Have you got pie today?

[phill]

Who would be interested in seeing some Pie for yesterday??!!

Spoiler: 21 - 69!!

Fantastic day again everyone I think @Arjai might have to buy a few more systems soon, someone is hot on his heels
Happy crunching everyone What a team!!

 

[phill]

Todays pie will be sponsored by... Ryzen I think?? lol

Spoiler: 21 - 70!!

Many thanks for everyone contributions as always I @Norton is leading the way!!

 

[phill]

Pie for the 11th March 2019!!

Spoiler: 21 - 70!!

Another cracking day everyone Great work

 

[Arjai]

Fantastic day again everyone I think @Arjai might have to buy a few more systems soon, someone is hot on his heels
Happy crunching everyone What a team!!

I won't be buying any more systems, for a spell. I do have 2 boxes currently unplugged. I have a new Belkin Surge protector I need to swap in to power my Farm rack. Currently, I have an i3 2120 that does not have a place to plug in.

I also have nearly everything for my A10/ 580, gaming/entertainment/ cruncher. I just need a chunk of time to sort it out, hopefully before the end of the Month. That's the plan, anyway. Not sure I can hold off @AmioriK taking my 8 spot. We'll see.

 

[hat]

Interesting. I'm about 2k over my average points today (err, or I was, yesterday). I wonder what happened there?

 

[phill]

I won't be buying any more systems, for a spell. I do have 2 boxes currently unplugged. I have a new Belkin Surge protector I need to swap in to power my Farm rack. Currently, I have an i3 2120 that does not have a place to plug in.

I also have nearly everything for my A10/ 580, gaming/entertainment/ cruncher. I just need a chunk of time to sort it out, hopefully before the end of the Month. That's the plan, anyway. Not sure I can hold off @AmioriK taking my 8 spot. We'll see.

Maybe a few Ryzen systems might be the way too go next @Arjai ? Bit more efficiency and a load more grunt

Interesting. I'm about 2k over my average points today (err, or I was, yesterday). I wonder what happened there?

I see sometimes I get over and then the following day I get over points, I do wonder if it's just leveling out over night?? I don't get these points sometimes lol

 

[phill]

Ah, the daily pie chart... Where do you think you ended up yesterday??

Spoiler: 21 - 71!!

Another great day everyone I hope everyone is doing well and ok

 

[phill]

Todays pie for 13th March 2019!!

Spoiler: 21 - 71!!

Amazing work for our top ten crunchers Great day had by all
Until tomorrow everyone

 

[hat]

I wish one day to be able to see my spot without clicking the spoiler...

 

[Arjai]

@hat
I was wishing that same thing, for years!. Then, I found out about old Dell workstations. Granted, they pull 230W's each but, I am in the Top 10.

I will always cherish that! Even when I drop out, this Summer. I will, hopefully, still have the Horsepower to get there again, late next Fall!

Depending on my Bonuses, at work, I may upgrade a couple to Ryzen. I'm thinking I can always get a few bucks out of these T3500's. They are quite good! Or, I may keep them and sell off the i5 2400 or the 3770 or the trio of i3 2120's, IDK.

I like the i3's because they sip power and get good numbers, average per WU is 550 points +.

The 3770, on Win10, is the worst performer. Only 427 points avg per WU!! I am guessing Win10 is, mostly, to blame.

My laptop? 518 on Win 8.1 and it is an i5 3317u, which is a dog versus the 3770! Yet has better numbers.

They both, my 2 Windows machines, run the same profile (My Linux boxes are on a different profile).

 

[AmioriK]

I wish one day to be able to see my spot without clicking the spoiler...

Depending on my Bonuses, at work, I may upgrade a couple to Ryzen..

Ryzen is your friend So much computing power at such little cost. When I checked today, Ryzen 7 1700 is £143 and Ryzen 5 1600X is £125 off Amazon, brand new. B350 boards go as low as 50 or 60 quid. Pretty mental honestly

Sorry, bit of a Ryzen fan here. I even have a couple of Ryzen T-shirts

 

[hat]

Ah, looks like 1366 hardware. Cheap too. There's also some cheap HP computers on eBay with i5 2400s in them...

But my overclocked 2600k does over 5300PPD right now. I'd imagine the 6 core Xeons are roughly the same? I remember having an i7 920 that did roughly 4000 IIRC... Ryzen is way more efficient. I don't know the exact PPD numbers, but it's got to be way more than what I'm looking at right now. Also, space and electricity is at a premium here... given such limits, next year, if anything, I'd like to upgrade to whatever Ryzen 2 chip seems best factoring in price and power. I think we're looking at 16 cores even, on Ryzen desktop chips, with Ryzen 2?

@AmioriK screenshots from your Ryzen rigs showing this would be useful (this is my 2600k system at 4.4GHz):

https://img.techpowerup.org/190314/clipboard01.jpg

Please make sure you're on "host average" and not "user average". Host average shows what that specific rig is doing, user average shows everything on your account, so it doesn't tell you anything about any one specific system.

 

[AmioriK]

I think we're looking at 16 cores even, on Ryzen desktop chips, with Ryzen 2?

I believe so. I think AM4 will support up to 16 cores, the AM4 package Lisa Su showed for Ryzen 2 had traces for a second chiplet, that's 2x 8 core dies. I believe she also essentially confirmed it in an interview at Anandtech, too. For me, I think I'd consider the 12 core Am4 CPU; something with decent stock turbo clocks for gaming, and the threads for crunching, but without the 'halo' price tag.

Interestingly; Intel appears to be readying an answer to this. But I doubt it'll have anywhere near the Perf/watt, as it's still on 14nm. Price'll probably be higher too.

Edit: @hat Here you go. This is a Ryzen 7 1700 at stock, it is using 65-66W in software and running 3.2 GHz all core, on Ubuntu 18.04 LSE

Edit2: here is my 2700X. But it's not Crunching 24/7, more like 18-20/7.

 

[hat]

Neat. I'm guessing we can expect 10k or better out of 16 core Ryzen chips. No idea how much they will cost, though.

 

[mstenholm]

Neat. I'm guessing we can expect 10k or better out of 16 core Ryzen chips. No idea how much they will cost, though.

Even a 1700 will do 10k on Windows with a mix of project and +22k under Linux with Openzika so yes +10k from breakfast to lunch is possible

 

[Arjai]

This from my 1st T3500 w/a xeon 5670 running Mint

 

[AmioriK]

Even a 1700 will do 10k on Windows with a mix of project and +22k under Linux with Openzika so yes +10k from breakfast to lunch is possible

I just let my rigs crunch whatever they want from the client. With that in mind, is everything looking okay-ish with regards to their performance?

This from my 1st T3500 w/a xeon 5670 running Mint

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Xeon 5670? That's Westmere Hexa right? Forgive me if I'm being dumb; but how is that managing to achieve higher performance than my 1700? Wait a sec, am I reading the graph wrong?

 

[Arjai]

Westmere 6core/12thread 32nm CPU, 2.93GHz. They are running at 3.11, on one of my machines, without a cpu fan. I am sure the one w/ extra fan is running at least as fast.

It also appears to be out performing you 2700x, although if I remember, that is not 24/7.

It is a 95W cpu.

 

[AmioriK]

Westmere 6core/12thread 32nm CPU, 2.93GHz. They are running at 3.11, on one of my machines, without a cpu fan. I am sure the one w/ extra fan is running at least as fast.

It also appears to be out performing you 2700x, although if I remember, that is not 24/7.

It is a 95W cpu.

So unless Zen just simply sucks for WCG; something is wrong, right? Unfortunately this has the potential to completely derail my positive thinking these last few days.

 

[hat]

This from my 1st T3500 w/a xeon 5670 running Mint

Damn! That Linux must really be something...

I just let my rigs crunch whatever they want from the client. With that in mind, is everything looking okay-ish with regards to their performance?


Xeon 5670? That's Westmere Hexa right? Forgive me if I'm being dumb; but how is that managing to achieve higher performance than my 1700? Wait a sec, am I reading the graph wrong?

You might have to give it more time. You just started recently, so it's possible that the graph still isn't accurately reflecting your PPD. It's also possible he might have selected only the best projects to go to his machine. Some give more points than others (depending on the specific hardware). Like you, I crunch all projects indiscriminately, which leads to this:

https://www.techpowerup.org/edit?file=/190314/clipboard01609.jpg&key=e51a9a63a6a64975

This is from my Athlon II x4 machine, which has been crunching relatively untouched for a long time. This graph is about as accurate as it gets. It's been crunching more than long enough for the graph to accurately reflect the PPD this rig puts out, so the fluctuations here are due mostly to the work units I get.

Ryzen is the best hardware anyone can get for WCG. Given the excellent price/performance, and performance/power. I don't have any hard data to back me up on this, but I'm assuming a modern 8 core Intel chip should beat an 8 core Ryzen chip in raw performance (think 9900k vs 2700x), but the Ryzen chip is still going to win in price/performance and performance/power. That said, ask @phill about his 5960x. It's an 8 core Haswell chip, and his is clocked somewhere around 4.2GHz I believe... yet he will say a similar Ryzen chip does double what it does, I believe.

 

[AmioriK]

Ryzen is the best hardware anyone can get for WCG. Given the excellent price/performance, and performance/power. I don't have any hard data to back me up on this, but I'm assuming a modern 8 core Intel chip should beat an 8 core Ryzen chip in raw performance (think 9900k vs 2700x), but the Ryzen chip is still going to win in price/performance and performance/power. That said, ask @phill about his 5960x. It's an 8 core Haswell chip, and his is clocked somewhere around 4.2GHz I believe... yet he will say a similar Ryzen chip does double what it does, I believe.

IDK. if a 2010 6/12 at the same speed is 50% faster than 2017 8/16, that looks pretty bad to me.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

@AmioriK , check to see if you're running MIP on those Linux/Ryzen's. They do not get along. I would suggest setting up one of the (crap - WCG is updating so I can't check the correct wording) device profiles without MIP and assign the Linux/Ryzen's to it. It's under settings...
Linux/Ryzen 1700 will get ~10K with MIP, 22K with Zika! Here, check my 1700 running Zika/HST https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/host/detail/4672064/lastDays

Edit: MIP totally rocks on Windows/Intel.

 

[AmioriK]

@AmioriK , check to see if you're running MIP on those Linux/Ryzen's. They do not get along. I would suggest setting up one of the (crap - WCG is updating so I can't check the correct wording) device profiles without MIP and assign the Linux/Ryzen's to it. It's under settings...
Linux/Ryzen 1700 will get ~10K with MIP, 22K with Zika! Here, check my 1700 running Zika/HST https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/host/detail/4672064/lastDays

Edit: MIP totally rocks on Windows/Intel.

How do I do this?

Btw I ran the benchmark and apparently I'm getting like 10x more Integer performance than I should be. Is there a problem with this, should I just install Windows on all my PC's?

http://imgur.com/tw8lFLf

 

[hat]

@AmioriK , check to see if you're running MIP on those Linux/Ryzen's. They do not get along. I would suggest setting up one of the (crap - WCG is updating so I can't check the correct wording) device profiles without MIP and assign the Linux/Ryzen's to it. It's under settings...
Linux/Ryzen 1700 will get ~10K with MIP, 22K with Zika! Here, check my 1700 running Zika/HST https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/host/detail/4672064/lastDays

Edit: MIP totally rocks on Windows/Intel.

Finally, something I can actually navigate to get detailed stats! Now I can get a pretty solid idea of what chips do what.

 

[mstenholm]

How do I do this?

Btw I ran the benchmark and apparently I'm getting like 10x more Integer performance than I should be. Is there a problem with this, should I just install Windows on all my PC's?

http://imgur.com/tw8lFLf

I get 124.000 on my 2700x. No stay with Linux on the AMDs. Look HERE for details on how to set up your profile for an extra 25k PPD.

Edit: I will convert my dedicated W3760 folder/cruncher to Linux as soon as it runs out of work just to see what it will do compared to Windows.