High CPU temp GTA V with new cpu cooler?

[John Naylor]

Each to their own, basically. I prefer the cleaner look with a AIO, and it seems so do a lot of commercially available Systems now.

Quite a few high performance air coolers are nearer £80-99 now, which is nowhere the 3 times cheaper Than a aio you are stating. As I said each to their own.

Well we already proved your AIO choice as "lower in performance" and annoyingly louder.... so why pay more ?

According to https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=99&From=GBP&To=USD

£80-99 = $104 => $128 ... the Scythe is $46, ... 2.78 times is "almost 3 times". Of course in certain area of the world, it's difficult to get many brands without paying huge import fees. For me, it's almost 3 times more. I would have tried to base response on OPs location but my guess is that the Vinewood listed as his location is the Vinewood in GTAV. Even still, at worst, it's going to be close to 2 times. But if your a cooler is going to be that loud, it should be a helluva lot cheaper instead of being even one [insert smallest monetary denomination in any country here] more. If you willing to pay 2-3 ytimes more, why not get an OLC type AIO that doesn't have any of CLCs weaknesses ... all copper, serviceable, can add PRVs, GFX card bocks, has a resevoir, large capacity pumps, typicall half as loud or less and no galvanic corrosion due to no aluminum rads.

But I agree, each will choose what they need for their own reasons ... in the era of instagram, for many folks, that reason is "getting attention / impressing people".

 

[P4-630]

You can accelerate TIM curing by thermal cycling.

I use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, no curing needed as far as I know.

I'm pretty sure that the Asus Z170 Pro Gaming comes equipped with AI Suite which includes FanXpert utility

I was on windows 8.1 before and AI Suite stopped working after a windows update, so I could not use it anymore at that time.
Since I'm on Windows 10 now, there's a new version of Asus IA Suite and I'm using it now.

After some more tweaking and moving a casefan fan my average CPU temp is at around 53C, 57C max with 22C ambient (GTA V).
Lowest temp I've seen was 49C while playing GTA V. (22C ambient).

As far as I know these temps I have now are as good as when using AIO.

 

[John Naylor]

Question:

Does the pressure relief valve need to be set-up, ie calibrated. You can't just add one in & hope it will work. Or am I wrong. Please correct me on this.

Nope, only thing you need to do is screw it in .... provided you have a place to do that.

https://www.frozencpu.com/products/...Black_Sparkle_BP-BSETAIR.html?tl=g30c229s1382
https://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g3...quid_Cooling_Safety-Pressure_Valve-Page1.html

To install however ... you will need

a) custom loop
b) OLC Type AIO
c) Void ya warranty on your CLC

With an OLC Type AIO or custom loop

A. Reservoir of your choice
B. (2) G-1/4 fittings to connect tubing to res
C. The PRV
D. Any fittings necessary to adapt to the connectors.

 

[delshay]

Nope, only thing you need to do is screw it in .... provided you have a place to do that.

https://www.frozencpu.com/products/...Black_Sparkle_BP-BSETAIR.html?tl=g30c229s1382
https://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g3...quid_Cooling_Safety-Pressure_Valve-Page1.html

To install however ... you will need

a) custom loop
b) OLC Type AIO
c) Void ya warranty on your CLC

With an OLC Type AIO or custom loop

A. Reservoir of your choice
B. (2) G-1/4 fittings to connect tubing to res
C. The PRV
D. Any fittings necessary to adapt to the connectors.

Surely all of them don't release pressure at the same level, there must be variations in make & model how they deal with internal pressure.

 

[John Naylor]

I use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, no curing needed as far as I know.

I was on windows 8.1 before and AI Suite stopped working after a windows update, so I could not use it anymore at that time.
Since I'm on Windows 10 now, there's a new version of Asus IA Suite and I'm using it now.

After some more tweaking and moving a casefan fan my average CPU temp is at around 53C, 57C max with 22C ambient (GTA V).
Lowest temp I've seen was 49C while playing GTA V. (22C ambient).

As far as I know these temps I have now are as good as when using AIO.

1. Yes, they "say" that ... monitor manufacturers say that their response times are half what they test at ... when fan manufacturers say 60 cfm and 1.2 SP, that means:

a) it will do 60 cfm at 0.0 SP
b) it will do 0 cfm at 1.2 SP
c) in real world usage it will do about 30 cfm at 0.,60 SP.

I posted a link right under the statement ... here it is again ... actual testing shows otherwise:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...-vs-conductonaut-liquid-metal-73-w-mk.229167/

2. Yes, i saw that after i had posted and read the rest of thread ... here's how i use it:

CPU and CPU_OPT Header => Twin water pumps
CHA_1 Header => Phanteks Hub No. 1 => (6) 140mm 1250 rpm fans on 420mm rad
CHA_2 Header => Phanteks Hub No. 2 => (4) 140mm 1250 rpm fans on 420mm rad
CHA_1 Header => Phanteks Hub No. 3 => (6) 140mm 1250 rpm case fans

a) All fans shut off when CPU temps are < 40C
b) Use the Ramp functions to have Pumps slowly respond to changes in temperature over 30 seconds
c) Have Rad Fans slowly ramp up in response to changes in temperature over 15 seconds and down over 90 seconds ... this removes latent heat from coolant
d) Have case fans respond up and down over 30 seconds.
e) Fan curve starts fans at 40C at 325 rpm and ramps up to 850 rpm at 70C.... never gets there in daily usage w/o running a stress test, usually tops out at 650ish. Fans will ramp up during stress testing to 100% at 80C ...have yet to break 78C

I expect once tested, that cooler will be as good or better than the D15, Scythe Fuma ... that means it will be better than 98+ % of the CLC type AIOs on the market ... and if you test with a noise limit ... say measure temps at 40dba , it will toast every single AIO on the market.

h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYKdKVxbnp8&t=1397s

Go to 23:00 mark ....

Corsair 100i CLC Type AIO = 73C @ 68 dbA
Swiftech H220X OLC Type AIO = 65C @ 43 dbA
Noctua Air Cooler = 70C @ 33 dbA

The all copper OLC type 240mm AIO kicks ass on the CLC 240mm AIO delivering a whopping 8C and to get that close, the CLC AIO has to be 5.7 times as loud. A sound pressure level of 70 dbA is the equivalent of a vacuum cleaner at 1meter ... a sound pressure level of 40 dbA is a quiet library

The air cooler kicks ass on the CLC 240mm AIO delivering an impressive 3C and to get that close, the CLC AIO has to be 11.3 times as loud. A sound pressure level of 70 dbA is the equivalent of a vacuum cleaner at 1meter ... a sound pressure level of 30 dbA is a quiet bedroom at night

Moving on to the 24:15 mark where max npise is limited to 40 dbA ....

Corsair 100i CLC Type AIO = 76C @ 39 dbA
Swiftech H220X OLC Type AIO = 67C @ 40 dbA
Noctua Air Cooler = 70C @ 33 dbA

Well the air cooler can't even get to 40 dbA

The advantage of the OLC over the CLC jumps to 9C
The advantage of the Air Cooler over the CLC jumps to 6C

So yes, I can certainly understand that the CLC has an aesthetic attraction to some and if they want to live with decreased performance and lots of extra noise, I'm fine with that. But the claim that they have a performance advantage is simply not supported by test results.

At equal costs .... no CLC comes close
At equal noise ... it's rare for a CLC to come close
Unrestricted it's rare thing for a CLC to match or beat the better air coolers

Surely all of them don't release pressure at the same level, there must be variations in make & model how they deal with internal pressure.

You can take it up with the manufacturers but ....

a) Scroll down to 100% PWM ... that's the pump Im using, i can't imagine a PC water pump that beats that much and it tops out at 12 psi
https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/swiftech-mcp35x2-pump/6/

b) These valves are typically set to open at about 4.3 - 5.7psi ... remember the diaphragm area is small, I am guessing is about .33" in dia ... so an area of about 0.35 sq.in ... so the max load at 5 psi is going to have a force of about 1.7 pounds

c) It really doesn't matter

This is not like a pressure vessel where you want to maintain pressure and open only when a maximum value is exceeded. Air is trapped in the top of the tube ... it actually doesn't ever need to be closed... it can breathe letting air in or out. As there is no way for more coolant to get in to the closed loop, no real need to worry about water rising in a closed system. ore properly, it's called a pressure equalization valve as negative pressure differential is no less of a danger than positive. We design water and water water system and in these instances, when water can and does rise, the float will rise and close off the air outlet. I use these all the time in pumping systems and it's a similar principle.

I first used one for PC water cooling in the 1990s and several times since ... I have never found one to need or even have a means for adjustment....nor heard of anyone doing such with any forum compadres. The fact that 99% of folks with a custom loop don't bother is a testament that the sketch above works. Water doesn't expand that much over the temperature range typically encountered in a custom loop, air does ... In a properly designed loop, coolant won't vary more than 10C ... highest I have seen was 39C when I turned the fans off.

Here's a description from Aquacomputer

"Pressure equalization membrane for top-side mounting in a reservoir. The membrane permits gas exchange between the cooling loop and the surrounding air, while preventing coolant from escaping. With this membrane, pressure changes caused by temperature variations can be equalized continuously. When installed, the membrane must always be positioned in the air bubble of the reservoir. "

https://www.frozencpu.com/products/...ead_-_Tall_Version_53138.html?tl=g30c229s1382
https://www.frozencpu.com/products/...e_Fitting_-_Nickel_71142.html?tl=g30c229s1382

The larger the volume of coolant / air within the loop, the more likely you are to benefit from such a thing .... however the use of one I think comes more from being a typical nerd (if there's a gadget I'll buy it) than any actual real need. I don't know why these CLCs are exploding ... my guess is it is more likely caused by thermal expansion in the metals as they see much wider delta Ts than custom loops ... I have heard of folks seeing 20C+ Delta T between ambient and coolant temps and Im guessing, it's a fitting or solder seam that can't hand;le the expansion.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Well we already proved your AIO choice as "lower in performance" and annoyingly louder.... so why pay more ?

According to https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=99&From=GBP&To=USD

£80-99 = $104 => $128 ... the Scythe is $46, ... 2.78 times is "almost 3 times". Of course in certain area of the world, it's difficult to get many brands without paying huge import fees. For me, it's almost 3 times more. I would have tried to base response on OPs location but my guess is that the Vinewood listed as his location is the Vinewood in GTAV. Even still, at worst, it's going to be close to 2 times. But if your a cooler is going to be that loud, it should be a helluva lot cheaper instead of being even one [insert smallest monetary denomination in any country here] more. If you willing to pay 2-3 ytimes more, why not get an OLC type AIO that doesn't have any of CLCs weaknesses ... all copper, serviceable, can add PRVs, GFX card bocks, has a resevoir, large capacity pumps, typicall half as loud or less and no galvanic corrosion due to no aluminum rads.

But I agree, each will choose what they need for their own reasons ... in the era of instagram, for many folks, that reason is "getting attention / impressing people".

Another person that for some unknown reason gets annoyed by other peoples personal choice. What does it matter to you if anyone buys a AIO and not a air cooler? it doesn't does it. You should write a book called why I think AIO coolers are crappy

 

[delshay]

You can take it up with the manufacturers but ....

a) Scroll down to 100% PWM ... that's the pump Im using, i can't imagine a PC water pump that beats that much and it tops out at 12 psi
https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/swiftech-mcp35x2-pump/6/

b) These valves are typically set to open at about 4.3 - 5.7psi ... remember the diaphragm area is small, I am guessing is about .33" in dia ... so an area of about 0.35 sq.in ... so the max load at 5 psi is going to have a force of about 1.7 pounds

c) It really doesn't matter

View attachment 121375

This is not like a pressure vessel where you want to maintain pressure and open only when a maximum value is exceeded. Air is trapped in the top of the tube ... it actually doesn't ever need to be closed... it can breathe letting air in or out. As there is no way for more coolant to get in to the closed loop, no real need to worry about water rising in a closed system. ore properly, it's called a pressure equalization valve as negative pressure differential is no less of a danger than positive. We design water and water water system and in these instances, when water can and does rise, the float will rise and close off the air outlet. I use these all the time in pumping systems and it's a similar principle.

I first used one for PC water cooling in the 1990s and several times since ... I have never found one to need or even have a means for adjustment....nor heard of anyone doing such with any forum compadres. The fact that 99% of folks with a custom loop don't bother is a testament that the sketch above works. Water doesn't expand that much over the temperature range typically encountered in a custom loop, air does ... In a properly designed loop, coolant won't vary more than 10C ... highest I have seen was 39C when I turned the fans off.

Here's a description from Aquacomputer

"Pressure equalization membrane for top-side mounting in a reservoir. The membrane permits gas exchange between the cooling loop and the surrounding air, while preventing coolant from escaping. With this membrane, pressure changes caused by temperature variations can be equalized continuously. When installed, the membrane must always be positioned in the air bubble of the reservoir. "

https://www.frozencpu.com/products/...ead_-_Tall_Version_53138.html?tl=g30c229s1382
https://www.frozencpu.com/products/...e_Fitting_-_Nickel_71142.html?tl=g30c229s1382

The larger the volume of coolant / air within the loop, the more likely you are to benefit from such a thing .... however the use of one I think comes more from being a typical nerd (if there's a gadget I'll buy it) than any actual real need. I don't know why these CLCs are exploding ... my guess is it is more likely caused by thermal expansion in the metals as they see much wider delta Ts than custom loops ... I have heard of folks seeing 20C+ Delta T between ambient and coolant temps and Im guessing, it's a fitting or solder seam that can't hand;le the expansion.

Thanks, I understand what you are saying. I Just need to understand a bit more what going on in the first link you provided. I am more used to a air compressor, which has a factory set release valve, but it can be manually overridden to a different settings. This is why I questioned what they are set to in a closed loop, & if any of them has different settings, then they are factory calibrated for different pressure. But like you said, you can leave it open, but it kind of defeats the object of having a fully sealed loop.

That's enough for now, need to educate myself.

 

[P4-630]

1. Yes, they "say" that ... monitor manufacturers say that their response times are half what they test at ... when fan manufacturers say 60 cfm and 1.2 SP, that means:

a) it will do 60 cfm at 0.0 SP
b) it will do 0 cfm at 1.2 SP
c) in real world usage it will do about 30 cfm at 0.,60 SP.

I posted a link right under the statement ... here it is again ... actual testing shows otherwise:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...-vs-conductonaut-liquid-metal-73-w-mk.229167/

2. Yes, i saw that after i had posted and read the rest of thread ... here's how i use it:

CPU and CPU_OPT Header => Twin water pumps
CHA_1 Header => Phanteks Hub No. 1 => (6) 140mm 1250 rpm fans on 420mm rad
CHA_2 Header => Phanteks Hub No. 2 => (4) 140mm 1250 rpm fans on 420mm rad
CHA_1 Header => Phanteks Hub No. 3 => (6) 140mm 1250 rpm case fans

a) All fans shut off when CPU temps are < 40C
b) Use the Ramp functions to have Pumps slowly respond to changes in temperature over 30 seconds
c) Have Rad Fans slowly ramp up in response to changes in temperature over 15 seconds and down over 90 seconds ... this removes latent heat from coolant
d) Have case fans respond up and down over 30 seconds.
e) Fan curve starts fans at 40C at 325 rpm and ramps up to 850 rpm at 70C.... never gets there in daily usage w/o running a stress test, usually tops out at 650ish. Fans will ramp up during stress testing to 100% at 80C ...have yet to break 78C

I expect once tested, that cooler will be as good or better than the D15, Scythe Fuma ... that means it will be better than 98+ % of the CLC type AIOs on the market ... and if you test with a noise limit ... say measure temps at 40dba , it will toast every single AIO on the market.

h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYKdKVxbnp8&t=1397s

Go to 23:00 mark ....

Corsair 100i CLC Type AIO = 73C @ 68 dbA
Swiftech H220X OLC Type AIO = 65C @ 43 dbA
Noctua Air Cooler = 70C @ 33 dbA

The all copper OLC type 240mm AIO kicks ass on the CLC 240mm AIO delivering a whopping 8C and to get that close, the CLC AIO has to be 5.7 times as loud. A sound pressure level of 70 dbA is the equivalent of a vacuum cleaner at 1meter ... a sound pressure level of 40 dbA is a quiet library

The air cooler kicks ass on the CLC 240mm AIO delivering an impressive 3C and to get that close, the CLC AIO has to be 11.3 times as loud. A sound pressure level of 70 dbA is the equivalent of a vacuum cleaner at 1meter ... a sound pressure level of 30 dbA is a quiet bedroom at night

Moving on to the 24:15 mark where max npise is limited to 40 dbA ....

Corsair 100i CLC Type AIO = 76C @ 39 dbA
Swiftech H220X OLC Type AIO = 67C @ 40 dbA
Noctua Air Cooler = 70C @ 33 dbA

Well the air cooler can't even get to 40 dbA

The advantage of the OLC over the CLC jumps to 9C
The advantage of the Air Cooler over the CLC jumps to 6C

So yes, I can certainly understand that the CLC has an aesthetic attraction to some and if they want to live with decreased performance and lots of extra noise, I'm fine with that. But the claim that they have a performance advantage is simply not supported by test results.

At equal costs .... no CLC comes close
At equal noise ... it's rare for a CLC to come close
Unrestricted it's rare thing for a CLC to match or beat the better air coolers



You can take it up with the manufacturers but ....

a) Scroll down to 100% PWM ... that's the pump Im using, i can't imagine a PC water pump that beats that much and it tops out at 12 psi
https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/swiftech-mcp35x2-pump/6/

b) These valves are typically set to open at about 4.3 - 5.7psi ... remember the diaphragm area is small, I am guessing is about .33" in dia ... so an area of about 0.35 sq.in ... so the max load at 5 psi is going to have a force of about 1.7 pounds

c) It really doesn't matter

View attachment 121375

This is not like a pressure vessel where you want to maintain pressure and open only when a maximum value is exceeded. Air is trapped in the top of the tube ... it actually doesn't ever need to be closed... it can breathe letting air in or out. As there is no way for more coolant to get in to the closed loop, no real need to worry about water rising in a closed system. ore properly, it's called a pressure equalization valve as negative pressure differential is no less of a danger than positive. We design water and water water system and in these instances, when water can and does rise, the float will rise and close off the air outlet. I use these all the time in pumping systems and it's a similar principle.

I first used one for PC water cooling in the 1990s and several times since ... I have never found one to need or even have a means for adjustment....nor heard of anyone doing such with any forum compadres. The fact that 99% of folks with a custom loop don't bother is a testament that the sketch above works. Water doesn't expand that much over the temperature range typically encountered in a custom loop, air does ... In a properly designed loop, coolant won't vary more than 10C ... highest I have seen was 39C when I turned the fans off.

Here's a description from Aquacomputer

"Pressure equalization membrane for top-side mounting in a reservoir. The membrane permits gas exchange between the cooling loop and the surrounding air, while preventing coolant from escaping. With this membrane, pressure changes caused by temperature variations can be equalized continuously. When installed, the membrane must always be positioned in the air bubble of the reservoir. "

https://www.frozencpu.com/products/...ead_-_Tall_Version_53138.html?tl=g30c229s1382
https://www.frozencpu.com/products/...e_Fitting_-_Nickel_71142.html?tl=g30c229s1382

The larger the volume of coolant / air within the loop, the more likely you are to benefit from such a thing .... however the use of one I think comes more from being a typical nerd (if there's a gadget I'll buy it) than any actual real need. I don't know why these CLCs are exploding ... my guess is it is more likely caused by thermal expansion in the metals as they see much wider delta Ts than custom loops ... I have heard of folks seeing 20C+ Delta T between ambient and coolant temps and Im guessing, it's a fitting or solder seam that can't hand;le the expansion.

Uhmm... Not sure why you were quoting me.

Final update:

@21.5°C ambient:
Average CPU temperature while playing GTA V: 52°C , minimum temperature while playing GTA V: 47°C , max CPU temp while playing GTA V: 55°C

 

[John Naylor]

Another person that for some unknown reason gets annoyed by other peoples personal choice. What does it matter to you if anyone buys a AIO and not a air cooler? it doesn't does it. You should write a book called why I think AIO coolers are crappy

I by no means get annoyed by personal choice .... I do get annoyed when people justify their biased choices with "alternative facts". If you like CLCs, that's fine ... but when I see false information posted to support personal bias, Im going respond with links to published sources avery time.

Thanks, I understand what you are saying. I Just need to understand a bit more what going on in the first link you provided. I am more used to a air compressor, which has a factory set release valve, but it can be manually overridden to a different settings. This is why I questioned what they are set to in a closed loop, & if any of them has different settings, then they are factory calibrated for different pressure. But like you said, you can leave it open, but it kind of defeats the object of having a fully sealed loop.

Yes, that's a valve designed to protect the structural integrity of a vessel where it's a means of protection ... you want it to maintain a pressure of 200 psi.... but have it release if it gets any bigger. This is different ... above, we want the pressure to be 200 psi differential ... just not over. In a loop we don't want any significant pressure differential is bad. A vaccum in a loop will let air in ... high pressure ina loop will let air out. Kind alike a heat pump in moderate climates.... if you want to maintain 70F in ya living room .... when it gets to 74F it will take heat out of the room ... when it gets to 66F, it will pump heat into the room/.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I by no means get annoyed by personal choice .... I do get annoyed when people justify their biased choices with "alternative facts". If you like CLCs, that's fine ... but when I see false information posted to support personal bias, Im going respond with links to published sources avery time.



Yes, that's a valve designed to protect the structural integrity of a vessel where it's a means of protection ... you want it to maintain a pressure of 200 psi.... but have it release if it gets any bigger. This is different ... above, we want the pressure to be 200 psi differential ... just not over. In a loop we don't want any significant pressure differential is bad. A vaccum in a loop will let air in ... high pressure ina loop will let air out. Kind alike a heat pump in moderate climates.... if you want to maintain 70F in ya living room .... when it gets to 74F it will take heat out of the room ... when it gets to 66F, it will pump heat into the room/.

From your posts it seems more than that, like a hatred of them. I have had a custom loop in the past but not at the moment, maybe again, and i know a clc is not perfect, but they do the job. I understand if you don't like them, but you don't have to post reason and facts as to why you think they're shit every time someone mentions one. Ok you have a Uber fantastic 50gpm custom loop with a pump that cost twice what a good air cooler does and that is fine, but that does not mean CLC's are rubbish.

 

[John Naylor]

Uhmm... Not sure why you were quoting me.

I guess i didn't explain well enough.

1. You said "I use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, no curing needed as far as I know. "

I answered by essentially saying that you assumed that because Grizzly ***said*** that. They said it. but it's not true .... I was giving you examples showing you that there are many examples of PC components where what the marketing folks say ... has little relation to what is fact.

-The Grizzly folks say it doesn't need curing but testing actually show that it does in fact cure.... I linked you to the test results
-I pointed out that the case fan folks say their products produce certain cfm and SP, and testing actually show thta they deliver about half of what's advertised.
-I pointed out that the monitor folks say their products produce certain response times, and testing actually show thta they deliver about twice of what's advertised.

2. You were talking about reinstalling AISuite w/ FanXpert ... I gave you suggestions on how to set it up on your system

3. You said "As far as I know these temps I have now are as good as when using AIO."

i showed you test results showing it should be significantly better and quieter. ... looks like you achieved that from latest results.

From your posts it seems more than that, like a hatred of them. I have had a custom loop in the past but not at the moment, maybe again, and i know a clc is not perfect, but they do the job. I understand if you don't like them, but you don't have to post reason and facts as to why you think they're shit every time someone mentions one. Ok you have a Uber fantastic 50gpm custom loop with a pump that cost twice what a good air cooler does and that is fine, but that does not mean CLC's are rubbish.

Last response ...... To quote the late, great Senator Moynihan "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

I have no comment on your opinion, just your misrepresentation of fact.

Liquid cooling is far more efficient and powerful than air cooling can ever be, whatevaaa

When applied to CLCs, this is a misrepresentation of fact.

6700k run hot anyway

The 6700k doesn't run any hotter than any other i7 other than the 3700k

I think an aio ..... is always going to be more efficient and can be quieter than a air cooler.

This is not supported by testing as has been shown. Can you find an AIO that is quieter than a certain poorly designed Air cooler ... perhaps... but by and large air coolers are almost always quieter ... and certainly quieter than comparably priced of comparable thermal performance. The OP stated he had no interest in an AIO .... trying to change his mind by mistating facts is a disservice.

 

[Vario]

I had an H100i pump fail in just a few months of ownership and I had an H50 fail from a cracked tube that leaked and fluid came out and evaporated. Thankfully I was monitoring temps on the H100i and the H50 was sitting on a shelf and failed, went to reinstall it in a PC and the thing had died just sitting there.

I don't mess with CLC coolers anymore.

Thread is really derailed at this point IMO. OP has a aircooler that performs well.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I guess i didn't explain well enough.

1. You said "I use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, no curing needed as far as I know. "

I answered by essentially saying that you assumed that because Grizzly ***said*** that. They said it. but it's not true .... I was giving you examples showing you that there are many examples of PC components where what the marketing folks say ... has little relation to what is fact.

-The Grizzly folks say it doesn't need curing but testing actually show that it does in fact cure.... I linked you to the test results
-I pointed out that the case fan folks say their products produce certain cfm and SP, and testing actually show thta they deliver about half of what's advertised.
-I pointed out that the monitor folks say their products produce certain response times, and testing actually show thta they deliver about twice of what's advertised.

2. You were talking about reinstalling AISuite w/ FanXpert ... I gave you suggestions on how to set it up on your system

3. You said "As far as I know these temps I have now are as good as when using AIO."

i showed you test results showing it should be significantly better and quieter. ... looks like you achieved that from latest results.



Last response ...... To quote the late, great Senator Moynihan "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

I have no comment on your opinion, just your misrepresentation of fact.



When applied to CLCs, this is a misrepresentation of fact.



The 6700k doesn't run any hotter than any other i7 other than the 3700k



This is not supported by testing as has been shown. Can you find an AIO that is quieter than a certain poorly designed Air cooler ... perhaps... but by and large air coolers are almost always quieter ... and certainly quieter than comparably priced of comparable thermal performance. The OP stated he had no interest in an AIO .... trying to change his mind by mistating facts is a disservice.

Whatever, you stick to your $160 better value than air cooling pump etc. personally I think your a pretentious Fidiot. you blather on about air been better, but don't even have air cooling yourself. I guess you just have some problem with me, fine, i block Fidiots anyway

 

[NoJuan999]

Final update:

@21.5°C ambient:
Average CPU temperature while playing GTA V: 52°C , minimum temperature while playing GTA V: 47°C , max CPU temp while playing GTA V: 55°C

Glad to see that you got you temps down to where they should be.

 

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I didn't think my old H100 was great with the stock fans, but with 120x38s it was decent.. I got about 2-3 good years with it, after that its performance kind of went down hill. I ran it on my x5690, and very briefly with my 3770k, just a few weeks. It didn't take long to heat soak it with my hexacore, which is why I used the high pressure fans. I ended up giving it to my brother who runs his 7700k at about 4500 or so. He said its better than his old 212 Evo, which I have in my closet. If you are ok with replacing them every couple of years then sure use em. I did like how tidy things looked, but at the same time there was compromise. I really don't mind using a big air cooler, as long as it doesn't block ram, or slots and fits in my case then its all good in the hood. And of course, it has to perform better than my H100, which they do.