trying the near impossible... most powerful GOD BOX in a miniITX case

xkm1948 · Feb 18, 2019

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OH MY F**ING GOD

venturi · Feb 18, 2019

XXL_AI said:
Titan V at full load can consume up to 300W when it peaks, 4 of them so it is 1200W for the GPU, each CPU is rated for 205W but we know intel always lies so count it as 250W, 500W for CPU, I didn't even count the ram sticks and ssds here and it is already reached to 1700W peak, you have 1600W, you'll have PSU issues if you want to run deep learning/machine learning applications at the long run.

but, since you are running windows and not using all the capability of the machine for running deep learning and only have presumably a single 4K screen you will never going to utilize all the gpus with gaming, even if you push all the limits of the hardware you have you'll stay under 1600W but not much, it'd better to have dual PSU or something at the realm of 2000W at least.

there are tons of tweaks on the nvidia hardware, so if we take those into the consideration, when you want to train a dataset you can halve the gpu power and save up to 700W from GPUs, since dataset training uses barely any cpu, we can add 100W, and another 200W for ram and storage, in the minimum consumption you'll again hit ~1000W it is a small heater and you'll need active airflow on the motherboard which I don't see on your photos. servergrade motherboards rely on active airflow and horizontal usage, you'll damage $30000 build no more than 2 years with active use.

if the room is 73F, how the hell SSD's running at 68F?

It seems to be working and measurements seem cool. The ssd a 68'F. Well, not all components are equal to ambient. A glass of water in a 90'F room isn't necessarily 90'F itself. Maybe drive activity had been low for a while...heck I don't know. I use AIDA for temperature checking. When I touch the SSD stack it feels cool to the touch so the temps are in line. (I just touched it again)

CPU heat sinks are at best lukewarm to the touch. So I'm pretty sure its ok. Bios temp reporting is close to aida reporting as well. So everything seems lined up from two separate tools and touching it.
Seem to be running cool and happy.

I am doing some deep learning in clinical decision support on it and MLP with diagnostic imaging. So far it got the cards warm, but the fans only spun up a little on the gpus. I also use it for 3d reconstruction and so far that seems to run ok.

Thank you, I will look closely in the future and keep an eye out for the issue you enumerated/

xkm1948 said:
384gb ram

384gb ram

384gb ram
384gb ram

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384gb ram

384gb ram

384gb ram

OH MY F**ING GOD

my prior build had 1TB of ram, I feel like I'm taking a step backwards....

oh, and I love your signature!

notb · Feb 18, 2019

venturi said:
A glass of water in a 90'F room isn't necessarily 90'F itself.

Because you just took it out from the fridge?

CPU heat sinks are at best lukewarm to the touch. So I'm pretty sure its ok. Bios temp reporting is close to aida reporting as well. So everything seems lined up from two separate tools and touching it.
Seem to be running cool and happy.

You could build a small house for the price of this server. I'm sure you can afford a basic pyrometer - they're like $20-40 (and $100-200 for models used in labs).

Wavetrex · Feb 18, 2019

Absolute total jaw drop.
Needing a vacuum cleaner to suck all the pieces that were originally my jaw.

@venturi You sir have won the #1 Platinum prize for the most ub3r-1337 g33k in the world.

MrGenius · Feb 18, 2019

Not impressed.....................................….j/k!

Obligatory "Yeah...but will it run Crysis?" :pimp:

XXL_AI · Feb 18, 2019

venturi said:
It seems to be working and measurements seem cool. The ssd a 68'F. Well, not all components are equal to ambient. A glass of water in a 90'F room isn't necessarily 90'F itself. Maybe drive activity had been low for a while...heck I don't know. I use AIDA for temperature checking. When I touch the SSD stack it feels cool to the touch so the temps are in line. (I just touched it again)

CPU heat sinks are at best lukewarm to the touch. So I'm pretty sure its ok. Bios temp reporting is close to aida reporting as well. So everything seems lined up from two separate tools and touching it.
Seem to be running cool and happy.

I am doing some deep learning in clinical decision support on it and MLP with diagnostic imaging. So far it got the cards warm, but the fans only spun up a little on the gpus. I also use it for 3d reconstruction and so far that seems to run ok.

Thank you, I will look closely in the future and keep an eye out for the issue you enumerated/

basic physics.
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa...t=why-do-metals-feel-cold-or-hot-to-the-touch

lexluthermiester · Feb 18, 2019

venturi said:
my prior build had 1TB of ram, I feel like I'm taking a step backwards....

Good Grief! I have 24GB of ram in my current system(which has only once come close to maxing out) and can put up to 96GB in it. I have no idea what I would even do with 384GB of ram, let alone 1TB.

MrGenius said:
Obligatory "Yeah...but will it run Crysis?"

Likely several instances of it given the CPU/RAM/GPU resources.

venturi · Feb 18, 2019

I apologize for not knowing the physics. Maybe near the floor the air is slightly cooler than higher up in the room. Maybe the unit was still cool from our house night time temps, we like it cold.

either way, the ssd stack is cool to the touch. I think aida is relatively accurate in reporting what the various sensors have. Regardless, the unit seems to be running no more than lukewarm.

lexluthermiester said:
Good Grief! I have 24GB of ram in my current system(which has only once come close to maxing out) and can put up to 96GB in it. I have no idea what I would even do with 384GB of ram, let alone 1TB.

have a medical application / db than when I run it on my PC and run a client to talk to it - I've seen usage as high at 210GB of ram. I honestly have not seen more than that from a single application. I have ran multiple simultaneous VM's and that has encroached into high ram usage.

Example: host an EHR with 4 oracle DB, 10-15 client instances and then run a test for a software /DB update while running an end of day billing reports system - -> ram almost used up.

yes, I do on occasion take my work home with me. Its my personal rig, but work always spills over to home.

Wavetrex · Feb 18, 2019

venturi said:
have a medical application / db

Ah, that explains how you can afford this stuff.
Pharma is BIG.

FreedomEclipse · Feb 18, 2019

Great -- so we have our own PharmaBro in the house.

15th Warlock · Feb 18, 2019

So much awesome in this thread! I tip my hat to you sir!

I love that case! :rockout:

Durvelle27 · Feb 18, 2019

Man I need a rig like this in my life.

notb · Feb 18, 2019

lexluthermiester said:
Good Grief! I have 24GB of ram in my current system(which has only once come close to maxing out) and can put up to 96GB in it. I have no idea what I would even do with 384GB of ram, let alone 1TB.

In-memory databases will suck as much as they can. Nothing special really. And if your RAM is much bigger than data on hard drives, they'll make additional indexes or rearranged copies to speed up queries.
With a traditional DB, where data is pulled from the drives, all operations are still done in RAM (and you can have a huge cache).

venturi said:
either way, the ssd stack is cool to the touch. I think aida is relatively accurate in reporting what the various sensors have. Regardless, the unit seems to be running no more than lukewarm.

Yeah, buy a pyrometer, seriously. It'll change your life.

There are many cheap brands on Amazon that I don't know.
Fluke is a good mid-range option known globally: $100, 1.5K accuracy.
https://www.amazon.com/Fluke-MAX-Thermometer-Contact-Degree-x/dp/B008EW837S/

Mussels · Feb 18, 2019

FreedomEclipse said:
Great -- so we have our own PharmaBro in the house.

we finally found out what big pharmas secret agenda is... honestly im okay with this.

FreedomEclipse · Feb 18, 2019

Mussels said:
we finally found out what big pharmas secret agenda is... honestly im okay with this.

Imagine how quick he could climb the F@H or WCG TPU charts if he put that machine into action :laugh:

Vario · Feb 18, 2019

The Antec Spot Cool would be helpful if you ever decide you need active cooling anywhere on the motherboard in the future.

phill · Feb 18, 2019

There's nothing quite like a bit of overkill, I love it

FreedomEclipse said:
Imagine how quick he could climb the F@H or WCG TPU charts if he put that machine into action

I'd just cry at the power consumption

We could always ask @venturi to join our lovely WCG and FAH team

thebluebumblebee · Feb 18, 2019

"uATX case. Nah, I think I'll stuff an SSI EEB board in there." :rockout:

venturi · Feb 18, 2019

thebluebumblebee said:
"uATX case. Nah, I think I'll stuff an SSI EEB board in there."

..well... it wasn't easy... and all KY in the world still required some modding

thebluebumblebee · Feb 18, 2019

Ah, I see your problem. KY is a water based lubricant. You needed to use a silicone grease. Would have made things much less painful.

lexluthermiester · Feb 18, 2019

notb said:
In-memory databases will suck as much as they can. Nothing special really. And if your RAM is much bigger than data on hard drives, they'll make additional indexes or rearranged copies to speed up queries.
With a traditional DB, where data is pulled from the drives, all operations are still done in RAM (and you can have a huge cache).

Excellent points, and those useage models are easy to understand. There can't be too many home users out there with an active/running database though.

venturi said:
..well... it wasn't easy... and all KY in the world still required some modding

thebluebumblebee said:
Ah, I see your problem. KY is a water based lubricant. You needed to use a silicone grease. Would have made things much less painful.

I think they were saying that tongue-in-cheek..

thebluebumblebee · Feb 18, 2019

lexluthermiester said:
I think they were saying that tongue-in-cheek..

And so was I.

notb · Feb 18, 2019

lexluthermiester said:
Excellent points, and those useage models are easy to understand. There can't be too many home users out there with an active/running database though.

Well, that depends. If you're a pro gamer, a surgeon or a journalist, than you're most likely not running databases at home.
If you're a data analyst or a programmer, you most likely do.

I have around 200 "friends" on Facebook - 50 of which I met before university (random), 50 from studies and the rest since I started working.
I'd say 40-50 of 200 have "hobbies" that utilize DBs. By comparison, just 10-20 are regular PC gamers (at least that's how many admits ;-)). By "regular" I mean once a week.

And the possible use of huge RAM doesn't end on databases (or IT stuff in general).
Big renders and video editing will consume a lot as well. Which means you don't really have to know how RAM works (or even how much you have in your OEM-built workstation) to have huge needs.

Will I ever be able to afford 384GB RAM for my home PC? No, quite unlikely. Not unless we get an affordable alternative (like Optane).
Could I use it for my hobbies? Yeah, I can imagine that (even for what I was doing this weekend).

lexluthermiester · Feb 18, 2019

notb said:
Big renders and video editing will consume a lot as well.

I do video editing regularly and can tell you that unless the video work is 2160p+ ultra high bitrate it does not need anywhere near 384GB of ram, let alone 1TB.

notb · Feb 18, 2019

lexluthermiester said:
I do video editing regularly and can tell you that unless the video work is 2160p+ ultra high bitrate it does not need anywhere near 384GB of ram, let alone 1TB.

"unless the video work is 2160p"
Hello 2014?
Yeah, 4K can be dealt with using around 64GB RAM. You'll need double that for comfortable 8K editing.
And while you're at it, why don't you check the bitrate of raw 4K footage, e.g. ARRIRAW?

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trying the near impossible... most powerful GOD BOX in a miniITX case

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