Alleged AMD Ryzen 3000 Series CPU Lineup Leaked by Russian E-Tailer

[efikkan]

They might destroy Intel with this, but the truth is we won't know how devastating this line up is until 2020.

Bare with me: We all know Intel has nothing to respond with for at least 6 months...

Have you forgotten that AMD is still playing catch-up with Intel? They are still quite a bit behind Skylake(2015) in core speed.

But they are a big enough company to withstand even this for that long. However if SunnyCove comes out and their top i9 can't even beat AMD's R5's... Then we will get an idea of how truly bad this is for them... Everyone in the future will look back on Zen 2 as AMD's "SandyBridge moment."

Intel's Ice Lake(Sunny Cove cores) has been ready for 1.5 years already, it's just waiting for the 10nm process to reach high enough volumes.

Furthermore Intel also states multiple times that they expect to use "multiple nodes depending on product type." To me that means Intel will launch a limited amount of 10nm laptop chips Q3/4, and Sunny Cove on desktop will likely be dual 14nm++++ dies "glued" together. Sounds like a massive power hog to me. 100w with 10 cores and an IPC deficit compared to AMD...

Skylake is quite a bit ahead of Zen in terms of IPC, and Ice Lake will push that even further.

I expect AMD to launch some Zen 2 AM4 chips by Q2, and as far as I am aware Intel isn't launching any SunnyCove till the very end of this year.

2019 is certainly going to be the most exciting years for CPUs for ages, perhaps since Athlon 64?
While I do expect Zen 2 AM4 to launch before Ice Lake, March-June vs. mid-to-late 2019, we don't know what kind of volumes AMD and Intel will be shipping.

And then there is the rumored Comet Lake, I don't see where it fits in, is this some kind of stopgap? A backup-plan? Or just plainly untrue?

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Have you forgotten that AMD is still playing catch-up with Intel? They are still quite a bit behind Skylake(2015) in core speed.


Intel's Ice Lake(Sunny Cove cores) has been ready for 1.5 years already, it's just waiting for the 10nm process to reach high enough volumes.


Skylake is quite a bit ahead of Zen in terms of IPC, and Ice Lake will push that even further.


2019 is certainly going to be the most exciting years for CPUs for ages, perhaps since Athlon 64?
While I do expect Zen 2 AM4 to launch before Ice Lake, March-June vs. mid-to-late 2019, we don't know what kind of volumes AMD and Intel will be shipping.

And then there is the rumored Comet Lake, I don't see where it fits in, is this some kind of stopgap? A backup-plan? Or just plainly untrue?

Skylake is 3-4% ahead of zen+ in terms of IPC, unless there was some major development this morning that changed that. 3-4% is not a very big jump, and if AMD's 10-15% increase is to be believed, intel is going to end up further behind AMD then AMD is currently behind intel.

Skylake is way far ahead of zen thanks to intel's superior memory controller and lower latency interconnect and caches. Zen + began to close that gap, improving on all 3 fronts. Their final trick up their sleeve is insane clock speeds, but intel had been smacking into that 5GHz barrier for awhile, and AMD is beginning to catch up there as well. If ryzen 2000 could hit 5 GHz then even in extreme CPU tests the difference would be minimal, even at 4.6 GHz the real world difference in games is nil for most people, unless you are using a 2080ti at 1080p240.

If ryzen 3000 cant clock any higher but arrives with a 15% IPC bump all around, or clocks 200MHz higher with a 10% IPC bump, intel will have the lower performance chips. Its like the late 90s all over again, thunderbird v pentium III.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

what am I supposed to do with all these cores ?

Trans-encode your movie library to H.265 to save space on your drive, stream your gameplay on the same system without dropping packets, use your desktop as a media server while gaming in your house without issues, completed a full system virus scan in under 1 minute, join the Crunchers in TPU, learn client/server processing with a few VMs, learn how to build VMs, start uploading video clips to YouTube, edit those clips so they don't like like they were made on your iPhone, etc.

 

[happita]

Hmmm. I wonder how that 3600X would do against my 7600k. I've always wanted to try some AMD. Unfamiliarity I guess. 4.0/4.8 vs 3.8/4.2 MMmMmm

 

[yeeeeman]

If this turns out to be true, then Intel is in big danger. Nevertheless, this leak looks fake.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Have you forgotten that AMD is still playing catch-up with Intel? They are still quite a bit behind Skylake(2015) in core speed.


Intel's Ice Lake(Sunny Cove cores) has been ready for 1.5 years already, it's just waiting for the 10nm process to reach high enough volumes.


Skylake is quite a bit ahead of Zen in terms of IPC, and Ice Lake will push that even further.


2019 is certainly going to be the most exciting years for CPUs for ages, perhaps since Athlon 64?
While I do expect Zen 2 AM4 to launch before Ice Lake, March-June vs. mid-to-late 2019, we don't know what kind of volumes AMD and Intel will be shipping.

And then there is the rumored Comet Lake, I don't see where it fits in, is this some kind of stopgap? A backup-plan? Or just plainly untrue?

Ice Lake (as far as I am aware) is effectively nearly the same architecture as Skylake. It is the die shrink of Skylake with a couple tweaks (like Ivy Bridge and Broadwell). Therefore I wouldn't assume it will bring anything but increased efficiency due to a smaller node (if that 10nm node ever actually launches). As such I do not see anything Intel has coming out it as any type of threat to AMD (assuming the leaked performance of Zen 2 is correct).

Furthermore there is no difference in IPC currently with Zen+ VS. CoffeeLake. It depends on the application, and even the game. I have seen plenty of games (like battlefield) where AMD actually has slightly better IPC than Intel. If AMD really matches Intel in clockspeeds, and gains even a 10% IPC increase - it is completely lights out.

Yes, 2019-2020 will be awesome years for PC hardware.... especially compared to 2016-2018....

 

[efikkan]

Ice Lake (as far as I am aware) is effectively nearly the same architecture as Skylake. It is the die shrink of Skylake with a couple tweaks (like Ivy Bridge and Broadwell). Therefore I wouldn't assume it will bring anything but increased efficiency due to a smaller node (if that 10nm node ever actually launches). As such I do not see anything Intel has coming out it as any type of threat to AMD (assuming the leaked performance of Zen 2 is correct).

Then you obviously didn't pay attention to Intel's Architecture Day.
Sunny Cove is a newly designed core, and holds at least as many changes as Skylake did in 2015.
Zen 2 on the other hand is an iteration of Zen.

Furthermore there is no difference in IPC currently with Zen+ VS. CoffeeLake. It depends on the application, and even the game.

Nice try, stop trolling.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Gigbyte also listed it it seems but was removed later on or just shopped
View attachment 113901

What's the context behind this? Was this posted on the Gigabyte forums?

Looks like it was faked:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/abxbph
I'm still very skeptical with AdoredTV's specs, like I said elsewhere, the base clocks on some of the CPUs are ludicrous and give it away (4.2 and 4.3Ghz BASE clocks on two of the SKUs).

 

[Captain_Tom]

Then you obviously didn't pay attention to Intel's Architecture Day.
Sunny Cove is a newly designed core, and holds at least as many changes as Skylake did in 2015.
Zen 2 on the other hand is an iteration of Zen.


Nice try, stop trolling.

I just can't get over how hilarious it is that I am accused of being a troll by stating facts. Do the math on this attachment - it took 20% higher clocks for Intel to narrowly win. For all intents and purposes They have the same IPC. All Intel has right now is higher clockspeeds, and they only achieve them with higher energy usage on an absurdly mature process.

As for Sunny Cove's arch changes - we don't know what they will achieve with the changes. Skylake added like 5% IPC btw lol, nothing to brag about.

 

[Imsochobo]

I just can't get over how hilarious it is that I am accused of being a troll by stating facts. Do the math on this attachment - it took 20% higher clocks for Intel to narrowly win. For all intents and purposes They have the same IPC. All Intel has right now is higher clockspeeds, and they only achieve them with higher energy usage on an absurdly mature process.

As for Sunny Cove's arch changes - we don't know what they will achieve with the changes. Skylake added like 5% IPC btw lol, nothing to brag about.

well, one test is not enough.

X299 is equal or surpassed in ipc in many cases, which is impressive.
CFL is something else though, Ryzen is either Leading (where SMT is well utilized) or decompressing using 7zip but all other cases they do loose with good 10% margins.
They are related to just IPC often but often in games it's the latency but they are not far from CFL by any means, easily on par overall if rumors of 10%++ is true, even at 10% + AVX boost will make it a even IPC match depending on task imho.
it's not black and white and an absolute IPC number we should really look at.

 

[Captain_Tom]

well, one test is not enough.

X299 is equal or surpassed in ipc in many cases, which is impressive.
CFL is something else though, Ryzen is either Leading (where SMT is well utilized) or decompressing using 7zip but all other cases they do loose with good 10% margins.
They are related to just IPC often but often in games it's the latency but they are not far from CFL by any means, easily on par overall if rumors of 10%++ is true, even at 10% + AVX boost will make it a even IPC match depending on task imho.
it's not black and white and an absolute IPC number we should really look at.

One test isn't enough for what? 1080p 144Hz gaming is the thing Intel is supposedly best at. It's still around 20% in apps and 10-15% in most 1080p games (the difference in clockspeed):

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_9600K/images/relative-performance-cpu.png

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_9600K/images/relative-performance-games-1920-1080.png


I don't know how anyone can look at those charts and say Intel has an advantage in anything besides clockspeed. It depends on the task, and there will never be an exact or perfect estimate. It depends on what YOU do, but come on this is semantics - the IPC is roughly the same now.

What I am REALLY curious about is how well Zen 2's new architecture improves in gaming applications. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets 20-30% higher IPC in professional apps, but I would be blown away if it could improve IPC by even 10% in 1080p and 1440p gaming. Zen 2 would finally be the upgrade for 144Hz gaming I am looking for when you consider it would also be clocked 20% higher than Zen+.

 

[dicktracy]

Looks like fake and a poor attempt to boost AMD stock.

 

[Xzibit]

Hexus - AMD CES keynote will be used to announce next gen products

"we will be making some exciting announcements about our next-generation products,"

 

[Valantar]

Then you obviously didn't pay attention to Intel's Architecture Day.
Sunny Cove is a newly designed core, and holds at least as many changes as Skylake did in 2015.
Zen 2 on the other hand is an iteration of Zen.

Sunny Cove/Ice Lake is "another iteration of Core" if Zen 2 is another iteration of Zen. Neither is a scratch-built architecture, but both are refinements on an existing one. Sunny Cove has had a long(!) development cycle, but an arch update can net both small and large performance gains, and predicting this without concrete information from the vendor is nigh on impossible as there are far too many variables in play - and vendor-sourced information is usually not really reliable, as they're likely to ... well, try to sell stuff. AMD has semi-promised 10-15% IPC increases across the board, though that might still be an "average" (and is likely to be so), and in some workloads (as is always the case) the refinement might perform identically as the original or even slightly worse - it's highly unlikely for an arch refresh to improve all workloads. As for your statement that Sunny Cove holds "at least as many changes as Skylake did in 2015", that's ... not saying all that much, even if Skylake was a rather significant update over Broadwell, that was more in features and less in actual performance.

I'm not in any doubt that Ice Lake will be the first IPC increase from Intel in years, and it'll likely be good, but there's still a decent chance that AMD might catch up (or close to it) as we haven't seen a >10% IPC improvement for Intel in a single refresh in a decade.

When I bought my 1600X a year and a half ago, I sure wasn't thinking that I'd be tempted to upgrade it this soon, but if the clock speed increases are this good and it's a drop-in replacement, that'll be mighty tempting. Given that this leak is even remotely accurate, of course.

 

[PanicLake]

And for people like you, there are already plenty of CPU choices already available.

These CPUs are squarely aimed at people that like to build ridiculously powerful PCs. Get off your high horse.

1) Check my system specs... see my "high horse" 7year old cpu...
2) You missed the point entirely.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

1) Check my system specs... see my "high horse" 7year old cpu...
2) You missed the point entirely.

So what point were you making by commenting "PC do not exists solely for gaming, exit from your little bubble! "? The comment you were referring to was talking about additional overpowered choices in a positive manner, so what point could you possibly be making other then "your opinion is narrow minded and wrong"?

 

[yeeeeman]

Microarchitectures on PC CPUs these days need to fit all purposes in one package. They need to be very good at low power (5W) but they should also scale for server purposes and have dedicated hardware for specific requirements that HPC and enterprises require.
Intel/AMD reach this goal with various tradeoffs and I think Rome solution with chiplets will be a big hit and many companies will follow suit.
PC hardware cannot be compared to mobile. They have entirely different purposes and focus. You can't say that Apple A12X is better than say a Core i5 or a Ryzen 5, just because it gets higher scores in geekbench.
Also, lets be honest. You could complain about AMD being weak when they had Bulldozer, but now the 10% difference in gaming is just nitpicking. Both are great choices and now the price argument that AMD always used is working very well for them.
We can't say for sure what the situation with Zen 2 and Icelake will be, but we can certainly say that AMD will be in a better position that it was before. The chiplet architecture allows them to play with core counts, to get great yields, to reuse partially bad chiplets for lower end models (say an 12 core could be made from a 8 core chiplet and a 4 core (defective 4) one). We'll see what Intel will use with Ice lake, but I am pretty certain that at least this generation, they will still be stuck with monolithic dies, which is a major downside.
Only time will tell...

 

[efikkan]

CPU performance in gaming is one of those things that doesn't scale forever. The CPU does for the most part just have to be fast enough not to bottleneck the GPU, and CPU performance beyond that usually just gives marginal gains, except for edge cases. This should be good news for AMD, and while Zen 2 is not likely to take the single thread performance crown, Zen 2 might still be the generation where AMD is fast enough that the difference doesn't practically matter for gaming. This really comes down to the specific changes in Zen, gaming performance is not as simple as average IPC times clocks, as gaming is very sensitive to the CPU front-end and to some extent the cache/memory controller.

 

[Super XP]

Bring it on, can't wait for AMD to officially announce ZEN2.

 

[medi01]

What about mobile chips? Not a word?

LOOOL ... Intel lost to AMD "N.E.R.F." guns of Ryzen 1000/2000.
Now they'll get shredded.

Clueless buy blue, so, on financial side of things, Intel will be fine.