AMD's Zen 2 Threadripper Conspicuously Absent From Company's Latest Roadmaps

[efikkan]

I believe Threadripper 3 was expected in Q4 or later, so I wouldn't worry to much for it lacking in the short term roadmap.

Limited 7nm supply, lack of demand, extremely low-volume product.

TR is something they should make from surplus EPYC dies, but I doubt there are many. The 7nm supply may not be enough to make all the EPYCs they'd like to sell.

Demand is certainly not the problem, but Threadripper requires higher bins than Ryzen, so supply is probably an issue for 7nm.

Also, why not unify under the EPYC brand?

Well, they are different markets, so I guess some segmentation makes sense?
At least it's not as bad as Intel's double HEDT lineup: Skylake-X and Skylake-W.

Is there a need for Threadripper? According to current state of leaks and assumptions, Ryzen 3000 will go up to 16 cores which would cut deeply into the already niche Threadripper. Yes, there will always be uses cases for 4 memory channels and 128 PCI-e lanes but will that justify keeping another platform?

I would ask the opposite question; why would anyone need 16 cores (for now) without other "HEDT features"? Except for market hype, why does a mainstream system need 16 cores?

The purpose of HEDT is CPUs for workstations, like content creators and developers, which needs a balance between core count and core speed, along with good memory bandwidth etc. Threadripper 2 largely fails as a HEDT platform due to the latency issues which becomes substantial for 2970WX and 2990WX.

 

[IceShroom]

"I disagree slightly with the judgement of the person writing the report, so they obviously are a brainless paid shill." Yeah, that's not how a constructive discussion works. Not to mention that your arguments have been presented previously in this thread by people capable of not being an ass while doing so.

I don't wanted to be an arse, but seeing those deleted quoted comment, that expression came to my mind.

 

[Hardware Geek]

I SOOOOOO agree with your first two lines...and then we diverge.

I wouldn't have minded if core counts continued to go up slowly... it was a perfect market segmentation to reality ratio... mainstream had up to 6c/12t while HEDT was that and a lot more. Now, most consumers will think it has 'moar corez sew et must bee bet0r'.... and for those who can use them, that is correct. The problem is most users can't and software is still severely behind as well. As I said earlier, at least back in the day with clock speed wars and IPC, that improved everyone's experience regardless. Here, its really an only if they are used type situation.

I completely agree with you that the average consumer won't understand and think that more cores are better without understanding that they would be better off with a faster processor that has less cores. I do however disagree with you that 6 cores are enough. Does the average user need 16 cores and 32 threads? No. But 8 cores should be beneficial to even the average person that has multiple programs running at the same time. My 4 core i7 gets bogged down due to the processor being unable to keep up with everything I have open. I think 8 cores for the average user would be sufficient for a long time and people are replacing computers less frequently than they used to. They don't understand how much faster a modern system is compared to what they have.

 

[EarthDog]

We'll agree to disagree then. 6/12t cpu is plenty for 90% of people, even here. More wouldnt show an improvement for most.

 

[Hardware Geek]

We'll agree to disagree then. 6/12t cpu is plenty for 90% of people, even here. More wouldnt show an improvement for most.

That's okay with me. We are both simply stating opinions so disagreements are bound to happen.

 

[bogmali]

Stay on topic.
Quit bickering.
Trolls leave.
Only and last warning.

Thank You, have a nice, clean, civil discussion on the topic.

Thread bans issued to those who keep trolling

 

[cucker tarlson]

I hope Zen 2 is how AMD starts getting things back to normal,and by that I mean erase the meaning of "HEDT" as Intel shaped it over the years.That sort of performance being available on mainstream platforms will be a great step even if Zen 2 doesn't deliver top gaming experience.

 

[EarthDog]

I hope Zen 2 is how AMD starts getting things back to normal,and by that I mean erase the meaning of "HEDT" as Intel shaped it over the years.That sort of performance being available on mainstream platforms will be a great step even if Zen 2 doesn't deliver top gaming experience.

I I don't mind the segmentation. It's a different use model HEDT is intended for. Workstations... not quite server level, but more horsepower/bandwidth/pcie than mainstream/not designed for gaming but still can well, etc. It isn't for everyone and it's setup that way.

Now, the lines are quite blurred with hardware far outpacing software.

 

[eidairaman1]

I always remember HEDTs from the Pentium 3 Era and up. I remember the Athlon MP motherboards being an Ideal setup with mods to use Athlon XPs. Even FireGLs then were sought after cards.

Opterons and Xeons Come to mind too

 

[Melvis]

Yeah let´s all buy HEDT for... Linux. Even better, TR completly obliterates Intel........................

... on MS-DOS.

See now your getting it!

Its just a known fact that the 32 core threadripper and Windows have issues, its all over the internet, level1techs already proved this and not sure why my post was removed? truth hurts I guess?

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

See now your getting it!

Its just a known fact that the 32 core threadripper and Windows have issues, its all over the internet, level1techs already proved this and not sure why my post was removed? truth hurts I guess?

yep those issues are because of an incompetent m$.

 

[jmgbjr]

The following is a compelling rumor which gives a sugesstion why no TR3:

 

[kapqa]

i just got an X470 mobo some 1-2 month ago and feel already "boxed" in with 2times pcie3.0x16 + 3times pci3.0x1.
Even if i would put in the New Zen2 or Zen3 Processor, i feel that Threadripper is looming on the horizon.

 

[kapqa]

i just got an X470 mobo some 1-2 month ago and feel already "boxed" in with 2times pcie3.0x16 + 3times pci3.0x1.
Even if i would put in the New Zen2 or Zen3 Processor, i feel that Threadripper is looming on the horizon.

sorry, x470 it is of course 3x pcie3.0x16 + 3xpcie3.0x1 (plus 2x nvme) ... but still feeling it is a bit limited.