Intel Core i9-9990XE OEM-only, Even Then it's a Lottery

[R0H1T]

And people called Pentium 4 EE as Emergency Edition... This is Xtreme Emergency then.

This is what happens when life flashes right before your eyes in RTRT, as one Toms editor put it

 

[Ruru]

This is what happens when life flashes right before your eyes in RTRT, as one Toms editor put it

Heh, exactly!

 

[LiveOrDie]

Buy i9-9940X, overclock it. EZ Clap

No a 9940X won't do 5Ghz easy 4.8Ghz is pushing it and seeing intel is plucking there dies now on these chips people will be left with more lemons.

Why anyone with brains would pay over 2000eur/usd for a cherry-picked, factory overclocked 9940X? Like I said, the price goes "Apple", like 100eur/usd for 100MHz when comparing those... Why this instead of the real flagship, 18-core 9980XE? MOAR CLOCKS? Yeah.. Clock speed was the thing when we had Pentium 4.

I'd go for 2990WX anyday instead of this.

Clock speed was the thing? <<<< No they push cores now because they can't push higher clocks ill rather a 14 core running at 5+ Ghz out of the box than a 18 core running at 4Ghz, don't forget these chips mite be able to push higher than 5.1Ghz you mite get lucky and push this chip to 5.5Ghz which would be epic but for that price it is a joke.

 

[Deleted member 158293]

There's always a market for stupid.

Just add enough marketing to make it become mainstream.

 

[Durvelle27]

No a 9940X won't do 5Ghz easy 4.8Ghz is pushing it and seeing intel is plucking there dies now on these chips people will be left with more lemons.



Clock speed was the thing? <<<< No they push cores now because they can't push higher clocks ill rather a 14 core running at 5+ Ghz out of the box than a 18 core running at 4Ghz, don't forget these chips mite be able to push higher than 5.1Ghz you mite get lucky and push this chip to 5.5Ghz which would be epic but for that price it is a joke.

And unless you have an extreme cooler and big PSU you won’t be seeing 5GHz at all. Boost clocks aren’t gurranteed

 

[LiveOrDie]

And unless you have an extreme cooler and big PSU you won’t be seeing 5GHz at all. Boost clocks aren’t gurranteed

Before you start worrying about that on this chip maybe take a step back and look at the Xeon Gold 6138 and the Dominus Extreme, anyone looking at these CPUs would be under water anyways mate.

 

[SIGSEGV]

anyway most of people still wanna buy an intel cpu because amd's cpu is bad, hot and slow.

 

[efikkan]

The issue with that is, at that absurd price you can buy proper Xeon or Epyc with ECC support.

The intent behind this CPU is having many cores without sacrificing core speed, which both Skylake-X, Xeon-W and especially Threadripper and Epyc fail to deliver, there you see core speeds dropping off with increased core count.

But I do hope Intel revisit the idea on 10nm (without the insane TDP); having many cores as fast as possible, rather than sacrificing core speed for more cores.

But all of it is irrelevant for any business if the new CPU has no warranty and non-existent availability. You don't wanna run your professional suite on a purple unicorn, that's why Puget decided to stick with 9980XE, and that's why most reviews still tend to recommend 7980XE over both "refreshes".

Yeah, as I said, there is little point to a product you can't really buy.
And of course, no warranty is definitely a deal breaker.

 

[Durvelle27]

anyway most of people still wanna buy an intel cpu because amd's cpu is bad, hot and slow.

So being less than 10% behind in single threaded apps and ahead in multhreaded apps

Runs much cooler

Is bad

Well I’m glad I own one of those bad CPUs

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why bother with the 9990XE when the 9940X is the exact same unlocked CPU that can be OC'd?..

For a small company like Puget it's a bigger risk, and, as you can see, they decided not to take it.

Fixed that for you, go read Puget's statement again.

Given all of those concerns, the small gains made by the Core i9 9990XE do not seem to justify the risks. We will continue to test this processor and monitor the auctions, but for now we do not believe that offering it would be in the best interests of our customers.

And that is exactly the correct move for them.

 

[Ruru]

Why bother with the 9990XE when the 9940X is the exact same unlocked CPU that can be OC'd?..

I guess some users still think that the higher the clocks are, the better the CPU is. So let's brand this higher than our 9980XE which have more cores!

 

[lexluthermiester]

No a 9940X won't do 5Ghz easy 4.8Ghz is pushing it and seeing intel is plucking there dies now on these chips people will be left with more lemons.

Rubbish, those chips will do 5ghz with proper cooling, just like the previous chips have done.

And unless you have an extreme cooler and big PSU you won’t be seeing 5GHz at all. Boost clocks aren’t guaranteed

No one running that CPU will be doing it on a crap cooler or PSU. They will be using 1000w+ PSU's with either a solid AIO or custom water cooling.

I guess some users still think that the higher the clocks are, the better the CPU is. So let's brand this higher than our 9980XE which have more cores!

Exactly. This is the real reason Intel is doing private auctions for that chip. The enthusiast community isn't going to buying it in large numbers.

 

[notb]

in that case wouldn't it be better and potentially cheaper to just buy a bunch of 9940xe and see which one is most overclockable?

How can buying few 9940XE be cheaper than one 9990XE, when it's $1400 vs $2000?
You have some really interesting arithmetics in your universe...

Why this instead of the real flagship, 18-core 9980XE?
Because this will be MOAR CLOCKS? Yeah.. Clock speed was the thing when we had Pentium 4.

Because for some people it will be much faster.

I'd go for 2990WX anyday instead of this.

Which just shows you're a core warrior and not that interested in actual performance. ;-)

First of all: 2990WX has single-thread performance of server CPUs. 9990XE matches 9900K.
In programs that don't benefit from more than 28 threads (and most don't) it could be up to 50% slower. Yey!

And it gets better.
Because of 2990WX very specific architecture (let's leave it like that) in some scenarios it's actually slower than other Threadrippers (with less cores). For example: it's awful for running databases. For reasons unknown to me it also struggles with particular programs (e.g. Handbrake).
In real life 2990WX only works for scenarios with high number of independent threads: rendering, MonteCarlo simulation and so on. But even here it's often matched by 7980XE just based on raw single-core potential.

 

[silentbogo]

Why bother with the 9990XE when the 9940X is the exact same unlocked CPU that can be OC'd?..

I think the main pitch was binning and efficiency. Though, I wouldn't trust their 250W TDP on 9990XE either, since 9980XE hits past that mark stock.

 

[Ruru]

Which just shows you're a core warrior and not that interested in actual performance. ;-)

First of all: 2990WX has single-thread performance of server CPUs. 9990XE matches 9900K.
In programs that don't benefit from more than 28 threads (and most don't) it could be up to 50% slower. Yey!

And it gets better.
Because of 2990WX very specific architecture (let's leave it like that) in some scenarios it's actually slower than other Threadrippers (with less cores). For example: it's awful for running databases. For reasons unknown to me it also struggles with particular programs (e.g. Handbrake).
In real life 2990WX only works for scenarios with high number of independent threads: rendering, MonteCarlo simulation and so on. But even here it's often matched by 7980XE just based on raw single-core potential.

I guess. I had a 7700K @ 5.1GHz last spring and I like my Ryzen 5 2600 @ 4.1 more. I truly rather more cores than clock speed. This beast can still run games pretty damn fine.

 

[notb]

I think the main pitch was binning and efficiency. Though, I wouldn't trust their 250W TDP on 9990XE either, since 9980XE hits past that mark stock.

You don't have to worry about it. It's an OEM-only CPU. OEMs will test it and design an appropriate cooling solution.

I guess. I had a 7700K @ 5.1GHz last spring and I like my Ryzen 5 2600 @ 4.1 more. I truly rather more cores than clock speed. This beast can still run games pretty damn fine.

One can actually do more things on PCs than just play games...

 

[Ruru]

One can actually do more things on PCs than just play games...

Someone other maybe, but not me. But who the fuck would get an overpriced, hot-running chip for a workstation?

He would get the 9980XE, similar Xeon or 2970WX/2990WX..

e: fixed the quote

 

[lexluthermiester]

I guess. I had a 7700K @ 5.1GHz last spring and I like my Ryzen 5 2600 @ 4.1 more. I truly rather more cores than clock speed. This beast can still run games pretty damn fine.

I've seen similar sentiments expressed by some of my clients. Ryzen has been hitting all the right notes for people who have upgraded from Intel systems. For that reason, I just don't see anyone but enthusiasts rallying around this CPU.

He would get the 9980XE, similar Xeon or 2970WX/2990WX..

Exactly.

 

[Ruru]

I've seen similar sentiments expressed by some of my clients. Ryzen has been hitting all the right notes for people who have upgraded from Intel systems. For that reason, I just don't see anyone but enthusiasts rallying around this CPU.

Price/performance is damn important to me and Ryzen has it, with almost every model.

 

[SIGSEGV]

So being less than 10% behind in single threaded apps and ahead in multhreaded apps

Runs much cooler

Is bad

Well I’m glad I own one of those bad CPUs

well mate, I was just stating a fact.
there are maybe millions of people who know nothing about AMD's current CPU lineup performance

 

[R0H1T]

Yeah that's true, the sentiment wrt Intel/Nvidia is akin to Apple, sometimes more hype than substance. Also educating the masses about competition i.e. AMD is a herculean effort, I'd go a step further & add I've literally seen people ask - what is AMD

 

[notb]

Yeah that's true, the sentiment wrt Intel/Nvidia is akin to Apple, sometimes more hype than substance. Also educating the masses about competition i.e. AMD is a herculean effort, I'd go a step further & add I've literally seen people ask - what is AMD

So?
Of course people don't know what AMD is. They don't need that information. They want PCs for everyday tasks - be it professional or casual.
If there wasn't an "Intel inside" sticker on every PC, they may know much about Intel either. But stickers work. People tend to know that there's something called Intel in the box. That it's either an i3, i5 or i7. That i7 is best. That's literally all they need to know.

You have to understand that computers are not in the centre of everyone's life. People buy PCs like you buy food or shoes or some else that you're not that interested in.
You need something, you buy the brand you know.

 

[Ruru]

So?
Of course people don't know what AMD is. They don't need that information. They want PCs for everyday tasks - be it professional or casual.
If there wasn't an "Intel inside" sticker on every PC, they may know much about Intel either. But stickers work. People tend to know that there's something called Intel in the box. That it's either an i3, i5 or i7. That i7 is best. That's literally all they need to know.

You have to understand that computers are not in the centre of everyone's life. People buy PCs like you buy food or shoes or some else that you're not that interested in.
You need something, you buy the brand you know.

Why you are defending this insane product?

It's like playing chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces down, craps on the table and claims victory.

 

[Vlada011]

i9-9820X is my favorite, and I don't care is it slower in games than i9-9900K.
It's good processor for great platform and long time investment.

 

[LiveOrDie]

Rubbish, those chips will do 5ghz with proper cooling, just like the previous chips have done.

No one running that CPU will be doing it on a crap cooler or PSU. They will be using 1000w+ PSU's with either a solid AIO or custom water cooling.


Exactly. This is the real reason Intel is doing private auctions for that chip. The enthusiast community isn't going to buying it in large numbers.

LN2 is really a good cooling solution mate.... maybe do some reason before talking out of your ass.