AMD to Detail Zen 2, Navi Architectures Come Hot Chips in August

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

It's not a wild allegation. Small and cheap fan on a 30W chip is not something we don't see everywhere around us. It's called Intel stock cooler.

Yes, this tiny fan could be silent if it had cost $10.

Yeah, but what's the point? It's a consumer platform. Hardly anyone will use the PCIe 4.0 potential X570 is rumored to provide. But everyone will have a small fan like in the 90s.
This is the same argument as always. You can mock "the competitor" on losing in benchmarks and specs, but they make a mature, purpose-built ecosystem. They deliver in friendliness and practicality.
One can make any PC more faster by adding fans, hence allowing a larger power draw. It doesn't mean it's always a good idea.

If one has loud components or doesn't care, a 50mm chipset fan won't make a difference - I totally agree.

But look around you on all these people spending hundreds of USD on fanless PSUs, better GPU coolers and premium case fans. All that becomes obsolete. They'll now have a 50mm high rpm fan. It'll be the loudest part in their PCs.
And if it turns out the fan is spinning slowly, hence silent, it'll mean it wasn't necessary in the first place.

Keep banging the bull drum budy , someone might be convinced.

Talk about Drama , it's now the loudest fan in a pc, if they're going to that quite extreme ,a bit more effort would be nothing.

As for your efforts to dramatise this topic taking on all comers ,seams a bit shill, your definitely a hater.

Doesn't intels latest hedt feature fans on the Vrms , dya think that's noisey.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Hey you forgot it's AMD, there's no way they're doing anything wrong, it's not like we're talking about intel here.
/sarcasm

That was a factual statement. No /S required.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Isn't x570 supposed to be in-house amd chipset, rather than asmedia made before that (all other AM4 chipsets). Not that it have anything to do with the matter, but it sure takes more power than it asmedia made predecessor.

Now now children, no need to fight.

That's the rumour, but apparently there's another that Asmedia still makes it for AMD. This means the chipset is still 40-32nm. No, it's not 14nm as some here seems to think and most definitely not 7nm. Chipsets are usually always on a much older node than CPUs.

The fan is mostly intended to kick in when NVMe RAID is used, as it makes the chipset go supernova.

There will be fanless boards, but expect to pay a premium for them.

 

[Manu_PT]

For all the amd fans here ignoring this Fan thing. This is an AM3+ 990FX motherboard with a 20w TDP. It didn´t use a fan. Something is fishy here, wether you like it or not. I have enough years on hardware to know it.

 

[oxidized]

So AMD fail if fan, and fail if a heatsink you have no interest in anything AMD and have just come to the thread to troll, so what does it matter.

Oh but i am interested, since i'm no fanboy unlike many in here, i don't care if it's intel or amd, or nvidia or arm or whoever you want, i'm just interested in performance, reliability and quality, rest is just blabbering for fanboys.
I was planning on upgrading to ryzen 3000 for a while now, this surely doesn't encourage me more with the upgrade, and the reasons you can find pretty much in this thread, and i've already expressed some too, even if in a rather provocative way...

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

We’ve made it to page three and almost this whole thread is about fans. Maybe the mods just need to change the OP.

 

[AltCapwn]

The fan on the chipset makes me remember my p5n-d sli setup with the fan on the northbridge, or my sabertooth z77 with the fan behind the shield.

It's a sign of my destiny...

I personally don't care about the fan.

 

[s3thra]

The thought of upgrading my Ryzen 2600 and RX 580 later this year is exciting.

After building my 3570K years ago, and then every generation having to justify to myself why a complete motherboard (and memory) overhaul would be worth it, and then to have second thoughts, and then to put it off again, and then think "next generation will be worth it", and then go through the same dilemma next time around, over, and over, and over again - it's nice to be back on AMD.

 

[Metroid]

omigosh that x570 gaming plus is sooo sexy

After all the bullshit MSI tried to pull with ryzen 3000 series, MSI --> no way. MSI is usually the last well known motherboard vendor I think when I buy motherboards. Asrock, Asus, Gigabyte and then MSI.

For all the amd fans here ignoring this Fan thing. This is an AM3+ 990FX motherboard with a 20w TDP. It didn´t use a fan. Something is fishy here, wether you like it or not. I have enough years on hardware to know it.

I'm not going to buy any motherboard with a fan and I think as far as I can remember, I never bought a motherboard with a fan, heat-sink is the way to go. They tried to add a fan on a monitor, bad idea too. Fans is only good for gpus, cpus and the sort. I remember they tried to normalize fans to memory too, pure bullshit, nobody went along with it.

 

[ypsylon]

Fans, fans, fans. Problem with PCH 'radiators' is that those aren't radiators at all. Often it is just square slab of aluminium which has basically no thermal conductivity. Even worse, many have PCB inserts with LEDs which acts as an additional insulator and adds extra heat when lighting is on.

For radiator to be A Radiator it must have fins, and tons of it. Of course you can't put RGB on fins.

Take for example Zenith Extreme PCH (v1 not the Alpha). There is thin (~7mm) piece of aluminium on PCH. It comes in two parts. When you unscrew the top cover (which is about 3mm) you're left with remaining 4. Underneath the shroud is M.2 port. Now any NVMe drive plugged there will be cooking itself to death (I know I'm using it) because pocket in the shroud traps hot air and not transfers it away - no fins on top. So after a while, removed the top shroud, unpluged the RGB piece of PCB and now running M.2 drive with beefy heatsink, but for PCH there is absolutely no difference in temperature with or without top shroud. On warm day 65C no problem. Especially when I trash the system like doing sculpting in ZBrush, there is plenty of I/O access with PCH.

I say bollocks to such design of workstation class products.

 

[Vayra86]

What the hell. I enter an AMD Zen 2 topic and I read two pages of whine about a god damn fan. On a board that you can or cannot buy and is entirely unrelated otherwise. If it can be engineered differently, then for sure it will happen. You've seen two MSI boards of which one is the Carbon, which is known to be a bang/buck board that excels on features/price.

Besides, most PCH fans I know run on pretty low RPM and mostly serve to pull or push heat out from under that heatsink and into the general case airflow.

Get a life, please.

 

[efikkan]

Why does so many become defensive when someone raises a valid concern about the presented motherboards? It doesn't mean the platform as a whole is bad, and there is no reason to take it personally. I assume there will be some motherboards without a chipset fan, and if there are too few of these, it's important to raise concerns so that motherboard makers get the point.

Whenever I build systems, I expect them to last a good five years of daily use, even if it's not my primary system. That means I choose quality parts, and bad cooling solutions is one of the things I stay away from. With a chipset fan I would be worried about the long-term reliability and noise, and usually you can't replace them either.

Also, one final note. The motherboards displayed currently, and even some of the ones to be shown at Computex may still be prototypes, so there can be small deviations in production versions. Still, I do hope reporters at Computex provide feedback to the motherboard makers.

 

[Vayra86]

Why does so many become defensive when someone raises a valid concern about the presented motherboards? It doesn't mean the platform as a whole is bad, and there is no reason to take it personally. I assume there will be some motherboards without a chipset fan, and if there are too few of these, it's important to raise concerns so that motherboard makers get the point.

Whenever I build systems, I expect them to last a good five years of daily use, even if it's not my primary system. That means I choose quality parts, and bad cooling solutions is one of the things I stay away from. With a chipset fan I would be worried about the long-term reliability and noise, and usually you can't replace them either.

Also, one final note. The motherboards displayed currently, and even some of the ones to be shown at Computex may still be prototypes, so there can be small deviations in production versions. Still, I do hope reporters at Computex provide feedback to the motherboard makers.

Its just offtopic here. This topic is not about m/b design... right now people are left with the impression that all these boards will have crappy, noisy fans and thus its a hot chipset and boy that cannot be right, so Zen must be shit. We're now several pages in still going on about this. Why?

 

[R0H1T]

That's all fine, however have you seen any of these boards in action ~ the CPU or other boards? How do you figure this is even a valid concern without checking the boards out first? The crappy VRM or heatsink is a perennial problem since eons & will likely not go away anytime soon.

 

[efikkan]

Its just offtopic here. This topic is not about m/b design...

Respectfully, that's your opinion.
If motherboards and chipset launched together with a CPU is not part of the discussion of a platform then I don't know what is. Most people do after all select a motherboard to go with their new CPU.
Edit: One example, at the launch of Skylake-X, many threads complained about VRM cooling, and partially rightfully so, as some motherboards did have poor cooling, but certainly not all.

 

[JB_Gamer]

Hopefully it's semi-passive, only spinning if temperature gets too high (if PCIE 4.0 is in use).

 

[notb]

Its just offtopic here. This topic is not about m/b design... right now people are left with the impression that all these boards will have crappy, noisy fans and thus its a hot chipset and boy that cannot be right, so Zen must be shit. We're now several pages in still going on about this. Why?

But the people that mock the offtopic haven't really tried to discuss Zen2. So maybe no one is interested in Zen anymore? Maybe our fan fun gave this topic a life?

And yes, chipset is part of the Zen2 platform. If Zen2 forces fans on chipsets in any way (could be technical, could be simply not giving mobo makers enough time), then we are entitled to discuss this in "Zen2 architecture" topic.

 

[Manu_PT]

People saying a 55cm fan will spin at low RPM shouldn´t even visit hardware websites. Seriously, read different websites, because tech and hardware isn´t clearly your thing.

Anyway, I shouldn´t be explaining this but.... if you have a 55cm fan at low RPM, it is the same as not having one. Think about it, please.

What I see is that haters bash intel and nvidia articles with the most silly critics. But if there´s something fishy or not as good with AMD then the gang attacks and defends it to death. IMAGINE if Z390 motherboards had fans, just IMAGINE the drama on the internet if people would tell you that only high end and more expensive z390 motherboards wouldn´t have a fan.

 

[EarthDog]

Doesn't intels latest hedt feature fans on the Vrms , dya think that's noisey.

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This varies by board partner, not an "intel" thing that can be painted with a broad stroke.

That said, I believe there is at least one with a fan on the vrm in the flagship Rampage VI Extreme Omega. When using a 7960x at 4.3 ghz all c/t those fans spin up in a gaming session, indeed, however I cannot hear them over 3x 120mm yate loons at 850 rpm (nearly silent).

That's a different story if I am long term stress testing as they ramp up faster when the CPU is pulling 500W+. That doesnt happen at stock stress testing, note.

Maybe there is another x299 board with fans that are louder than this one. But when they kick in for normal use on this board, they are inaudible on low.

 

[Vayra86]

But the people that mock the offtopic haven't really tried to discuss Zen2. So maybe no one is interested in Zen anymore? Maybe our fan fun gave this topic a life?

And yes, chipset is part of the Zen2 platform. If Zen2 forces fans on chipsets in any way (could be technical, could be simply not giving mobo makers enough time), then we are entitled to discuss this in "Zen2 architecture" topic.

So pull the topic in that direction instead. Is it forced or not? We've already seen that is not necessarily the case as higher TDP chipsets were not actively cooled in the past. So, we're actually already past that... Also no sources have been provided that AMD told anyone its required for whatever spec or feature.

I remember the tiny fan discussion on other boards as well, even as recent as Gigabyte's Gaming 7. Yet in all those topics nobody ever came to anything of substance and in practice, this type of fan is rarely, if ever, audible in a system under load. It gets drowned out by everything else, even in silent rigs. On the Gaming 7, the fan would only be active at very high VRM temps.

People saying a 55cm fan will spin at low RPM shouldn´t even visit hardware websites. Seriously, read different websites, because tech and hardware isn´t clearly your thing.

Anyway, I shouldn´t be explaining this but.... if you have a 55cm fan at low RPM, it is the same as not having one. Think about it, please.

What I see is that haters bash intel and nvidia articles with the most silly critics. But if there´s something fishy or not as good with AMD then the gang attacks and defends it to death. IMAGINE if Z390 motherboards had fans, just IMAGINE the drama on the internet if people would tell you that only high end and more expensive z390 motherboards wouldn´t have a fan.

"Haters?" *sigh*

Once you've got data that shows us these tiny fans are the major source of noise coming from any system in a test, let me know. Until then you can keep your criticism to yourself. As for that perceived difference in approach towards anything either AMD or Intel... that just depends what color of glasses you choose to wear. In both cases its usually not quite so valid or extreme as people say it is. This fan is a great example, and the Z390 chipset as a whole is another good one; yes, lots of people complained and still complain about Intel's regular chipset upgrade strategy.

Its almost as if both camps have their pros and cons. Gosh.

 

[Xuper]

People saying a 55cm fan will spin at low RPM shouldn´t even visit hardware websites. Seriously, read different websites, because tech and hardware isn´t clearly your thing.

Anyway, I shouldn´t be explaining this but.... if you have a 55cm fan at low RPM, it is the same as not having one. Think about it, please.

What I see is that haters bash intel and nvidia articles with the most silly critics. But if there´s something fishy or not as good with AMD then the gang attacks and defends it to death. IMAGINE if Z390 motherboards had fans, just IMAGINE the drama on the internet if people would tell you that only high end and more expensive z390 motherboards wouldn´t have a fan.

Cut the crap your post , You're the one who started this drama.

Every x570 mobo with fans?? Are we back to 2007? Cmon LoL

 

[TheLostSwede]

We've already seen that is not necessarily the case as higher TDP chipsets were not actively cooled in the past. So, we're actually already past that... Also no sources have been provided that AMD told anyone its required for whatever spec or feature.

You know the TDP of X570?

As I've tried to point out earlier in this thread, the chipset gets really hot when NVMe is used in RAID, hence the "need" for fans.

Cut the crap your post , You're the one who started this drama.

Just ignore him, he can't even tell the difference between mm and cm and someone that ignorant is't worth seeing in the forums.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Oh but i am interested, since i'm no fanboy unlike many in here, i don't care if it's intel or amd, or nvidia or arm or whoever you want, i'm just interested in performance, reliability and quality, rest is just blabbering for fanboys.
I was planning on upgrading to ryzen 3000 for a while now, this surely doesn't encourage me more with the upgrade, and the reasons you can find pretty much in this thread, and i've already expressed some too, even if in a rather provocative way...

Yea course you were with your amd never does anything wrong s/ comment, I believe you....

 

[Manu_PT]

Cut the crap your post , You're the one who started this drama.

Because the 4 motherboards I seen so far all had the 2005 Fan. Simple as that. It is a meme on the internet at this point. Visit overclock net, hardforum, anandtech, etc. You will see the exact same complains.

You know the TDP of X570?

As I've tried to point out earlier in this thread, the chipset gets really hot when NVMe is used in RAID, hence the "need" for fans.



Just ignore him, he can't even tell the difference between mm and cm and someone that ignorant is't worth seeing in the forums.

15W

 

[NdMk2o1o]

You know the TDP of X570?

As I've tried to point out earlier in this thread, the chipset gets really hot when NVMe is used in RAID, hence the "need" for fans.



Just ignore him, he can't even tell the difference between mm and cm and someone that ignorant is't worth seeing in the forums.

This +1 Another wind up merchant on my ignore list.