Ryzen 3000 listed online early on russian site.

[cdawall]

You should be above such missquotes, yes the data is the same but no the source is allegedly different, allegedly remember, so not fact but not one guy getting hyped on excel.

Thats basically what I said when you quoted me.

Multiple "leaks" same information.

I take any amd leak with a 50lbs bag of salt.

Phenom
Bulldozer
Fury
Polaris
Vega

All hyped as the next greatest thing. What did we end up with? A cpu slower than a c2q, a cpu that was a dumpster fire for 99% of its operational history, a gpu with not enough ram to fill the role it was taxed with, a gpu that amd had to pump the clocks on so far that it started to vastly exceed spec for the motherboard and finally a gpu that was supposed to change the world that competed with an already Gen old maxwell with similar power usage with such a limited release very few gamers could even buy them.

 

[Vya Domus]

All hyped as the next greatest thing. What did we end up with? A cpu slower than a c2q, a cpu that was a dumpster fire for 99% of its operational history, a gpu with not enough ram to fill the role it was taxed with, a gpu that amd had to pump the clocks on so far that it started to vastly exceed spec for the motherboard and finally a gpu that was supposed to change the world that competed with an already Gen old maxwell with similar power usage with such a limited release very few gamers could even buy them.

Grossly exaggerated and none of those things had much to do with the hype anyway. And if you take AMD leaks with bags of salt you might end up with kidney problems when you also look at Nvidia/Intel , because they all did the exact same things as well at some point.

None of them are any better.

 

[SL2]

I wonder how often an improved CPU of an already successful design has been disappointing?
I.e no completely new designs (Willamette, Bulldozer), no upgrades of a non-successful design (any Bulldozer successors), and no plan B's (Kaby lake: lets stay on 14 nm forever).

Edit: I can't come up with anything here..

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Even IF the IPC is totally the same as previous zen we will get the 7nm chip more cores and the higher clock speed for less money.....YES People should be excited&hyped!!

 

[cdawall]

Grossly exaggerated and none of those things had much to do with the hype anyway. And if you take AMD leaks with bags of salt you might end up with kidney problems when you also look at Nvidia/Intel , because they all did the exact same things as well at some point.

None of them are any better.

You act like I don't think the hype machine runs on all streets. AMD's has an entire additional gear especially over the past couple years. I also fail to understand what doesn't have to do with hype.

All of those products were rediculously hyped. Fury as the "overclockers dream", bulldozer well yea the hype train on that almost ran off the tracks.

I trust none of this fake news with amd IPC gains nor do I trust large jumps in clock speed with next to zero tdp gain. If it happens flipping dope. I will be excited to get a 39xx whatever threadripper to replace my 2990wx.

I wonder how often an improved CPU of an already successful design has been disappointing?
I.e no completely new designs (Willamette, Bulldozer), no upgrades of a non-successful design (any Bulldozer successors), and no plan B's (Kaby lake: lets stay on 14 nm forever).

Edit: I can't come up with anything here..

I was pretty disappointed that nothing after ivy Bridge actually has disconcernable performance gains. There were only what 4.5 Intel gens after that? Could take a step back and look at k6-3 as well.

 

[Vya Domus]

You act like I don't think the hype machine runs on all streets.

Unfortunately that's exactly how you sound.

I also fail to understand what doesn't have to do with hype.

Hype is generated by alluding to some feature/characteristic. Let's take the fact that Bulldozer was a "fire dumbster", did AMD or anyone else for that matter ever claimed they were going to run ice cold sipping power ? What did have to do with the hype ?

All of those products were rediculously hyped. Fury as the "overclockers dream"

Sure , remember the 1080 demo overclocked to 2.1 Ghz at just "60c" with the FE cooler letting everyone believe that was also an overclocker's dream ? The 28 core 5 Ghz Intel demo ? I do, if you try and paint AMD as the absolute worst at this it just wont work.

Have they done it ? Yes. Are they the worst ? Highly debatable.

 

[EarthDog]

I take any leak with a 50lbs bag of salt.

FTFY.


Now everyone... cool your jets... they both do this!

 

[SL2]

I was pretty disappointed that nothing after ivy Bridge actually has disconcernable performance gains. There were only what 4.5 Intel gens after that?

Yeah, they were disappointing in some sense, but at least they gave some improvement, the competition was zero though so that's no surprise. After Skylake they fell into the plan B category though.

 

[mastershake575]

I don't want to upgrade for the core count alone, more for the clockrate and IPC uplift. 2700X has an average of 10% deficit against competing Intel CPU in gaming, the rumored 5ghz boost clock of 3700x alone is over that 10%, in addition of the supposed IPC gains, it will be a chip as capable as Intel and twice the cores.

That's understandable but your 2700x can last as long as you want it too, especially since where moving towards higher resolutions (1440/4k) that are less demanding/strict on CPU workload.

These new CPU"s might be fast but lets not kid ourselves, 8 cores and 16 threads at over 4ghz is plenty fast for years to come.

 

[cdawall]

Sure , remember the 1080 demo overclocked to 2.1 Ghz at just "60c" with the FE cooler letting everyone believe that was also an overclocker's dream ? The 28 core 5 Ghz Intel demo ? I do, if you try and paint AMD as the absolute worst at this it just wont work.

At least the 1080 can actually clock to 2.1ghz unlike the fury that could barely break 5% overclocks...

The 5ghz 28c setup I thought was freaking cool. I'm sorry if that doesn't impress you. Should they run giant banners announcing it was cold water? Maybe, but it still did it and it showed AMD had forced Intel to offer an unlocked server setup which is also cool as hell.

FTFY.


Now everyone... cool your jets... they both do this!

I don't even really care that AMD does it. The AMD fanboys that eat it up annoys me. Like I get they are the underdog and they are dropping some impressive bombs, but quite a few bombs have been duds in the past and present.

 

[Metroid]

I have been an Intel CPU consumer for the past 14 years, my last AMD CPU was the Athlon 64 fx-53 in 2004, looking at how things are at moment, it seems AMD will once again have the upper hand and as a true capitalist, these leaks are pointing me to buy an AMD CPU. I'm happy about the current state, if it was not for amd we would be forever with quad-cores for the rest of our lives.

 

[Vario]

I have been an Intel CPU consumer for the past 14 years, my last AMD CPU was the Athlon 64 fx-53 in 2004, looking at how things are at moment, it seems AMD will once again have the upper hand and as a true capitalist, these leaks are pointing me to buy an AMD CPU. I'm happy about the current state, if it was not for amd we would be forever with quad-cores for the rest of our lives.

Hex core Intel on mainstream socket was on the road map before Ryzen.
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...lake-in-2018-digitimes.2485480/#post-38464586

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Thats basically what I said when you quoted me.

Multiple "leaks" same information.

I take any amd leak with a 50lbs bag of salt.

Phenom
Bulldozer
Fury
Polaris
Vega

All hyped as the next greatest thing. What did we end up with? A cpu slower than a c2q, a cpu that was a dumpster fire for 99% of its operational history, a gpu with not enough ram to fill the role it was taxed with, a gpu that amd had to pump the clocks on so far that it started to vastly exceed spec for the motherboard and finally a gpu that was supposed to change the world that competed with an already Gen old maxwell with similar power usage with such a limited release very few gamers could even buy them.

yes same until reviews and benches , that makes sense , but ranting like you have 50lbs of salt in your mouth over stuff you didn't care to buy and use and wont buy or use, well ill leave that to you.
Personally I'm here in this thread to hear rumours, that's all not to hype or play down the same.


And what you said implied it was one guy generating many rumours but whatever i get it.

 

[EarthDog]

I have been an Intel CPU consumer for the past 14 years, my last AMD CPU was the Athlon 64 fx-53 in 2004, looking at how things are at moment, it seems AMD will once again have the upper hand and as a true capitalist, these leaks are pointing me to buy an AMD CPU. I'm happy about the current state, if it was not for amd we would be forever with quad-cores for the rest of our lives.

Also funny considering most PC users dont need more than a quad core. For gamers a quad with HT is just now 'enough but not optimal'. and quads have been out for well over 10 years now.

The need to go wide with a lot of cores is the racket here.

 

[Vario]

I don't even really care that AMD does it. The AMD fanboys that eat it up annoys me. Like I get they are the underdog and they are dropping some impressive bombs, but quite a few bombs have been duds in the past and present.

The AMD hype machine is always much more. Everyone is already suspicious of Nvidia and Intel. AMD hype motto is "I want to Believe". No one worships RTX or Intel's newest iteration of the same bland Lake architecture. Most of the Intel and Nvidia forum purchasers are rather pragmatic. They buy based on the budget to needs. The AMD crew is about an upstart CPU rag tag underdog rebellion fighting the evil empire of Intel.

 

[cdawall]

yes same until reviews and benches , that makes sense , but ranting like you have 50lbs of salt in your mouth over stuff you didn't care to buy and use and wont buy or use, well ill leave that to you.
Personally I'm here in this thread to hear rumours, that's all not to hype or play down the same.


And what you said implied it was one guy generating many rumours but whatever i get it.

Yep the guy with a 2990wx hoping and praying that the 64c model works correctly is not going to want or know rumors for zen2...

The AMD hype machine is always much more. Everyone is already suspicious of Nvidia and Intel. AMD hype motto is "I want to Believe". No one worships RTX or Intel's newest iteration of the same bland Lake architecture. Most of the Intel and Nvidia forum purchasers are rather pragmatic. They buy based on the budget to needs. The AMD crew is about an upstart CPU rag tag underdog rebellion fighting the evil empire of Intel.

Pretty much sums it up. The let down doesn't detract them after over a decade is crazy to me.

 

[the54thvoid]

The AMD hype machine is always much more. Everyone is already suspicious of Nvidia and Intel. AMD hype motto is "I want to Believe". No one worships RTX or Intel's newest iteration of the same bland Lake architecture. Most of the Intel and Nvidia forum purchasers are rather pragmatic.

What about weirdos like me. Top end consumer Nvidia GPU, at the time (1080ti) and an experiment in the first Ryzen?

I'm a tech schizophrenic.

 

[Vario]

What about weirdos like me. Top end consumer Nvidia GPU, at the time (1080ti) and an experiment in the first Ryzen?

I'm a tech schizophrenic.

I don't mind people buying any brand. The original combo ages ago was Athlon 64 and a NVidia 6800GT. I refer to the melodramatic forum fan boys that hype these things out of proportion into an epic struggle of good vs evil. Whole thing always reeks of some kind of promotional astroturfing.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Yep the guy with a 2990wx hoping and praying that the 64c model works correctly is not going to want or know rumors for zen2...



Pretty much sums it up. The let down doesn't detract them after over a decade is crazy to me.

What's wrong with you, a 2990wx is not what you just called shit in the post i noted so minus one on your plus point and people like you add to the drama with now a page ,in a thread full of Bs ,that's nothing to do with the Op.
@Vario @cdawall
Mods could have stepped in already your being so tangential.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You trolls saying it is fake is hilarious, I mean, how can they fake those leaks everywhere, there have been leaks in many places and all seems the same thing over and over and yet some of you trolls say is fake, there is a limit to doubt something and you trolls are underestimating AMD.

Has AMD confirmed that information? No? Oh, Ok. Might be fake..

Also funny considering most PC users dont need more than a quad core.

Rubbish! I use my 6 cores/12 threads all the time. Just not in games. I'm getting cozy with the idea of a Ryzen for my next personal build, but the 3000 series seems like it might be worth waiting for.

 

[xkm1948]

Yep the guy with a 2990wx hoping and praying that the 64c model works correctly is not going to want or know rumors for zen2...



Pretty much sums it up. The let down doesn't detract them after over a decade is crazy to me.

They are not let down simply because they are too sad or angry IRL so they need to invest their emotions in something. Evolution makes us human craving conflicts and tribalism. Same as people who choose sports and fanatically defend their sports team(tribe). Just like over here AMD crazy fans prefer the good underdog AMD vs big bad Intel fight. Usually young and guidable mind prefer those type of conflicts and simplified good vs evil.

 

[Metroid]

Hex core Intel on mainstream socket was on the road map before Ryzen.
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...lake-in-2018-digitimes.2485480/#post-38464586

"Ryzen was introduced in February 2017 with the first products officially announced during AMD's New Horizon summit on December 13, 2016, feature the Zen microarchitecture." As we can see, Intel based that roadmap on ryzen rather than giving consumers what they deserved. Intel has many spies inside AMD and I believe Intel have known about ryzen as earlier as March 2016 and Coffee lake was released on October 5, 2017, which means much later than ryzen. Intel launched a mainstream 6 cores product when amd had an 8 core already and months ahead.

It has been for sometime that I came to despise Intel because they really dont care about their consumers, a new chipset for a new 1151 product, that really made me mad. AMD has been with am4 for quite sometime and it looks like even the 3xxx will work on it.

It's amazing to see people around here siding with Intel, come on, wake up.

 

[EarthDog]

Rubbish! I use my 6 cores/12 threads all the time. Just not in games. I'm getting cozy with the idea of a Ryzen for my next personal build, but the 3000 series seems like it might be worth waiting for.

Arguably, this is an enthusiast website so more here than anywhere. Enthusiasts make up a small number of users overall. The fact remains that most PCs have 4c or less, even with the gaming (steam) crowd (check steam stats).

 

[lexluthermiester]

Arguably, this is an enthusiast website so more here than anywhere. Enthusiasts make up a small number of users overall.

Good point. I keep forgetting that most of us here, myself included, fall into the "power users" class of PC users.

The fact remains that most PCs have 4c or less, even with the gaming (steam) crowd (check steam stats).

For the gaming crowd, who don't do much else, yes.

 

[the54thvoid]

I think what's being lost in this illogical dicussion of practically is that if AMD improve upon Ryzen+, which is highly likely, they'll have a CPU that Intel can be worried about. They went from 3.8 to 4.4(?) Boost from Ryzen 1 to 2. Ryzen 3 can conceivably go just as far. The cores are irrelevant, the frequency, moreso.