AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast

[EarthDog]

I think your getting the wrong end of my stick, I'm not and was never concerned.
But me and Eidairman know. We took some stick on fx for heat and power, now it's intels turn it's ok, that's what I meant.
As for 5ghz it's becoming less relevant and wasn't really that important to me ,a 60 hz ish gamer.

Oh and don't be foolish , the Ip in Bd at least some of it went into Ryzen, i find it all ironic tbh.

I was just replying to words I saw. Perhaps I misunderstood what side of the stick you were dishing out. Lol......took some 'stick'? haha.. is that a typo?

While surely there was some influence there (BD to Ryzen), the point I was trying to make had everything to do with heat and temperatures as the difference there as to what each CPU can handle is quite different. Nobody is concerned with that because the arch can NOW handle higher temps.

I predict here more than 100 comments

I predict a useless post is useless.

Ryzen has better IPC,

considering even Ryzen 2000 have better IPC than i9,

No. It has been shown dozens of times that Intel is still king mainly because of clock speed and IPC. Whenever the clock for clock tests are done, Intel loses almost its entire gaming performance lead and drops to low single digit % leads.

Does it? Are there other reviews showing different than this one?

4GHz CPU Battle: AMD 2nd-Gen Ryzen vs. Intel 8th-Gen Core

Gaming Benchmarks. We can say upfront that this article is in no way buying advice, but we're testing purely for the science of it. For the unaware, IPC (instructions...

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Compare apples to apples (6c/12t) and look at the 1600X at 4 GHz versus the 8700K at 4 GHz....

now... their SMT IS more efficient than Intel and in heavily threaded benchmarks which use smt. IPC measurements are typically single threaded, and smt/ht cant be involved, otherwise its a multi-threaded benchmark which shows the difference between HT and SMT.

 

[GoldenX]

No. It has been shown dozens of times that Intel is still king mainly because of clock speed and IPC. Whenever the clock for clock tests are done, Intel loses almost its entire gaming performance lead and drops to low single digit % leads. Latency is an issue, but not nearly the game performance killer you think.

Yeah, we will see if the chiplet design solves it for good.

 

[Dave65]

Was there any doubt

 

[kid41212003]

I'm starting to regret buying the 8700K...

 

[GoldenX]

I'm starting to regret buying the 8700K...

Don't, it can serve very well for many years. By the moment it's really the time to change it, AM4 will be old.

 

[TristanX]

7nm allow for twice less power consumption, over 16 nm, so you have it - 16C drawing the same power as single Ryzen 2700X. There won't be faster clocks than 4.3 GHz, because there is additional IO chip, and raising speed will increase power consumption beyond power delivery capacity. Some may try to OC, but traditionally, Ryzens do not OC well

 

[xorbe]

Is this a confirmation that these rumors are true or simply that they exist?

This is the big question. We can safely assume 16/32 exists, but will they offer it, and when.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

16c32t is great, but feeding that amount of cores with dual channel DDR4 with the IMC outside of compute cores? That memory sub system performance may not look good at all.

 

[Eric3988]

Sounds very intriguing, let the price wars commence!

 

[Berfs1]

It’s literally like I told y’all this ages ago lmfao... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12WWF2RjKCXQZvV-zcDl9xAk6t3GYJuk2DdovDnoGXpA

 

[bug]

Even if this is totally legit, feeding 16c/32t needs at least a quad-channel RAM setup. It's not going to make its way into the mainstream.
Me, I'm just curious what I can get in the $200-300 range to make me ditch my current CPU.

 

[mtcn77]

Having dabbled with a 5675c the last few months I think you have to add quite a lot of overhead for background tasks. Even if the individual tasks are very low load, the thread switching ends up taking a huge amount of time so having a large thread count is almost always better.

Good chip; wrong task. L4 helps in deep cache searches, emphasizing single-thread performance. You tried to multitask, that severs cache lines by half.

 

[Joss]

feeding 16c/32t needs at least a quad-channel RAM setup. It's not going to make its way into the mainstream

Maybe AMD is coming up with its own version of Intel's HEDT.

 

[GoldenX]

Maybe AMD is coming up with its own version of Intel's HEDT.

Yeah, that's the Threadripper's idea, AM4 is designed with only dual channel in mind.

 

[XiGMAKiD]

16-core AM4 is possible and almost everyone knows it, it's the clock speed that's a bit unbelievable

 

[Manu_PT]

Having dabbled with a 5675c the last few months I think you have to add quite a lot of overhead for background tasks. Even if the individual tasks are very low load, the thread switching ends up taking a huge amount of time so having a large thread count is almost always better.

GamerNexus talked about that on one of his recent videos and clearly stated it does not work like that. Having stuff open in background while gaming doesnt benefit from 50 cores. Ram yes. Unlees you are encoding or rendering while playing games.

Competition is good!

Otherwise we'd still have 4 core CPUs at $500+ just incredible.

Wich quad core was more than 500?? Cant remember

considering even Ryzen 2000 have better IPC than i9,
even "just" 4,3Ghz Ryzen 3000 will EASILY beat i9. Every task. Every game. Every price.
All hail the new king.

Ryzen 2000 has better ipc than coffee lake? Lol ok.

I'm starting to regret buying the 8700K...

If you mostly do gaming dont worry. Intel will still be faster than zen 2. You read it here first. If you are into multi threaded apps, 2700 would have been your best friend anyway.

 

[GoldenX]

Wich quad core was more than 500?? Cant remember

Not much, mostly older ones: The Core 2 Quad Extreme line, the Core i7 Extreme Edition line, the i7 870 and 880.
After that, mostly USD 300-350, for ten years.

 

[theeldest]

I think we'll still see slightly higher clocks on the final skus. We already have direct comparisons from AMD on 14nm & 7nm with Vega & the Radeon VII. From vega64 to VII clocks went up 12.2% for base and 13% for boost. That's like an 1800x going from 3.6/4.0/4.1 to 4.0/4.5/4.6 (base/turbo/xfr). That's pretty reasonable.

And the fact that it's 16 cores doesn't really matter as it's more about whether you can get 2x 8-core chips to run at 4/4.6 which is much easier.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

16c32t is great, but feeding that amount of cores with dual channel DDR4 with the IMC outside of compute cores? That memory sub system performance may not look good at all.

Its been a while since it was done and even then it was off chip not on chip(mcm) but it's quite possible it's fine you know, we'll see.
It's not like other chips and systems haven't done similar.

 

[lsevald]

Personally I want something that performs on par or better than the 9900k, both in apps and games, for half the price . Can we please have a 8c/16t Ryzen 5 "3650x" AMD? Too bad if the R5's only get the lower binned dies; 4.0/4.8 boost according to rumor, while R9 go as high as 5.1GHz.

 

[biffzinker]

but feeding that amount of cores with dual channel DDR4 with the IMC outside of compute cores? That memory sub system performance may not look good at all.

A last Level 4 cache on the I/O die might be a way around that hold up.

 

[advanced3]

While I believe the core count, I am not buying into the Clock speeds.

 

[bonehead123]

Well, see, the $64MM question here is:

Now that they know that you know that they know you know, whatchaz gonna do 'bout it ?

hehehe......

 

[lexluthermiester]

maybe bt knows something we don't...

He might. However, even if it's just a hypothesis, he's been right many time's before. I think it'll be safe to think that's if this info isn't spot-on, it'll be very close.

While I believe the core count, I am not buying into the Clock speeds.

Why not?

 

[GoldenX]

While I believe the core count, I am not buying into the Clock speeds.

No one believed Zen's IPC gain over FX, even me, and yet here we are.