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Well... at least that price leaves a lot of room for competition, should it materialize.
Well... at least that price leaves a lot of room for competition, should it materialize.
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Software | Win10 Pro x64 / Win7 Ultimate x64 |
That will be 400-500- euro for end user.
While I cannot afford more than 100-200
Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 5900X ||| Intel Core i7-3930K |
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Motherboard | ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR ||| Asus P9X79 WS |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U14S ||| Be Quiet Pure Rock |
Memory | Crucial 2 x 16 GB 3200 MHz ||| Corsair 8 x 8 GB 1333 MHz |
Video Card(s) | MSI GTX 1060 3GB ||| MSI GTX 680 4GB |
Storage | Samsung 970 PRO 512 GB + 1 TB ||| Intel 545s 512 GB + 256 GB |
Display(s) | Asus ROG Swift PG278QR 27" ||| Eizo EV2416W 24" |
Case | Fractal Design Define 7 XL x 2 |
Audio Device(s) | Cambridge Audio DacMagic Plus |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus PX-850 x 2 |
Mouse | Razer Abyssus |
Keyboard | CM Storm QuickFire XT |
Software | Ubuntu |
This generation sucks, for AMD fans.This generation sucks. 1070ti performance for... 1070ti price. Oh except with less ram. What happened to previous gen performance being pushed down a lower tier? RTX on 2070 is awful, this will be worse. I hope AMD price/performance rumors are true.
System Name | Ciel / Akane |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R5 5600X / Intel Core i3 12100F |
Motherboard | Asus Tuf Gaming B550 Plus / Biostar H610MHP |
Cooling | ID-Cooling 224-XT Basic / Stock |
Memory | 2x 16GB Kingston Fury 3600MHz / 2x 8GB Patriot 3200MHz |
Video Card(s) | Gainward Ghost RTX 3060 Ti / Dell GTX 1660 SUPER |
Storage | NVMe Kingston KC3000 2TB + NVMe Toshiba KBG40ZNT256G + HDD WD 4TB / NVMe WD Blue SN550 512GB |
Display(s) | AOC Q27G3XMN / Samsung S22F350 |
Case | Cougar MX410 Mesh-G / Generic |
Audio Device(s) | Kingston HyperX Cloud Stinger Core 7.1 Wireless PC |
Power Supply | Aerocool KCAS-500W / Gigabyte P450B |
Mouse | EVGA X15 / Logitech G203 |
Keyboard | VSG Alnilam / Dell |
Software | Windows 11 |
You can beThere's feedback and there's buying.
The RTX 20 series has been a decent success so far. Whining is what you see from the disgruntled AMD fanboys who have been missing out on high end GPUs for several years now and thus they need to vent out and express their hate. The RTX 20 series dies are huge, the GDDR6 memory is expensive, AMD is far from being competitive and NVIDIA is not a charity and they charge exactly what the market can bear. Whining at pesky forums won't change a thing for NVIDIA. Not actually buying the RTX cards will make them decrease the prices ... but there's no competition to speak of, so what we have is a direct result of a near monopoly on the GPU market due to AMDhaving their hands in their arsesbeing occupied with Ryzen.
System Name | Good enough |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 7900 - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora Edge |
Motherboard | ASRock B650 Pro RS |
Cooling | 2x 360mm NexXxoS ST30 X-Flow, 1x 360mm NexXxoS ST30, 1x 240mm NexXxoS ST30 |
Memory | 32GB - FURY Beast RGB 5600 Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire RX 7900 XT - Alphacool Eisblock Aurora |
Storage | 1x Kingston KC3000 1TB 1x Kingston A2000 1TB, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB |
Display(s) | LG UltraGear 32GN650-B + 4K Samsung TV |
Case | Phanteks NV7 |
Power Supply | GPS-750C |
I'm the only guy here who thinks this price is so normal , this is what the 760 price was like in my country
System Name | Ciel / Akane |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R5 5600X / Intel Core i3 12100F |
Motherboard | Asus Tuf Gaming B550 Plus / Biostar H610MHP |
Cooling | ID-Cooling 224-XT Basic / Stock |
Memory | 2x 16GB Kingston Fury 3600MHz / 2x 8GB Patriot 3200MHz |
Video Card(s) | Gainward Ghost RTX 3060 Ti / Dell GTX 1660 SUPER |
Storage | NVMe Kingston KC3000 2TB + NVMe Toshiba KBG40ZNT256G + HDD WD 4TB / NVMe WD Blue SN550 512GB |
Display(s) | AOC Q27G3XMN / Samsung S22F350 |
Case | Cougar MX410 Mesh-G / Generic |
Audio Device(s) | Kingston HyperX Cloud Stinger Core 7.1 Wireless PC |
Power Supply | Aerocool KCAS-500W / Gigabyte P450B |
Mouse | EVGA X15 / Logitech G203 |
Keyboard | VSG Alnilam / Dell |
Software | Windows 11 |
Never look at what they charge us here. I look at that $350 mark and see at least $550.Problem is if a 760 was 350$ in your region , this certainly wont be the same.
Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar B650 (wifi) |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 |
Memory | 32GB Kingston Fury |
Video Card(s) | Gainward RTX4070ti |
Storage | Seagate FireCuda 530 M.2 1TB / Samsumg 960 Pro M.2 512Gb |
Display(s) | LG 32" 165Hz 1440p GSYNC |
Case | Asus Prime AP201 |
Audio Device(s) | On Board |
Power Supply | be quiet! Pure POwer M12 850w Gold (ATX3.0) |
Software | W10 |
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (Covered with Cooler Master MasterGel Pro) |
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Motherboard | ASRock B450 Steel Legend, BIOS Version: 10.31 [Beta] |
Cooling | Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML120L V2 RGB, 5x Galax Vortex Wind-02 (3x Front Intake + 2x Top exhaust) |
Memory | Kingston FURY Beast RGB 3600 MT/s 32 GB (4x 8GB), (KF436C17BBA/8) |
Video Card(s) | Palit GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Dual OC |
Storage | Kingston NV2 1 TB |
Display(s) | MSI PRO M251 (HDMI), Running @104 Hz |
Case | Cooler Master MasterBox MB520 |
Audio Device(s) | HP H360G USB |
Power Supply | Cooler Master MWE 550 80+ White |
Mouse | HP G200 Black |
Keyboard | Redragon MITRA K551-1 RGB |
Software | Windows 11 Home |
Yeah sure , it will be like 450-500$ in my region.this certainly wont be the same.
System Name | Ciel / Akane |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R5 5600X / Intel Core i3 12100F |
Motherboard | Asus Tuf Gaming B550 Plus / Biostar H610MHP |
Cooling | ID-Cooling 224-XT Basic / Stock |
Memory | 2x 16GB Kingston Fury 3600MHz / 2x 8GB Patriot 3200MHz |
Video Card(s) | Gainward Ghost RTX 3060 Ti / Dell GTX 1660 SUPER |
Storage | NVMe Kingston KC3000 2TB + NVMe Toshiba KBG40ZNT256G + HDD WD 4TB / NVMe WD Blue SN550 512GB |
Display(s) | AOC Q27G3XMN / Samsung S22F350 |
Case | Cougar MX410 Mesh-G / Generic |
Audio Device(s) | Kingston HyperX Cloud Stinger Core 7.1 Wireless PC |
Power Supply | Aerocool KCAS-500W / Gigabyte P450B |
Mouse | EVGA X15 / Logitech G203 |
Keyboard | VSG Alnilam / Dell |
Software | Windows 11 |
Again which part of Do. Not. Buy. It. if you don't like its pricing you don't get? You keep telling more of the same all the time. It's not fast enough, it's damn too expensive, RTX is not implemented anywhere - I get it. I've seen this several thousand times already, mostly on WCCFTech. NVIDIA does not owe you anything. Build a successful GPU company or don't buy NVIDIA GPUs. OK? And keep downvoting me as if it makes your criticism any more valid.
What I see however is that people for some reasons believe that NVIDIA has to sell their GPUs for the prices the people find comfortable. This is not how this world works dammit. Even with communism.
I'm not buying any RTX card because I cannot afford them but that doesn't mean I'll keep complaining how NVIDIA is ripping everyone off. I simply do not care. I know for a fact that when and if AMD releases something competitive NVIDIA will have to lower the prices. I know for a fact that 12nm wasn't the process for this architecture but NVIDIA didn't want to wait for a year or more for the 7nm process to become economically suitable for their GPUs.
P.S. Don't forget to downvote this comment as well. I love hurting people's feelings when they lack grey matter in their brains.
System Name | Purple rain |
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Processor | 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v |
Motherboard | Zee 490 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Noctua D15S |
Memory | 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG |
Case | P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans |
Audio Device(s) | K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless |
Power Supply | Superflower Leadex Gold 850W |
Mouse | G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | A LOT |
Yes, in Europe it will be around 100 euros more than the US dollar MSRP. For example, at launch the GTX 1060 was around 350 euros (the MSRP was 250$ for OEM and 299$ for F.E. ). So i guess this one would be around 450 euros. Thats too much for a middle range card!
System Name | Ciel / Akane |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R5 5600X / Intel Core i3 12100F |
Motherboard | Asus Tuf Gaming B550 Plus / Biostar H610MHP |
Cooling | ID-Cooling 224-XT Basic / Stock |
Memory | 2x 16GB Kingston Fury 3600MHz / 2x 8GB Patriot 3200MHz |
Video Card(s) | Gainward Ghost RTX 3060 Ti / Dell GTX 1660 SUPER |
Storage | NVMe Kingston KC3000 2TB + NVMe Toshiba KBG40ZNT256G + HDD WD 4TB / NVMe WD Blue SN550 512GB |
Display(s) | AOC Q27G3XMN / Samsung S22F350 |
Case | Cougar MX410 Mesh-G / Generic |
Audio Device(s) | Kingston HyperX Cloud Stinger Core 7.1 Wireless PC |
Power Supply | Aerocool KCAS-500W / Gigabyte P450B |
Mouse | EVGA X15 / Logitech G203 |
Keyboard | VSG Alnilam / Dell |
Software | Windows 11 |
Good, now we need the 128-bit variant reviews.
System Name | Intranetusa PC |
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Processor | i7 2600K @ 4GHz |
Motherboard | Asrock P67 Extreme4 |
Cooling | Cooler Master N520 |
Memory | 16GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM |
Video Card(s) | GTX1060 |
Storage | Samsung SSD, Samsung 1TB Spinpoint, Hitachi 2TB |
Case | Cooler Master Elite |
Power Supply | Zalman 750watt PSU |
Software | Windows 7 |
GTX 960: $199
GTX 1060: $249
RTX 2060: $349
"No more cheap generational performance increase for you" - Huang, 2019
System Name | Good enough |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 7900 - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora Edge |
Motherboard | ASRock B650 Pro RS |
Cooling | 2x 360mm NexXxoS ST30 X-Flow, 1x 360mm NexXxoS ST30, 1x 240mm NexXxoS ST30 |
Memory | 32GB - FURY Beast RGB 5600 Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire RX 7900 XT - Alphacool Eisblock Aurora |
Storage | 1x Kingston KC3000 1TB 1x Kingston A2000 1TB, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB |
Display(s) | LG UltraGear 32GN650-B + 4K Samsung TV |
Case | Phanteks NV7 |
Power Supply | GPS-750C |
Good, now we need the 128-bit variant reviews.
System Name | Computer of Theseus |
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Processor | Intel i9-12900KS: 50x Pcore multi @ 1.18Vcore (target 1.275V -100mv offset) |
Motherboard | EVGA Z690 Classified |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S, 2xThermalRight TY-143, 4xNoctua NF-A12x25,3xNF-A12x15, 2xAquacomputer Splitty9Active |
Memory | G-Skill Trident Z5 (32GB) DDR5-6000 C36 F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK |
Video Card(s) | ASUS PROART RTX 4070 Ti-Super OC 16GB, 2670MHz, 0.93V |
Storage | 1x Samsung 970 Pro 512GB NVMe (OS), 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB (data), ASUS BW-16D1HT (BluRay) |
Display(s) | Dell S3220DGF 32" 2560x1440 165Hz Primary, Dell P2017H 19.5" 1600x900 Secondary, Ergotron LX arms. |
Case | Lian Li O11 Air Mini |
Audio Device(s) | Audiotechnica ATR2100X-USB, El Gato Wave XLR Mic Preamp, ATH M50X Headphones, Behringer 302USB Mixer |
Power Supply | Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W 80+ Platinum White, MODDIY 12VHPWR Cable |
Mouse | Zowie EC3-C |
Keyboard | Vortex Multix 87 Winter TKL (Gateron G Pro Yellow) |
Software | Win 10 LTSC 21H2 |
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
System Name | Computer of Theseus |
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Processor | Intel i9-12900KS: 50x Pcore multi @ 1.18Vcore (target 1.275V -100mv offset) |
Motherboard | EVGA Z690 Classified |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S, 2xThermalRight TY-143, 4xNoctua NF-A12x25,3xNF-A12x15, 2xAquacomputer Splitty9Active |
Memory | G-Skill Trident Z5 (32GB) DDR5-6000 C36 F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK |
Video Card(s) | ASUS PROART RTX 4070 Ti-Super OC 16GB, 2670MHz, 0.93V |
Storage | 1x Samsung 970 Pro 512GB NVMe (OS), 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB (data), ASUS BW-16D1HT (BluRay) |
Display(s) | Dell S3220DGF 32" 2560x1440 165Hz Primary, Dell P2017H 19.5" 1600x900 Secondary, Ergotron LX arms. |
Case | Lian Li O11 Air Mini |
Audio Device(s) | Audiotechnica ATR2100X-USB, El Gato Wave XLR Mic Preamp, ATH M50X Headphones, Behringer 302USB Mixer |
Power Supply | Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W 80+ Platinum White, MODDIY 12VHPWR Cable |
Mouse | Zowie EC3-C |
Keyboard | Vortex Multix 87 Winter TKL (Gateron G Pro Yellow) |
Software | Win 10 LTSC 21H2 |
Vega56 should be $350 given it debuted at $399 in 2017. 2060 is $350. The 2060 only has 6GB of VRAM, its going to be bottlenecked by that small amount in just a few years for sure. You can find the 8GB 1070ti for around $350 right now.Hm, I just went through the review at Anandtech, these cards offer essentially the performance of a Vega56 in gaming (they're weaker in compute) and cost significantly less. Yet almost 70% of the visitors voted "too expensive"
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
I looked it up on newegg: Vega 56 starts at $350 and there's only one PowerColor model to be had at this price. Meanwhile, $350 id for 2060 FE, which means we may see cards as "low" as $300 soonish.Vega56 should be $350 given it debuted at $399 in 2017. 2060 is $350. The 2060 only has 6GB of VRAM, its going to be bottlenecked by that small amount in just a few years for sure. You can find the 8GB 1070ti for around $350 right now.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 5900X ||| Intel Core i7-3930K |
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Motherboard | ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR ||| Asus P9X79 WS |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U14S ||| Be Quiet Pure Rock |
Memory | Crucial 2 x 16 GB 3200 MHz ||| Corsair 8 x 8 GB 1333 MHz |
Video Card(s) | MSI GTX 1060 3GB ||| MSI GTX 680 4GB |
Storage | Samsung 970 PRO 512 GB + 1 TB ||| Intel 545s 512 GB + 256 GB |
Display(s) | Asus ROG Swift PG278QR 27" ||| Eizo EV2416W 24" |
Case | Fractal Design Define 7 XL x 2 |
Audio Device(s) | Cambridge Audio DacMagic Plus |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus PX-850 x 2 |
Mouse | Razer Abyssus |
Keyboard | CM Storm QuickFire XT |
Software | Ubuntu |
This performs closer to a RTX 2070 than GTX 1060 did to GTX 1070, so the price is pretty much justified. This card has good value, in fact better value than what AMD is offering. And yet, certain people have problems dealing with the facts, which makes this product a good tool to expose people's biasHm, I just went through the review at Anandtech, these cards offer essentially the performance of a Vega56 in gaming (they're weaker in compute) and cost significantly less. And they draw less power. And they have DXR. Yet almost 70% of the visitors voted "too expensive"
System Name | Computer of Theseus |
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Processor | Intel i9-12900KS: 50x Pcore multi @ 1.18Vcore (target 1.275V -100mv offset) |
Motherboard | EVGA Z690 Classified |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S, 2xThermalRight TY-143, 4xNoctua NF-A12x25,3xNF-A12x15, 2xAquacomputer Splitty9Active |
Memory | G-Skill Trident Z5 (32GB) DDR5-6000 C36 F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK |
Video Card(s) | ASUS PROART RTX 4070 Ti-Super OC 16GB, 2670MHz, 0.93V |
Storage | 1x Samsung 970 Pro 512GB NVMe (OS), 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB (data), ASUS BW-16D1HT (BluRay) |
Display(s) | Dell S3220DGF 32" 2560x1440 165Hz Primary, Dell P2017H 19.5" 1600x900 Secondary, Ergotron LX arms. |
Case | Lian Li O11 Air Mini |
Audio Device(s) | Audiotechnica ATR2100X-USB, El Gato Wave XLR Mic Preamp, ATH M50X Headphones, Behringer 302USB Mixer |
Power Supply | Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W 80+ Platinum White, MODDIY 12VHPWR Cable |
Mouse | Zowie EC3-C |
Keyboard | Vortex Multix 87 Winter TKL (Gateron G Pro Yellow) |
Software | Win 10 LTSC 21H2 |
Yea 6GB is fine if you play only at 1080P. For the price you are paying, it should be 8GB or more. People are starting to move to 4K and this is definitely not enough VRAM.I looked it up on newegg: Vega 56 starts at $350 and there's only one PowerColor model to be had at this price. Meanwhile, $350 id for 2060 FE, which means we may see cards as "low" as $300 soonish.
6GB is enough for what the card can do. 3GB or possibly 4GB models will be a tougher sell, though. At the end of the day, yes, 6GB seems like the bare minimum at $300-350.
Then there's also this: https://www.techspot.com/news/78126-nvidia-might-paying-70-more-memory-rtx-cards.html
If there will be GDDR5 models down the road, those should be priced much more attractively.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
What do you mean "isn't enough"? The cards are reaching Vega56 performance levels. With "only" 6GB.Sapphire announced price reductions on their RX Vega cards, if you can find any.
And 6GB really isn't enough for cards in the $350 price range.
Wtf dude? It's been benchmarked at Anandtech, it does 1440p no problem and 4k if you turn down details. And you're sticking to "6GB is fine if you play only at 1080P"?Yea 6GB is fine if you play only at 1080P. For the price you are paying, it should be 8GB or more. People are starting to move to 4K and this is definitely not enough VRAM.
Which is why why I highlighted the poll resultsThis performs closer to a RTX 2070 than GTX 1060 did to GTX 1070, so the price is pretty much justified. This card has good value, in fact better value than what AMD is offering. And yet, certain people have problems dealing with the facts, which makes this product a good tool to expose people's bias