TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Aaron_Henderson]

No more that $50, IMO. The 7950GT was a great card, but an 8800GT easily eclipses it.

Well he's asking $50 Canadian...I was thinking of offering $30...think that's a lowball or reasonable offer? It has been listed for two months so obviously not selling for the asking price. I know the 8800GT whoops it...I had a short lived world record with volt modded 8600GT setup for awhile before I finally got an 8800GT. Top cards I've ever owned...X1950 GT AGP, 8800GT, and 290x...they all held their own for many years...my 290x still doing fine for me.

 

[Trekkie4]

True that, Ti420 was a legendary and exceptional card. I miss my Ti4200. Its an Abit Siluro Ti4200 but not the OTES version. It died while I heavily overclocked it and benching 3DMark2001SE Sadly I can't find any Geforce4 Ti's on 2nd hand market. A lot of old cards are just bunch of Gefore2 MX'es and Geforce4 MX'es, along with Radeon 7000/7500 and 9200's.

Surely there's at least one, somewhere out there on sale? If not check out ebay & amazon, Ti4200 is (or at least was) one of the most common models to be seen. Except for maybe "MX" series, which is a whole other story.

I do have a MSI-branded GeForce4 4800SE, which is a very rare model indeed. Never saw (or got to pick up) another one ... it was actually given to me for free from a guy on another (local) forum here in Croatia. According to him, it's been used for professional purpose at some point & then put away into a desk drawer for years, or rather decades.


In fact, I even had 4800SE mounted inside the Visualize Workstation, for several days before the system hanged up with black screen & stopped responding entirely. Which I don't believe it was due to AGP card, as 4800SE is still working today inside another (Athlon XP, Socket A) system.

 

[stinger608]

Well he's asking $50 Canadian...I was thinking of offering $30...think that's a lowball or reasonable offer?

I'd say, go for it man. All the seller can do is refuse the offer. Seeing as how it's been listed for a couple of months the seller could sure take the offer!

 

[lexluthermiester]

I was thinking of offering $30...think that's a lowball or reasonable offer?

$40 CD would be reasonable, $30 CD is a bit lowball. The seller might take it, might not.

 

[dorsetknob]

Well he's asking $50 Canadian...I was thinking of offering $30...think that's a lowball or reasonable offer? It has been listed for two months so obviously not selling for the asking price.

$30 in Mapleleaves is a reasonable offer in the circumstances (been for sale 2 months).
if he counter offers i would go up to $45 (shipped of course).
Cash (or paypal) in the hand has a weird habit of parting things from their current owners

 

[Apocalypsee]

Surely there's at least one, somewhere out there on sale? If not check out ebay & amazon, Ti4200 is (or at least was) one of the most common models to be seen. Except for maybe "MX" series, which is a whole other story.

I do have a MSI-branded GeForce4 4800SE, which is a very rare model indeed. Never saw (or got to pick up) another one ... it was actually given to me for free from a guy on another (local) forum here in Croatia. According to him, it's been used for professional purpose at some point & then put away into a desk drawer for years, or rather decades.


In fact, I even had 4800SE mounted inside the Visualize Workstation, for several days before the system hanged up with black screen & stopped responding entirely. Which I don't believe it was due to AGP card, as 4800SE is still working today inside another (Athlon XP, Socket A) system.

Cool! I really love MSI designed their GeForce4 Ti cards. If I'm not mistaken the Ti4800 are the later version that uses AGP 8X but since it comes close to FX releases and no performance difference its quite rare like you said. Lucky you get that card for free, it looks in good condition

I tried scouring various local online shops and forums but there is none! The weird thing is, there is bunch of new old stocks GeForce FX cards complete with retail boxes and all. Maybe I should try ebay and amazon, though I didn't really trust the former.

 

[MaxiPro800]

Surely there's at least one, somewhere out there on sale? If not check out ebay & amazon, Ti4200 is (or at least was) one of the most common models to be seen. Except for maybe "MX" series, which is a whole other story.

I do have a MSI-branded GeForce4 4800SE, which is a very rare model indeed. Never saw (or got to pick up) another one ... it was actually given to me for free from a guy on another (local) forum here in Croatia. According to him, it's been used for professional purpose at some point & then put away into a desk drawer for years, or rather decades.


In fact, I even had 4800SE mounted inside the Visualize Workstation, for several days before the system hanged up with black screen & stopped responding entirely. Which I don't believe it was due to AGP card, as 4800SE is still working today inside another (Athlon XP, Socket A) system.

MSI must've sure loved to use that cooler, since I have a FX5600 128MB from MSI that uses the exact same cooler.

 

[Trekkie4]

Cool! I really love MSI designed their GeForce4 Ti cards. If I'm not mistaken the Ti4800 are the later version that uses AGP 8X but since it comes close to FX releases and no performance difference its quite rare like you said. Lucky you get that card for free, it looks in good condition

No, I don't think this is strictly related to AGP 8X. I mean you can find Ti4200 that are both AGP 4X & AGP 8X, so I don't think the actual model number had anything to do with AGP interface. But otherwise you're right, and this is also one of the reasons why I feel that 4800 is not worth the time or money. Yes, it is a great (and rare) card by itself, but it's easily outperformed by FX series. Or even Radeon 9600 Pro, another great (DX9) card to mention. So, IMO nVidia totally screwed up the marketing approach for 4800 cards, especially since they already introduced the FX series shortly after. One thing I'd like to point out however is that as of the (in)famous "FX" series, nVidia switched over to DX9 hardware, which was pretty much the only advantage over GF4 series. Even 4800, those were entirely DX8.1 cards, which is one of the reasons why they perform as good in older Windows (95, 98) & DOS. I clearly remember trying DX9 hardware with Voodoo2 SLI cards & having a lot of issues, which is why I eventually settled on using Ti4200.

And yes, my 4800SE works & runs like a charm. Although I could say a thing or two about the performance ... IDK why, but I expected to see better results. In fact, I would say that 4800SE is BARELY faster than OCed Ti4200, which kinda defeats the purpose of getting 4800 to begin with.

I tried scouring various local online shops and forums but there is none! The weird thing is, there is bunch of new old stocks GeForce FX cards complete with retail boxes and all. Maybe I should try ebay and amazon, though I didn't really trust the former.

Right, see ... this is exactly what I'm talking about! Couple of years ago, when I started with Nostalgic Hardware Hardware obsession, you could easily find Ti4200s just about anywhere. I remember seeing several of them on sale locally, one of them was even identical to my Leadtek but without ViVo feature. So, as the time moves on, it's getting more & more difficult to find these cards, just like one day (some time soon) it will be difficult to find decent "FX" cards. So, my advice is to go ahead & grab whatever you had in mind before it gets too late

MSI must've sure loved to use that cooler, since I have a FX5600 128MB from MSI that uses the exact same cooler.

You know what they say ... if it ain't broken, don't fix it! Besides, it looks amazing! One of the beefiest & more impressive (stock) cooling solutions I've seen on AGP cards. Not to mention that it has a backplate ... how many cards back then came with huge heatsink and/or backplate straight out of the factory?

 

[Apocalypsee]

Right, see ... this is exactly what I'm talking about! Couple of years ago, when I started with Nostalgic Hardware Hardware obsession, you could easily find Ti4200s just about anywhere. I remember seeing several of them on sale locally, one of them was even identical to my Leadtek but without ViVo feature. So, as the time moves on, it's getting more & more difficult to find these cards, just like one day (some time soon) it will be difficult to find decent "FX" cards. So, my advice is to go ahead & grab whatever you had in mind before it gets too late

Damnit, that had me sold, I already ordered the X800XT PE there are several AGP cards the store have on sale, but selling 9600Pro the same price as this? Its a no brainer Also older cards like S3 Verge and GeForce 2 GTS, love that card name. GTS, sounds like a sports car.

 

[Trekkie4]

Damnit, that had me sold, I already ordered the X800XT PE there are several AGP cards the store have on sale, but selling 9600Pro the same price as this? Its a no brainer Also older cards like S3 Verge and GeForce 2 GTS, love that card name. GTS, sounds like a sports car.
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Awesome, have fun! People were giving me that "look" when I stockpiled items like Slot-1 motherboards, 3dfx cards, even Creative SB Live, as if I do it for profit, or some sick addiction. One person even (seriously) accused me of OPD, which stands for Obsessive Pentium Disorder!!

But the joke's on them, because those things are now becoming quite difficult to find, at least locally. Wouldn't know what's the situation like on Amazon or Ebay, but I don't remember when was the last time I saw either one of those 3!

 

[Mr.Scott]

Tried to find a decent slot A board lately?

 

[Apocalypsee]

I forgot to test 3DMark2001SE on the Radeon 9550. The stock clock is very low at 250MHz core and 200MHz memory. The stock score is slightly above 7000 3DMarks


Maximum it can run on 3DMark is 440MHz core and 250MHz memory. It only reaches 9874 3DMarks

 

[Peter Lindgren]

Hi! I found some odd hardware you might help me to identify?

 

[Jism]

The first is proberly a generic EGA/VGA card, by looking at the D-SUB connector. Proberly a dual featured BIOS as well lol.

The 2nd is a Add-on card holding a Socket 3 and features a Pentium (586) CPU with MMX. The backend of the card holds place for up to 4 SIMMS and the front of the card lists 2 COM/SERIAL ports.

I think these things where used in either mainframe type of boards. They are not really your upgrade path or something, as you could simply get the Pentium Overdrive for that matter.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The first card is an early VGA card. The connector on the top side was for a series of addin boards that could add things like video capture, video surveillance and TV tuner.

The second card is a Vesa Local Bus socket 7 CPU addin card which was used for mutli-CPU workstations that ran SMP versions of Windows NT. It could take upto a Pentium 233MMX and upto 128MB of EDO ram. Missing from the card is the custom CPU heatsink that came included. The systems these were intended for could take up to 4 such cards at once, but I only ever saw two matched together. The host system did not have CPU or RAM sockets and required at least one of these cards to run.

Haven't seen one of those cards in years. Thanks for posting the pic, that took me back to my early university days. Good times. It's really too bad you don't have a complete system for the card and more than one. For the time they were really very excellent performance machines.

 

[Trekkie4]

Tried to find a decent slot A board lately?

Are you kidding me? I'd get better chances finding a rainbow-colored unicorn!

In all the years, I only got to see one Slot A board. Long time ago, back in 2013, 2014 I was offered one (for free), but not realizing what it is (assuming it was just another Slot-1) I turned the offer down *sigh* Then again, whenever the board was functional or not remains to be the question, because it was buried deep under the pile of computer parts, inside the cardboard box. Without any protection, or foam. Just the board & CPU...

Speaking of OC & specific numbers, here's what I'm running my Leadtek Ti4200 at:

Core Clock frq is 285MHz, with Memory Clock frq at 580MHz. Using ForceWare Win2k/XP drivers v93.71, plus the app called "NVTweak", which allows OCing & other cool (and mostly hidden) features within ForceWare drivers.

On the other hand, I'm running v43.45 under Win98, without OC and/or any other external mods to the drivers.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Are you kidding me? I'd get better chances finding a rainbow-colored unicorn!

In all the years, I only got to see one Slot A board. Long time ago, back in 2013, 2014 I was offered one (for free), but not realizing what it is (assuming it was just another Slot-1) I turned the offer down *sigh* Then again, whenever the board was functional or not remains to be the question, because it was buried deep under the pile of computer parts, inside the cardboard box. Without any protection, or foam. Just the board & CPU...

That's my point.
I actually catch flak for selling them for like $50.
I gave up. I'll just keep them.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Tried to find a decent slot A board lately?

Are you kidding me? I'd get better chances finding a rainbow-colored unicorn!

Um, I'll submit the following for your consideration;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gateway-4000629-Slot-A-650MHz-Athlon-Motherboard/192608165646
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FIC-SD-11-Slot-A-AMD-Motherboard/130914148913
https://www.ebay.com/itm/First-International-Computer-SD-11-Slot-A-AMD-Motherboard/292124188206
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FIC-SD11-Slot-A-Motherboard-6-Month-Warranty/223307610072
Not one of them is more than $65 shipped and several of them have a warranty.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Um, I'll submit the following for your consideration;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gateway-4000629-Slot-A-650MHz-Athlon-Motherboard/192608165646
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FIC-SD-11-Slot-A-AMD-Motherboard/130914148913
https://www.ebay.com/itm/First-International-Computer-SD-11-Slot-A-AMD-Motherboard/292124188206
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FIC-SD11-Slot-A-Motherboard-6-Month-Warranty/223307610072
Not one of them is more than $65 shipped and several of them have a warranty.

And none of them are any good.
1 is OEM (no overclocking), and the other 3 are all FIC boards.
My point was more towards the price anyway. No Slot A boards are cheap anymore. I do appreciate your finds though.

 

[Trekkie4]

Um, I'll submit the following for your consideration;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gateway-4000629-Slot-A-650MHz-Athlon-Motherboard/192608165646
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FIC-SD-11-Slot-A-AMD-Motherboard/130914148913
https://www.ebay.com/itm/First-International-Computer-SD-11-Slot-A-AMD-Motherboard/292124188206
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FIC-SD11-Slot-A-Motherboard-6-Month-Warranty/223307610072
Not one of them is more than $65 shipped and several of them have a warranty.

I'm afraid I'd have to agree with @Mr.Scott on this one. Yes, there /are/ actually several Slot A boards on sale (even locally), but for the absurd amount of money. One of them is Epox EP-7KXA, being advertised for $38. Which, I suppose is still way under previously mentioned $65 mark, but I would never cash out that much money on a 20+yr old component. Even if it's super rare.

On a side note, I had a pretty decent experience with FIC boards... Got two of those in my collection, VB-601 (Slot-1) and both in working condition. In fact, one of them is paired with Pentium II, 350MHz & is powering up my "oldest" RetroMaster, model 1000.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Sorry guys, I never had any problems with FIC boards. The only issue I'd forsee, and this problem would affect any board from that time, is the caps. Might need replacement, which would be an involved but not difficult task. The price is not a major problem either. However, my point was that it was implied that finding one would be difficult. Took a 30second search to find viable options.

1 is OEM (no overclocking)

Not everyone cares about OCing hardware this old.

Which, I suppose is still way under previously mentioned $65 mark, but I would never cash out that much money on a 20+yr old component. Even if it's super rare.

Some people would be happy to just to have a working system for their old SlotA CPU, even if it might need a bit of TLC.

The SD11 was a solid board in it's time and would be nice to have. Not much to complain about really.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Sorry guys, I never had any problems with FIC boards. The only issue I'd forsee, and this problem would affect any board from that time, is the caps. Might need replacement, which would be an involved but not difficult task. The price is not a major problem either. However, my point was that it was implied that finding one would be difficult. Took a 30second search to find viable options.

Not everyone cares about OCing hardware this old.

Some people would be happy to just to have a working system for their old SlotA CPU, even if it might need a bit of TLC.

The SD11 was a solid board in it's time and would be nice to have. Not much to complain about really.

I suppose you're right.
Just speaking from my enthusiast backround. I like the extra.

BTW, that Epox board for $38 is a steal if it's working.

 

[lexluthermiester]

BTW, that Epox board for $38 is a steal if it's working.

Agreed!

 

[Mr.Scott]

Nostalgic benching.
Slot A Pluto 700 w/GFD on an Asus K7V @ 998 on chiller running modded/overclocked Geforce 256 DDR.
I love my old hardware.

 

[Trekkie4]

Agreed!

Well, either way guys I'm flat broke at the moment... Partially because of the holidays, but also because of HiFi which turned out to be quite expensive hobby indeed.

So one way or another, I won't be buying any more components just yet, or even any time soon. Otherwise, I'd even be tempted to pick it up