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MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?

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on this rare occasion I agree with @TheGuruStud
msi really have established themselves as one of the most pursued brands
but their z390 lineup has been lacking,and now this,so ........ oh well,there's other brands
 
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Guess I wont be buying MSI next upgrade.
 
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Hmmm, so my MSI B450 with some crappy VRM will support Zen2, but my high end x370 MSI board won't.

Guess I'll avoid them in the future
 
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Fixed that for you.

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EPoX didn't make it on list of brands you miss? Never owned a EPoX board I take it?

They manufactured mainboards for AMD and Intel processors, which were renowned for being overclocker-friendly yet affordable.
 
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this one is easy; don't buy MSI. ASUS, Gigabyte & ASRock are good alternatives.
 
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EPoX didn't make it on list of brands you miss? Never owned a EPoX board I take it?
Not really. I've crossed paths with a few here and there, but not enough to gain a legitimate opinion. I'm like that. If I have no experience with something, I offer no opinion because such would be ill-informed.
 
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MSI is a joke. If they disappear everyone else will just sell more. There's nothing must have or special about them.
Why would there be anything special? They're just a manufacturer. But a big one.

I think some people here don't know the financial context.
MSI, a company heavily focused on gaming stuff (mobo, GPU, laptops) has a yearly revenue of $3.5B.
Asus, doing all kinds of stuff for many consumer segments (and professionals as well) is around $14B.
ASRock, as interesting as it may be, sells for $0.3B. So it's 10x smaller than MSI.
And BTW: AMD revenue is $6.5B.

Don't underestimate this leak. If it's true, it's quite likely other companies will follow.
 
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not that long ago there was news of MSI changing to cheaper components on their tomahawk board, that might be a clue?
 
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Lots of you are recommending Asus boards. I for one won't touch their motherboards with a ten foot pole. They're overpriced compared to the competition (spec-wise) and both performance and reliability are hit and miss. Their top of the line offerings do perform well, but a large part of the top-end boards I've sold come back for RMA. I've had 2 maximus x boards come back with a broken PCI-E slot - apparently Asus didn't bother soldering all 3 of the retaining clips to the PCB and the weight of the owner's video cards made the slot's cover detach from the motherboard, while the pins remained soldered in place. I do love their UEFI design and functionality tough. I've also had returns on Asus Z370 strix boards due to faulty LGA socket locking mechanisms.

Their video cards are even worse - at least the ones using AMD GPUs. I owned a couple of Asus R9 280x (DirectCU II) cards in the past - both started to freeze the system after a few months of use - turns out the video bios was poorly set up and the board's cooling did not properly accommodate the power delivery circuits - that caused them to overheat (temps over 110C) and deliver unstable current. They were both fixed with a modified bios witch dropped the clocks from 1050 to 1000Mhz on the core and upped the vcore a bit - that kept the VRMs from going over 100C in typical usage scenarios. A permanent fix would have been a better cooler. The trend continues with my Asus ROG STRIX Vega64 Gamig OC - alltough a custom designed board, it will not go over 1600MHz. In fact in most cases it hovers around 1550mhz - witch is a really poor clock speed for a custom board. On the other hand, the Frontier Edition Vega64 I picked up off a miner a couple of days ago can go as high as 1700MHz on it's shitty blower style cooler... Asus have really gone down the loo in the last 4-5 years. I haven't owned any nvidia cards made by Asus (I usually stick to Zotac, EVGA or MSI for nvidia cards), maybe those are better. They make good great gaming laptops (stay away from their entry level stuff tough, it's pure garbage) and decent monitors, but that's where I draw the line.

In fact no company makes great products all across their product line...

- Gigabyte - excellent hardware, poor UEFI design and implementation. Hard to navigate and limited options even on some higher end boards. Sometimes overclocking just doesn't work as well as on competitive board. They are pretty reliable boards tough, and are the best value/reliability in my country. They do have a knack of using higher end components and chipsets on low or low-mid end boards - like the GA-AB350M-DS3H. One would thing it's a b350 board right? Well it's not. It's in fact a budget x370 chipset implementation: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AB350M-DS3H-rev-1x#sp

- Biostar - make the best low-end boards I've ever used. Bios isn't bad either. I use their boards whenever I have to sell larger volumes of budget computers. Very few (if any) RMA requests. Their high-end boards aren't bad either - great OC performance, even on AMD platforms, good UEFI implementation and good build quality - the only problem is price. Biostar's flagship boards cost as much (if not more) then an equivalent Asrock or Gigabyte product with the same specs. They're boards are also kind of "chinese" looking (design-wise) and it puts people off.

- MSI - great high-end boards and decent reliability - although they've made some questionable design choices with their latest flagship products. It seems to me they're trying to pass off cost cutting methods as advances or features (talking about their suspicious dual VRMs in particular). Overclocking on their mid-end products is hit and miss. Their high-end stuff is great but hard to come by where I live -and rather expensive. Their mid-range boards are kind of crap - stay away from them. They're low end boars are also great - simple and well priced, good build quality and decent reliability.

- Asrock - excellent high-end boards, and best value/performance/features over anything on the market today. Not the greatest overclockers tough, although they have the hardware for it, some boards simply don't OC as well as they shroud. Asrock is pretty consistent across all their product lineup - so you can't really ever go wrong when buying an asrock board, be it low end or a flagship model.

- EVGA - great product line - probably the best performance + reliability out of the lot - but also the most expensive by far (at least where I'm from), and they limit themselves to intel platforms. Nowadays most uses want* an AMD rig (2600 and 1600x are my best sellers by a huge margin) and EVGA will only make intel and nvidia products. Their loss.

*most of my clients value price/performance over anything else - so they'll only stretch their budget so far. AMD offers 6 cores and 12 theards + motherboard + wraith cooler for 270-310$ while an intel core i5 9600k (cpu alone) is ~300$.
 
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In my book ASUS has the best combination of hardware/software on AM4 second comes MSI , would like to have EVGA as an option but sadly they don't make AM4 .

Asus lost my business with Arez. MSI almost joined that list back then as well.
 
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A good AM4 motherboard costs about 130$ at the moment ... i cant blame the manufacturers if they want so sell more/newer ones.
 
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Why would that be likely?

More FUD? :D
Because their goal is to sell more?

AMD's strategy of long-lasting sockets is harming mobo makers. AMD is taking the profit they would keep in the Intel world.
 

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Because their goal is to sell more?
It's not that simple.
Consumers would possibly be less likely to upgrade their Summit Ridge + 300 series board to an all new 2019 CPU + board because it would cost more when you need a new board.
This would hurt sales of both CPU's and boards. Have you even seen all threads all over the place with 300/400 series boards waiting to be upgraded?

People feel the itch to upgrade, but if you need a new board as well you're likely not as tempted anymore.
Ryzen 1000 Summit Ridge is by no means that bad, and it would only encourage people to wait for the next socket.

As a consequence, if you upgrade anyway, that used 300 board is worth even less when you sell it, just because it won't work with new CPU's. This makes the upgrade even more expensive.

For instance, if MSI were that greedy they'd stop consumers from using Kaby Lake CPU's in 100 series boards. Yes, Intel usually only keep the same socket for only two generations, but this would easily change for the worse if it was as simple as you describe.

Besides, how will this help MSI? The whole internet is pissed off now.
 
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Because their goal is to sell more?

AMD's strategy of long-lasting sockets is harming mobo makers. AMD is taking the profit they would keep in the Intel world.

Just like mobile phone manufacturers shunning removable batteries because it costs them money since consumers buy less new phones.

Bad consumers!
 
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I have a b450 and an x470. I dont care. :peace:
 
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It is so sad to see TPU going the way of Fake News. The fact that TPU no longer seems to understand the difference between a news post and an editorial is disappointing.

To think that MSI doesn't know the customer retention value of a "simple BIOS update".....(I'll get in trouble if I complete this sentence)
Upon what knowledge does the author assert that all it takes is a "simple BIOS update"?

Why does this matter? Because BS like this "news" leads to: (not picking on you @ZoneDymo )
Guess I wont be buying MSI next upgrade.

For the record, I own one of those X370 XPower Titanium motherboards.
 
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It is so sad to see TPU going the way of Fake News. The fact that TPU no longer seems to understand the difference between a news post and an editorial is disappointing.

To think that MSI doesn't know the customer retention value of a "simple BIOS update".....(I'll get in trouble if I complete this sentence)
Upon what knowledge does the author assert that all it takes is a "simple BIOS update"?

Why does this matter? Because BS like this "news" leads to: (not picking on you @ZoneDymo )


For the record, I own one of those X370 XPower Titanium motherboards.

I kinda have to agree, looking at the source... and we have six pages with no new info.

This story falls square in the hard-to-believe category
 
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I really dont understand this, i mean, AMD will quadruple its sales with the ryzen 3000 series and 80% of that will be new users coming from intel and each will have to buy a motherboard, amd user base right now is not big x intel, so why msi is doing this is beyond me.
 
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I know few of my friends purchased high end boards because they knew X370 will support Zen 2 family of processors. At least that is what AMD intended during launch of RyZen. I sure hope that AMD steps into this conflict zone and stop vendors from following this evil trend.
 
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Interesting thread, shows the power of the evil duopoly. MSI are a business too and need fresh new products to sell, but the cult gets mad.
 
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Why would there be anything special? They're just a manufacturer. But a big one.

I think some people here don't know the financial context.
MSI, a company heavily focused on gaming stuff (mobo, GPU, laptops) has a yearly revenue of $3.5B.
Asus, doing all kinds of stuff for many consumer segments (and professionals as well) is around $14B.
ASRock, as interesting as it may be, sells for $0.3B. So it's 10x smaller than MSI.
And BTW: AMD revenue is $6.5B.

Don't underestimate this leak. If it's true, it's quite likely other companies will follow.

Thing is Asus have already released bios updates for their 300 series that supports Zen 2 and Asus is about the only other major vendor that can allow itself to follow such a move so to me looks like MSI is alone on this ! Let's wait for some official statement from MSI cause i have a feeling that if that leak is indeed true they will come back to their decision quickly .

Asus lost my business with Arez. MSI almost joined that list back then as well.

GPP was way to overblown so personally im not going to deprive myself from one of the best manufacturers because of such a story but yeah to each his own i guess ....
 

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MSI also make their GPUs, this is like chopping your hand to end that scratching itch.

A lot of people wont buy MSI to begin with, they wouldn't be missed. I know of a guy who tried to clean his msi 1070 with a can of air, and one of the fan blades broke off. Their quality wont be missed either. Nvidia did it to XFX years ago, they don't give AF. Everyone else gets to make money.
 
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One more reason for me NOT to buy an MSI.
You'd think they would at least honor the commitment AMD made but no......

This along with using the absolutely poorest quality components (Nikos) possible to run in a board just screams "No" to me.

However one good point was brought up, they could all do this because all have with Intel as a point of fact and history seen so far.
 
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