AMD FX 4350: My first FX build!

[Durvelle27]

Will it pass Ryzen Blender?

So you know my 8350 is at 1.476Vcore and under Ryzen Blender it runs at 1.524.

Do you have Spread Spectrum turned on?



More of a sidegrade with a 2400...

Can’t be serious. Even with a heavy OC on the FX-4350 the stock i5-2400 would still curb stomp it. FX was utter trash with IPC behind nehalem. Not to mention the 4350 isn’t even a true quad core but a 2C/4T CPU

A 2500K would have been a much better choice while also being overclockable and fun clocker at that with actual performance gains. Especially if you were able to achieve 5GHz on the 2500K, man that thing was a monster.

And before anyone says I’m hating on FX, I owned every FX CPU from Bulldozer to Piledriver except the FX-9590 as it seemed like a stupid product from the start.

Here’s my ole trust FX-8350 @5.4GHz

And my old FX-8320 just slightly above 4.8GHz (Could never get it above 4.9GHz)

FX just wasn’t that interesting unless it was from the 8xxx series and even they weren’t performers.

But if FX is what you truly want I still recommend getting a FX 8xxx series, they can be had for under $80 and you can clock the balls off those while having a decent core count putting it above the Phenom II X6 series. The 8350 is the sweet spot and most hit 5GHz easily. All 3 of mine broke past 5GHz with one able to hit 5.7GHz all on water. And this was with only a ASUS M5A97 EVO board which everyone swore couldn’t overclock a FX 8xxx as it would fry it or shutdown atlas I proved all wrong

VRMs with FX wasn’t the issue it was crappy heat sinks and poor ventilation that caused shutdowns or burnouts. Since you’re aiming for above 5GHz even with a FX-4 I recommend slapping a fan over the VRMs and a fan on the back of the motherboard socket as it gets toasty and results in higher CPU temps as well.

 

[Bones]

Most FX chips will get 5.0 without breaking a sweat, that's just a well known fact of it.
I have 2 FX-8300's, both will get 5.0 with ease and if ran at stock they actually pull less wattage than a 8350 does (95W) but like all others once OC'ed it becomes a difference story. It's also weird that the 8300 in truth has better specs than the 8320E does at stock, same wattage and such but the 8300's stock speed and turbo boost is rated a little higher.
Go figure.

I also haven a pair of 9590's too, one is still new as in unused ATM in it's box, but using the other one has shown terrific response to voltage given.

I'll also make a point about the 9xxx line, AMD did overspec the chips in terms of needed voltage to run at their stock speed, the stock voltage of a 9590 for example is actually well over what the chip requires to run at 4.7GHz.

Finding the voltage it needs, using that and no more really does make a difference in how hot the chip gets, not saying the wattage draw itself changes but temps will certainly be better at least.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

You are right ShrimpBrime. AMD overdrive gives the Thermal Margin.
So, you think the 40°C are correct on the CPU. But the 60°C is close to the cpu and i think to the VRMs as well. And it ends up hotter then the CPU itself?

And when AMD overdrive says 1.334V on the CPU and CPU-Z says 1.26V, which one is correct? In the Bios it says 1.33V


Well done storm-chaser

Not sure about cpu-z reading wrong. I'm sure it's bound to happen from time to time. Perhaps the voltage drooped for a moment or cpu-z is just being dumb.

The VRMs have their own temp sensor, the 2 cpu temps is one is CPu internal or Core temp and the other is the socket of the motherboard where the cpu plugs into. You'd cool the backside of the Mainboard PCB to bring down that 60c temp reading you have.

 

[Aerpoweron]

Thank you for the info Shrimp. I have no time today to get more out of the FX8370. Only upping CPU Voltage and setting a higher multiplier does not get far. I have to try the voltage suggestions you posted.
And as Durvelle27 has stated, it should easily handle 5GHz.
But i am still impressed how well the CPU does for gaming. Running with a R9 390X and it can do well on 2560x1440

 

[phill]

Glad to see you've hit your target Tweak that bad boy and see where you end up

 

[storm-chaser]

All 3 of mine broke past 5GHz with one able to hit 5.7GHz all on water. And this was with only a ASUS M5A97 EVO board which everyone swore couldn’t overclock a FX 8xxx as it would fry it or shutdown atlas I proved all wrong

VRMs with FX wasn’t the issue it was crappy heat sinks and poor ventilation that caused shutdowns or burnouts. Since you’re aiming for above 5GHz even with a FX-4 I recommend slapping a fan over the VRMs and a fan on the back of the motherboard socket as it gets toasty and results in higher CPU temps as well.

Nice Clocks. And yes, I do have a 120mm fan on the VRM area, so as to mitigate some of that extra heat. I will try for 5.2Ghz later and let yall know how it works out.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Thank you for the info Shrimp. I have no time today to get more out of the FX8370. Only upping CPU Voltage and setting a higher multiplier does not get far. I have to try the voltage suggestions you posted.
And as Durvelle27 has stated, it should easily handle 5GHz.
But i am still impressed how well the CPU does for gaming. Running with a R9 390X and it can do well on 2560x1440

The only issue with FX processors and nice long pipelines isn't a voltage limitation. it will ALWAYS be a cooling limitation. So if you wanted more speed, you can tackle this in several directions. Typically when maxing a clock speed, people could shut down cores to help with thermal issues.

The processors (most all FX) respond to a whip in cold temps. If any of you had a small pond pump and a 5 gallon bucket of Ice Water, you'd be getting some very decent clocks. probably closer to 5.6ghz all 8 cores benching maybe some gaming too. You don't need radiators this method either....

Can’t be serious. Even with a heavy OC on the FX-4350 the stock i5-2400 would still curb stomp it. FX was utter trash with IPC behind nehalem. Not to mention the 4350 isn’t even a true quad core but a 2C/4T CPU

A 2500K would have been a much better choice while also being overclockable and fun clocker at that with actual performance gains. Especially if you were able to achieve 5GHz on the 2500K, man that thing was a monster.

And before anyone says I’m hating on FX, I owned every FX CPU from Bulldozer to Piledriver except the FX-9590 as it seemed like a stupid product from the start.

But if FX is what you truly want I still recommend getting a FX 8xxx series, they can be had for under $80 and you can clock the balls off those while having a decent core count putting it above the Phenom II X6 series. The 8350 is the sweet spot and most hit 5GHz easily. All 3 of mine broke past 5GHz with one able to hit 5.7GHz all on water. And this was with only a ASUS M5A97 EVO board which everyone swore couldn’t overclock a FX 8xxx as it would fry it or shutdown atlas I proved all wrong

VRMs with FX wasn’t the issue it was crappy heat sinks and poor ventilation that caused shutdowns or burnouts. Since you’re aiming for above 5GHz even with a FX-4 I recommend slapping a fan over the VRMs and a fan on the back of the motherboard socket as it gets toasty and results in higher CPU temps as well.

5.7Ghz on liquid. That isn't easy to do without some chilling. My Geothermal brought my FX-9590 to 5.7ghz at a max clock. Best damn chip I ever had. Did 5200Mhz daily no sweat right after I de-lidded it. Very worth the money only a couple hundred bucks I think I spent on it.

Also on 4+1vrm - Was told I couldn't get 2.0+ volts from the board also.... well I proved it possible
https://valid.x86.fr/cih7iw

EDIT: damn that was a long time ago eh? 2015?! LOL

 

[Durvelle27]

The only issue with FX processors and nice long pipelines isn't a voltage limitation. it will ALWAYS be a cooling limitation. So if you wanted more speed, you can tackle this in several directions. Typically when maxing a clock speed, people could shut down cores to help with thermal issues.

The processors (most all FX) respond to a whip in cold temps. If any of you had a small pond pump and a 5 gallon bucket of Ice Water, you'd be getting some very decent clocks. probably closer to 5.6ghz all 8 cores benching maybe some gaming too. You don't need radiators this method either....



5.7Ghz on liquid. That isn't easy to do without some chilling. My Geothermal brought my FX-9590 to 5.7ghz at a max clock. Best damn chip I ever had. Did 5200Mhz daily no sweat right after I de-lidded it. Very worth the money only a couple hundred bucks I think I spent on it.

Also on 4+1vrm - Was told I couldn't get 2.0+ volts from the board also.... well I proved it possible
https://valid.x86.fr/cih7iw

EDIT: damn that was a long time ago eh? 2015?! LOL

I ran a custom loop

Huge reservoir with ice

3x 240mm rads that we’re 68mm thick all using GT fans 4 a piece on each rad

The best bench sessions were doing the winter when I took my pc outside during sub zero temps around -10 to -15

And man that’s nice. Sadly my board couldn’t handle above 1.72V no matter the CPU.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Yea the thing about FX processors it brings out the cooling mad man in some people. The crazier you get, the better the chip flies. lol.

I did TEC experiements back then too. So much fun. Ran the FX chip on 2 cores and was able to maintain forzen temps for light benching or what have you.
But look at that voltage vs clock speed though. Crazy the effects of chilling in the negative temps.

 

[Durvelle27]

Yea the thing about FX processors it brings out the cooling mad man in some people. The crazier you get, the better the chip flies. lol.

I did TEC experiements back then too. So much fun. Ran the FX chip on 2 cores and was able to maintain forzen temps for light benching or what have you.
But look at that voltage vs clock speed though. Crazy the effects of chilling in the negative temps.
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Thing is I’ve never disabled cores. I ran 5.7GHz on all cores

 

[storm-chaser]

I think this is about maxxed out on my current hardware. I'm happy with the processor so far although I can tell the system isn't as snappy as a high end phenom II chip.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

That's cause any Phenom II at 4.2ghz had more IPC than an FX at 5ghz lol.

Time to push the bus clocks Storm! Start dropping multipliers and go for it! 300bus clocks here we come!!

 

[RevengE]

I'm still rocking my 8350. Had it since the day it came out.

 

[xtreemchaos]

me too.

 

[Jism]

The thing with FX's is, you need proper cooling, properly designed VRM's WITH heatsinks if your ever pushing beyond 4.4Ghz. There it's where going to start pushing electricity plus heat. I have a 4.8GHz 8320 running 24/7 on a 300Mhz HTT (=FSB) with DDR3/2400Mhz. Was a really cool system for the time being but i've ordered a 2700X with 32GB of DDR4 ram to pick up this week.

I was willing todo one more fantastic run with lots of ice possible. It did boot on 5Ghz but the heat was tremendous when running IBT. The 240mm rad coud'nt practically keep up anymore. The pump of the AIO was very limited in flow. But is the 4350 a 2 core / 4 thread thing or a pure 4 core/4thread thing without the extra's a 8350 has? I never was able to disable cores on the Crosshair Z as it came into my mind that disabling core 2, 4 6 and 8 would offer some latency benefits since modules would not share their resources anymore.

When you start OC'ing make sure to put any TDP/current limit aside. Many people seem to hit a wall at 4.4Ghz but it was never the CPU but more a current limit the motherboard was able to supply. So check the cooling and happy clocking. Note: the FX seem to benefit the most from OC'ing the CPU/NB as it would lower any minimum frames in games particulary.

 

[Melvis]

Just make sure you install the two patch files from Microsoft if your running Windows 7 or older so your FX CPU runs properly otherwise you will only get about half the performance you should, it makes a big difference, if your running a newer OS then carry on!

 

[eidairaman1]

Just make sure you install the two patch files from Microsoft if your running Windows 7 or older so your FX CPU runs properly otherwise you will only get about half the performance you should, it makes a big difference, if your running a newer OS then carry on!

I cant remember the 2 but there is also core unparker too

 

[Melvis]

I cant remember the 2 but there is also core unparker too

Which I think is the patches I mean, patches 441065 (4,584 KB) and 441280 (310 KB)

 

[MIRTAZAPINE]

Gonna watch this thread. It makes me wanna continue off my 8320E amd fx for legacy windows that I left off. Abandoned it due to lack of time and especially funds. Found out I have memory bsod not sure if it is the ram or not. Just sold that ram for a lost now and just recently

Although its a 95w cpu it sure run like furnace for for my top down cooler. The msi gaming 970 I have don't seem to keep up well strangely. Gonna try it with rusted nh d15s when I have the opportunity to see where I go to. Yeah my noctua totally rusted badly. Stupid me was trying to remove the oxide layer but ended up stripping the nickel plating.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah I'm happy with 24/7 use, I may revisit my OC with custom loop.

Kinda of surprised you haven't got LQ on it yet. Better OC potential and much less noisy.

 

[eidairaman1]

Kinda of surprised you haven't got LQ on it yet. Better OC potential and much less noisy.

Well really with gaming it's not loud under the extreme case of ryzen blender then yeah it makes noise and by the way I've been living on a couch for over a year plus.

So been in storage.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well really with gaming it's not loud under the extreme case of ryzen blender then yeah it makes noise and by the way I've been living on a couch for over a year plus. So been in storage.

I gave a like not for your misfortune, more because I feel for you.

 

[storm-chaser]

"Low power setting" 4.9Ghz 1.488 volts, 2600Mhz NB, cooling fans on low

 

[Deleted member 185158]

That's Awesome Storm.

Here's a little back in the day eye Candies for you.

FX-8320 @4441Mhz 329 reference clocks. Memory Cas 5 @ 877 Mhz Mushkin Redlines. Did also experiment with Cas 6 at 1000Mhz on the same memory sticks.
Traded this setup with Mr. Scott. I also did de-lid this chip.
PiMod 32M to ensure stability.

 

[storm-chaser]

Now, to fine tuning the ref clock....

Did the mods just delete that last post? No discussion of politics or religion, I get that.

Here is a quick run up to 255Mhz FSB