NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Founders Edition Pictured, Tested

[lexluthermiester]

Sometimes it looks like they are trying to kill the desktop market.

Make no mistake, if they could, they would.

 

[EarthDog]

I am excited for more games to support Vulkan.

Vulkan reminds me of Physx... it is there and can be useful in some titles... but isnt a big player.

Vulkan really doesnt seem to have taken hold since its release. Not sure how it can gain traction. Time isnt on its side.

 

[jabbadap]

I am excited for more games to support Vulkan.

Anyway, I hope this also forces AMD to do something as well. But we will wait a while. And I hope prices eventually drop unlike what happened for the last 2 - 3 years.

If one uses only Linux for gaming(as myself), every working DX11 windows only tittle uses Vulkan. So yes it already is huge success on Penguin people.

I.E. both oldish AAA games Witcher 3 and GTAV works very well with DXVK.

 

[Vayra86]

Vulkan reminds me of Physx... it is there and can be useful in some titles... but isnt a big player.

Vulkan really doesnt seem to have taken hold since its release. Not sure how it can gain traction. Time isnt on its side.

I think the only saving grace for Vulkan is widespread ARM adoption and it gaining traction on that.

*I like where this topic is going now, by the way.

And yet they regularly sellout everywhere. Funny that..

Its not surprising for a new gen to sell out in the early days. You saw my userbenchmark adoption rate graph, it peaks, then it plateaus. Its the same with every new product release and doesn't tell us much, because the product is still scarce. There have been multiple press releases about delays and limited stock.

 

[sepheronx]

Vulkan reminds me of Physx... it is there and can be useful in some titles... but isnt a big player.

Vulkan really doesnt seem to have taken hold since its release. Not sure how it can gain traction. Time isnt on its side.

Vulkan was simply a replacement for DX12 to carry a lot of the same functions but work well with Linux. Titles that have it, run well and look nice with it. But you are right, it is still highly limited. Although with Valve's backing, I hope it does improve more. I imagine Intel will show more interest too now they decided to join the dGPU market for 2020.

 

[eidairaman1]

Vulkan reminds me of Physx... it is there and can be useful in some titles... but isnt a big player.

Vulkan really doesnt seem to have taken hold since its release. Not sure how it can gain traction. Time isnt on its side.

Vulkan is a 3D API akin to D3D, physx is physics only.

 

[EarthDog]

Vulkan is a 3D API akin to D3D, physx is physics only.

Ummhmm. Not sure what your point is, however.

My point was to share things that didnt exactly take hold or make as big of waves as they could have in the market. Details arent really relevant here.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ummhmm. Not sure what your name point is, however.

What im getting at is vulkan is a full flaeged api alternative to dx, physx is like rtx merely, not a whole lot added to the graphics of anything.

 

[EarthDog]

Ummhmm. See my edit.

Details....not relevant here. But appreciate the extra info for any who may not know.



....hey look a balloon!!!....drifts away from the subject..........

 

[lexluthermiester]

You saw my userbenchmark adoption rate graph, it peaks, then it plateaus.

Didn't look to closely at it as it was cut off.

 

[Vayra86]

Didn't look to closely at it as it was cut off.

Its nice to look at to get insight in what's happening. There is a clear trend even with the lower RTX GPUs. Relatively low user ratings compared to Pascal, and an early surge of sales followed by stagnation.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

 

[jabbadap]

What im getting at is vulkan is a full flaeged api alternative to dx, physx is like rtx merely, not a whole lot added to the graphics of anything.

Of course it should not add a lot to graphics, it's physics middleware. It adds to physics simulations to make them feel more real life. Audio as audio, graphics as graphics and physics as physics. Ray tracing is replacing rasterizing on rendering pipeline, so it's a new(very old)more realistic way of doing visuals.

 

[EarthDog]

Its nice to look at to get insight in what's happening. There is a clear trend even with the lower RTX GPUs. Relatively low user ratings compared to Pascal, and an early surge of sales followed by stagnation.

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https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

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It may not lie, but premture info ican be premature here. Though I believe the trend, I'd love to see two things...

1. 9xx series to 10xx series adaptation over the same length of time upon 10 series launch to form a base/context. What if 10 series was similar? We dont know..
2. This same chart in a year after it's been in the market.

 

[Vayra86]

It may not lie, but premture info is premature here. Though I believe the trend, I'd love to see two things...

1. 9xx series to 10xx series adaptation over the same length of time upon 10 series launch to form a base/context.
2. This same chart in a year after it's been in the market.

It seems the chart only goes back until March 17, still, seems a bit different. 1080ti has been a steady climb until Sept. 18. 980ti only lost 0.75% market share across the whole chart.

But I think the most telling of it all is User Ratings. The people who reported here also rated their GPU. Not a single RTX GPU gets past 71% rating, most Pascals are much higher.

 

[EarthDog]

I bet it's a steady climb... most will be. Think about it.

The proof in the pudding is adaptation from the the previous gen. Considering the blown out of bm proportion issues, I bet it flattens a bit... but well see it go back up as time goes on.


It's good information...but lacks a proper context to be worth much.

 

[efikkan]

Its nice to look at to get insight in what's happening. There is a clear trend even with the lower RTX GPUs. Relatively low user ratings compared to Pascal, and an early surge of sales followed by stagnation.
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

Market share of what? People on that webpage?
Useless statistics are, well useless.

 

[Vayra86]

Market share of what? People on that webpage?
Useless statistics are, well useless.

Did you even look at the numbers behind this data? The site is free to use and access, everyone has equal opportunity to do this, and there are no credible arguments to say a specific group of enthusiasts benches more x80's than they do x70's or x80ti's.

Statistics are always a slice of reality, and these numbers are pretty solid for statistical purposes:

 

[Vya Domus]

It may not lie, but premture info ican be premature here.

Actually, that's the point. These things haven't been around for long.

 

[efikkan]

Did you even look at the numbers behind this data? The site is free to use and access, everyone has equal opportunity to do this, and there are no credible arguments to say a specific group of enthusiasts benches more x80's than they do x70's or x80ti's.

Statistics are always a slice of reality, and these numbers are pretty solid for statistical purposes:

Do you even know how statistics works?
I politely asked for what kind of market shares these represent? People on that webpage? Statistics from certain stores?

It should be clear that this does not match the real market, as you can see in the Steam Hardware Survey, the GTX 1060 market share is over 11 times greater than RX 580 and RX 480 combined!

 

[jabbadap]

On what planet a 350 USD GPU was ever lower in €? It will be 350€ at the very least, but not likely closer to 375€.

Euro prices are always with VAT. So in Germany $350 is 363.81€ with 19% VAT and her in Finland it would translate to 379.09€ with 24% VAT.

 

[EarthDog]

Actually, that's the point. These things haven't been around for long.

Which tells us we need more info or something to compare it to before we can look at the data and draw those conclusions from it. Hard to say it's more or less without seeing the previous gen's numbers, right?

Again, no context... so it's hard to say there is a difference in adaptation without knowing past info or having more data moving forward.

Premature conclusion drawn.... but I agree the writing is on the wall.

 

[bug]

There's so much toxicity in this thread, I'm not even going to bother reading it all.

This card is about 33% faster than a GTX 1060 6GB, which is an above average generational jump. It's supposed to be selling for $350 (which is a lot), but the GTX 1060 6 GB FE was already $300, almost two years ago. Non-FE could be had for $50 less.

The rumored variant without DXR should be an exact replacement for the GTX 1060, as far as price is concerned.

 

[Vya Domus]

Which tells us we need more info or something to compare it to before we can look at the data and draw those conclusions from it.

The information is there and you can compare it right now, a trend is a trend.

 

[xkm1948]

There's so much toxicity in this thread, I'm not even going to bother reading it all.

This card is about 33% faster than a GTX 1060 6GB, which is an above average generational jump. It's supposed to be selling for $350 (which is a lot), but the GTX 1060 6 GB FE was already $300, almost two years ago. Non-FE could be had for $50 less.

The rumored variant without DXR should be an exact replacement for the GTX 1060, as far as price is concerned.

Exactly. Kinda bizarre that a tech forum hates tech progression.

 

[EarthDog]

The information is there and you can compare it right now, a trend is a trend.

See edit above...

Its 3 months worth of data on 2xxx series... hard to call it anything with such a small dataset, none the less a trend.

Edit: it also isnt proven by these graphs adaptation is slow as we do not have the data to compare last gen over this gen. While that theory is believable, extrapolation of this data to form that conclusion is patently premature from the data we have. Again, I can believe it, but, we dont know as the graphs domt show the info needed to make a conclusion based on facts.