purchases in next few days. Starting with the case and cooling equipment.

It won't be all at once. Mobo/CPU last as I may change. (Same with the waterblock for CPU)

I get what you mean but the decrease in thermals I've seen from push/pull have been considerable in the past.

 

[EarthDog]

Brotha, when you are over radded, as you are, that influence is less. It literally gains you nothing in clocks, its just more cost and noise for a couple/few C drop (if you are lucky).

 

[trog100]

the OP wants an over complicated build for the fun of building one.. i think i can see where he is coming from even though all the parts are nonsensical..

my choice for a monster machine would start off with a pair of 2080ti cards.. what else is there but the best.. an intel 9900k would do for the cpu.. 32 gigs of ram and some fancy water cooling..

the end result would at least perform nicely and make some sense..

trog

 

[EarthDog]

Totally. Part of my point is simy setting expectations. Consider it a preemptive strike against the next thread a few weeks from now wondering why the clocks and relative performance is the same as something costing half and still being overkill.

You want a 7k rig... I'll build one for you.

 

[FireFox]

I have to watch this Thread

 

[Hockster]

The 1000D comes with a Corsair Commander and Lighting Node, may as well get a couple more commanders and stick with one ecosystem. That case can also run dual systems, regular ATX/EATX and a micro system. You can check the Corsair forums for some decent 1000D builds, this one is pretty interesting:

http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=180073

 

[R0H1T]

Another weird suggestion. Neither 2990WX nor Titan V are good for gaming comparing to 9900K + 2080Ti.

TBH Navi still GCN and rumored to be mid to low tier, I don't think there will be much change in the current market for a while.

7nm won't be a silver bullet that magically solve all the problems in terms of performance and efficiency.

I don't see the OP specifying anything about a dedicated gaming build, but I guess you must've missed it not to mention the fact that 2990WX roughly matches the 2950X in dynamic local mode?

I didn't say anything about Navi, as things stand today there are 50/50 odds on Nvidia releasing a 7nm GPU before AMD. In your recent haste towards RTG you must've missed that part as well.

For years dedicated node (changes) have been the best way to increase efficiency, especially by Intel.

 

[ShieldHead]

Well if you are happy with the vegas just keep them. One 2080ti would be alot better in most games but it may not be worth it to you.
Between x299 or TR, I'd grab a 2950X if you even need thay many cores and 4x8gb at 3200 cl14
If you dont need all those cores then go for I9-9900k, it will be the best for gaming and also very good for productivity. Pci 3.0 x8 won't make much difference anyways...
And you can also use pci 3.0 x 16 if you decide to upgrade to a much better single gpu in the future.

Edit: If in the future you want to keep a dual gpu setup (if its minimally supported) then definitely grab TR as you can easily upgrade to zen 2 or whatever

 

[EarthDog]

I don't see the OP specifying anything about a dedicated gaming build

When asked, gaming was the first thing listed... if that means anything.

I still have to list parts for his build...

 

[Vayra86]

the OP wants an over complicated build for the fun of building one.. i think i can see where he is coming from even though all the parts are nonsensical..

my choice for a monster machine would start off with a pair of 2080ti cards.. what else is there but the best.. an intel 9900k would do for the cpu.. 32 gigs of ram and some fancy water cooling..

the end result would at least perform nicely and make some sense..

trog

I don't understand these type of topics. 'Go big or go home', put together a parts list, and obviously without doing ANY research. 'Budget?' "Oh I don't care, up to 7K"... When given advice, the reply is 'but what I wanted works, right?'

I mean, if you want to piss away money, surely there are better ways to do it. Even when just pissing it away. What I see here, is laziness and a complete and utter lack of effort. Combined with the sum of money on the table, that to me speaks volumes, and we're at page 3 right now and I haven't been proven wrong.

IMO until OP managed to do some research of its own, any advice given is wasted anyway. Read back for proof. If you want to be taken seriously, take the effort, I for one am not here to cater to this kind of spoonfeeding and these topics actually deserve a lock.

 

[Komshija]

As some folks said, I would much rather pick TR 2950X than TR 2990 WX.
I would also recommend G.Skill Trident Z 3600 MHz instead of Corsair Vengeance, merely because it's faster in some synthetic benchmarks. It also looks nicer, but that's only my opinion.
How about WD Gold HDD's? They are among the best on the market.

 

[R0H1T]

When asked, gaming was the first thing listed... if that means anything.

I still have to list parts for his build...

Among a bunch of other things, without focusing or emphasizing one over the other.

Everything, mixture of gaming, crunching for WCG, work (including video editing and large Database work)

I'd happily go Intel I7 again, I'm open to change, but bang for buck seems to be with the TR

Anyway looking at the above I'd definitely go for HEDT, he can reuse the GPU or get the RTX.

With AMD he'll have a better upgrade path & more upgrade options, Intel is better in raw IPC & clocks.

GPU ~ we've covered that over 2 pages.

 

[phill]

I like the idea of complete and total overkill, did it a while back and wouldn't look back at all

As for everything listed, I'm personally not a fan of Corsair, so I wouldn't recommend the fans personally or the ram but that's my choice not the OP's

As for gaming, well the 2990WX will game and there will be a bit less of an issue the higher up the res it goes but that's not going to go so well if you have a 120Hz panel as such and games don't support the Crossfire/SLI (which is a massive frustration for me as I love the idea of multiple cards but moving on )

As for recommending the 9xxx series from Intel (the 99xx models) I personally couldn't. I'd stick with the 79xx series as you can delid these, the are cheaper and with an overclock, they'll give just as much performance as the later release I believe.. I'll see if I can find the review I looked at... ('ere tis....) For gaming, Anandtech noticed no difference between the latest and greatest and the 79xx series.. I know where my money will eventually be going

As for the amount of ram, I'm surprised not more is added, but I think that might have gone up over the last few posts/pages

That said, maybe since you have all of the cores, running some sort of VM software might be best for you? That way, you can assign the cores/threads you want for gaming, work, WCG etc and use whatever OS you want all on one box... Would that be of any use??