Intel Gen11 iGPU Roughly as Fast as Radeon Vega 8 (Ryzen 3 2200G)

[Darmok N Jalad]

This is obviously targetting the lowest end market. What's really at stake here? These are going to go inside short lived machines... be it AMD or Intel. It doesn't have to be a dick size contest.



Well, if the past is any indication, I think AMD will get their fair share of this market (and then some). But I think it'd be good if any casual buys either one and moves away from consoles.

They have to be getting there. The PS4 and Xbox are both AMD APUs, and I’d love to see an AM4 chip with a 8 core Ryzen chiplet and some sort of HBM GPU. If it could pull off 1080p high, that could be a SFF winner for the living room.

 

[StrayKAT]

They have to be getting there. The PS4 and Xbox are both AMD APUs, and I’d love to see an AM4 chip with a 8 core Ryzen chiplet and some sort of HBM GPU. If it could pull off 1080p high, that could be a SFF winner for the living room.

Yeah, I just remembered that the consoles are mainly AMD too. So the irony is that they could be leaving one low end market for a more competitive one. I admit, that isn't good. It's just that I'd like the baseline of Gaming to be low end PCs, rather than consoles. If AMD wins a bulk of that market too, I'd be happy for them.

 

[GoldenX]

This is obviously targetting the lowest end market. What's really at stake here? These are going to go inside short lived machines... be it AMD or Intel. It doesn't have to be a dick size contest.

A "lowest end" PC keeps working as it is for over 5 years, even 10.

 

[StrayKAT]

A "lowest end" PC keeps working as it is for over 5 years, even 10.

Not exactly what Microsoft would want to hear.

 

[GoldenX]

That's why it's sales are too low in Latin America. We don't care. We only want value.

 

[StrayKAT]

That's why it's sales are too low in Latin America. We don't care. We only want value.

This isn't good for gaming though. It's no improvement on consoles really. What I want is a baseline (and an upgrade cycle) that isn't as crappy as all that. It drags down the high end/what developers are willing to do as well. Only so much can be scaled up when the base is so poor.

 

[GoldenX]

This isn't good for gaming though. It's no improvement on consoles really. What I want is a baseline (and an upgrade cycle) that isn't as crappy as all that. It drags down the high end/what developers are willing to do as well. Only so much can be scaled up when the base is so poor.

Prices need to be lower, that's the only real incentive to use a PC instead of just a console.

 

[hat]

Prices need to be lower, that's the only real incentive to use a PC instead of just a console.

I think you have that a little backwards. Consoles are attractive because they're cheap... always has been that way. A few years back you could build a PC for roughly the price of a console, but you kinda had to cut corners to do it... but besides price, consoles are also attractive to many because they're simple gaming machines that just work. A PC can potentially come with a lot of issues that require troubleshooting because they're far more complex and there's many more things that can go wrong. On the other hand, they're highly configurable and customizable and you get a lot more options, even when it comes to gaming... but it comes with a heavier price tag, and they're not as easy to use as consoles.

 

[StrayKAT]

I think you have that a little backwards. Consoles are attractive because they're cheap... always has been that way. A few years back you could build a PC for roughly the price of a console, but you kinda had to cut corners to do it... but besides price, consoles are also attractive to many because they're simple gaming machines that just work. A PC can potentially come with a lot of issues that require troubleshooting because they're far more complex and there's many more things that can go wrong. On the other hand, they're highly configurable and customizable and you get a lot more options, even when it comes to gaming... but it comes with a heavier price tag, and they're not as easy to use as consoles.

I think MS could easily change the ease of use factor if they just brought an "Xbox mode" to Windows (I mean, the Xbox basically does run Windows 10 anyways.. and many of the same UWP/universal apps). I won't tell them to entirely throw in the towel, but this would be a cool addition. It's something Sony can't fall back on, and they should capitalize on it.

That said, installing and configuring games wouldn't be as easy (unless MS also upped the offerings in it's MS Store and made an Xbox equivalent of that too. Because as it is, there is a one click install easiness to it).

 

[hat]

Running Xbox mode on Windows? Yeah... that'd be called getting an Xbox. Why would they cannibalize their own Xbox sales? Even the current Xbox thing that exists on Windows requires an actual Xbox to stream the game to your PC.

Using a PC really isn't that hard, though... not sure why it has to be easier. This isn't DOS anymore.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

The advantage consoles still have is they are consistent hardware. Developers can adjust their games to be playable in all circumstances, and every player has the same exact gaming environment, player control, and expectation. While I think an Xbox mode on PC would be nice, they have the diverse hardware problem. Some studios are better at testing compatibility, which is not even a concern on a console.

I’ve seen it before where reviewers on PC/Mac pan a game, saying it crashes or is not playable, yet I have no problem at all. It’s as though these reviewers’ PCs don’t meet the minimum requirements, but they still expect an AAA game to run on their laptop with Intel graphics. I know there are ways around this by checking system requirements first, but even that makes people mad because now they can’t buy the game at all. MS’s crossplay might be as good as one could hope for.

 

[StrayKAT]

Running Xbox mode on Windows? Yeah... that'd be called getting an Xbox. Why would they cannibalize their own Xbox sales?

Because they're getting killed. But what they have is another platform (a massively dominant and technically superior one) waiting in the wings. Sony or Nintendo would love to have something like that. Yet Microsoft barely capitalizes on it. The gaming division is still Xbox centric.. and it's a loser in the longterm.

Cut your damn losses already MS, and make PC Gaming Great Again. And you better devote your energy to it before Linux kills you here themselves.

edit: I would have still believed in it if Microsoft was successful at their "Windows everywhere" strategy.... with Desktop, Servers, Mobile, Console, Cars, etc.. all running some variation of the Windows 10 Platform. But they're back to square one: Desktop/Servers. They're just a PC company again, whether they like it or not. It's worse really: It's Microsoft in a slightly smaller PC market. They need to keep what they have, and not see that dwindle away too.

 

[Midland Dog]

pretty sure 2nd gen maxwell did tile based rasterization too