AMD Halts Further x86 Technology Licensing to China

[medi01]

With a series of other microprocessors along with it that were much more important like Elbrus 2SM which is dual core with 4 dsp cores ideal for radar technology, or Elbrus 8SM with DDR4 and ideal for workstations. Since it's a VLIW processor and it's OS is built around the architecture (Elbrus OS). It's a rather important step in the right direction by MCST. And with all this happening, cooperation between the two would yield good results for them. At least it won't make them dependent.

Then they also have their RISC line as well by MCST, Baikal with their MIPS processor.

I believe "we can make CPUs at all" is a far cry from "pentium killer" promise.

Considering Loongson based systems went from 800MHz "Lunchbox" systems to octocore mips64 systems and systems on the TOP500's top 10 in less than 5 years

We are talking about "180nm to 28nm" CPU here, that can at "whopping" 1.5Ghz, aren't we?
I was told even RaspberryPi could be used to build supercomputers.
You just need to stack the right amount of them.

It would also be more impressive, if that weird Chineze CPU wasn't based on tech developed by MIPS Technologies, an american company.

They want more tech independence from western countries and they got it, it's a win for them

You can't use that thing for something resembling a PC.
They tried "more tech independence" and failed miserably.
It's a piece of fail, used only where they are absolutely forced to, in military equipment (not even in military PCs)

 

[sepheronx]

If you can provide me the link in Russian from either MCST or Rostec of the Intel killers, I would like it.

 

[medi01]

If you can provide me the link in Russian from either MCST or Rostec of the Intel killers, I would like it.

Ah, "bad journalism" defense? But please, while conslusions were made by journalists:
1) they were based on "we gonna be soooo much faster" by, you know, that Elbrus folks
2) nobody objected to the articles (also because it was a way to get government funding)

Here you go:

Russian:

Эльбрус Бабаяна и Pentium Пентковского

www.ixbt.com

Even more wonderful Russian:

Российский сопроцессор поставит Intel на колени

Российский сопроцессор поставит Intel на колени

4pda.ru

German:

Artikel-Archiv | c't 5/1999, Seite 21 | heise magazine

www.heise.de

Oh, and note how Intel stole Russian known-how, to make it's Penitum. But behold, they are gonna kick Intel's ass, beating not only Pentium, but Itanium too!

 

[LemmingOverlord]

It's actually interesting to see how computing has now shifted into the same gear as military exports. Apart from there being a big "no-no" list of countries that cannot procure certain technologies (hence the alleged Huawei debacle), the industry, as a whole, is beginning to restrict access to the latest generation of technology and whatever exports occur are stripped of sensitive tech.

 

[mtcn77]

The topic of this thread really isn't the trade war at all...

While I like the attitude, we have been testing the waters for some time on what could be said about this set of dealings.

Spoiler: At last, we can begin naming 'names':

Didn't AMD just last year sign some deal to let the Chinese build CPUs based on Zen? Of course it now hurts them more. Of course it now hurts them more. Let's just hope it's worth it in the long run.

Intel's hit is only 2.19x that of AMD, despite its roughly 6x global market share. Also, as you said, AMD's exposure is higher.

TheLostSwede said:
"So a company that has nothing to do with Huawei loses out, because the entire stock market is down. Which has what to do with anything exactly?"
- AMD doesn't have nothing to do with Huawei.

I'd be more precautious against a downturn, despite legal courtesy. This is not a court case in which retrospective effect is discretioned for proper legal conduct. See, this is stifling innovation. AMD had these aims prior to Trump's election.

2025 goals had been set between AMD and China, through sporadic mutualism.

If other parties have any objection, they have been too late onto the scene. Retrospective laws don't break contracts.

 

[sepheronx]

Ah, "bad journalism" defense? But please, while conslusions were made by journalists:
1) they were based on "we gonna be soooo much faster" by, you know, that Elbrus folks
2) nobody objected to the articles (also because it was a way to get government funding)

Here you go:

Russian:

Эльбрус Бабаяна и Pentium Пентковского

www.ixbt.com

Even more wonderful Russian:

Российский сопроцессор поставит Intel на колени

Российский сопроцессор поставит Intel на колени

4pda.ru

German:

Artikel-Archiv | c't 5/1999, Seite 21 | heise magazine

www.heise.de

Oh, and note how Intel stole Russian known-how, to make it's Penitum. But behold, they are gonna kick Intel's ass, beating not only Pentium, but Itanium too!

So nothing from Rostec and MCST? Ok. I rather go to the sources. Media can say anything they want. From some tests I saw it is equivalent to my 4770 which may not be all super duper compared to newer processors but it's ideal for them and to keep them rather secured, then it's a good investment from the ministry of industry and trade.

Yes, the guy who also designed the E2K architecture ended up working for Intel later on.

 

[medi01]

nothing from Rostec and MCST

Yeah, almost nothing, except the entire German article, that claimed 3 times Itanium speeds, no less.

After all the BS ("we'll do logarithmic calcs 1000 times faster than Itanium! Complex polynoms 3 times faster!!!") when nothing but nationalist nonsense came out, narrative has shifted from "we'll wipe the floor with Intel" and Babayan, to some dude from the team that managed to get hired by Intel, and has become "father of Penitum", almost. Because, again, Intel, company at least decade ahead of whatever crap USSR had at that point, absolutely needed "soviet technologies" to do crap.

Because Russia is so important, you know.

And if you think brother Wright invented aeroplanes, you are wrong. It was Mozhaiski.
It wasn't Marconi who invented Radio, it was Popov (Marconi stole it, apparently)
Steam engine, of course, was also invented by some Russian, then stolen.

Again, because Russia is so important and Russians are so great, you know.

 

[sepheronx]

Yeah, almost nothing, except the entire German article, that claimed 3 times Itanium speeds, no less.

After all the BS ("we'll do logarithmic calcs 1000 times faster than Itanium! Complex polynoms 3 times faster!!!") when nothing but nationalist nonsense came out, narrative has shifted from "we'll wipe the floor with Intel" and Babayan, to some dude from the team that managed to get hired by Intel, and has become "father of Penitum", almost. Because, again, Intel, company at least decade ahead of whatever crap USSR had at that point, absolutely needed "soviet technologies" to do crap.

Because Russia is so important, you know.

And if you think brother Wright invented aeroplanes, you are wrong. It was Mozhaiski.
It wasn't Marconi who invented Radio, it was Popov (Marconi stole it, apparently)
Steam engine, of course, was also invented by some Russian, then stolen.

Again, because Russia is so important and Russians are so great, you know.

You seem to have some kind of issue. You may not like Russians but you seriously should seek some kind of help that you would really write such drivel. Russia isn't Germany so whatever a German article wrote, it's on them. Unless you have actually hands on experience with Elbrus architecture, it's best you just calm down.

For anyone who is interested in learning more on Elbrus or just want to keep tabs, this is a good link:

Сделано у нас - Нам есть чем гордиться!

Поиск по тэгам сайта Сделано у нас. Публикации по тэгу Эльбрус в России

sdelanounas.ru

Google or Yandex translate works well enough

Best way to solve all issues mentioned in this thread is if Wizard could get his hands on such processors from China, Russia and elsewhere and test them all, then we can debate. I trust his opinion most regarding hardware tests.

 

[r.h.p]

You think that any of the cars they make are any good? TopGear guys did a special on the Chinese auto industry - spoiler alert *all their cars are garbage*

why do people keep buying them even if they are no good ......
we have this issue in AUS, our car factory's close ( Ford GMH Toyota Mitsubishi ) because of this

 

[kapone32]

why do people keep buying them even if they are no good ......
we have this issue in AUS, our car factory's close ( Ford GMH Toyota Mitsubishi ) because of this

Most car parts for all manufactures are made in China anyway

 

[medi01]

Russia isn't Germany so whatever a German article wrote, it's on them

In other words, German journalist LIED about its interview with Babayan and co, Babayan and Co didn't make fraudulent claims (some of which have been cited above verbatim), it's German conspiracy!

Apparently "because Germany is not Russia" and hence must hate Russians or something.

Oh, but we also have Russian sources stating the same. How inconvenient...

Unless you have actually hands on experience with Elbrus architecture

In particular that magical chip that made Intel CEO cry (in fear), but, never seen the light.
I'm afraid it's technically impossible to have experience with something that never existed.

 

[r.h.p]

I hope i can be Frank ....

I think China is a wonderful country , and the people are too . There food is Awesome , they invented Gunpowder , and so on...

yet i dont trust Communism and what it brings to society So now they have many Technology from Western country Eg: AMD CPU , 5G tech they must advance and create without copying or using Espionage i feel in my opinion . Just my 2 cents

 

[R-T-B]

While I like the attitude, we have been testing the waters for some time on what could be said about this set of dealings.

So evidence of past bad behavior to support present? Nope. You still have to stick to the topic.

We are talking about "180nm to 28nm" CPU here, that can at "whopping" 1.5Ghz, aren't we?

Yes, roughly, which drives my point home. Their engineers learned to work with modern processes very quickly and did so very well.

Best way to solve all issues mentioned in this thread is if Wizard could get his hands on such processors from China, Russia and elsewhere and test them all, then we can debate. I trust his opinion most regarding hardware tests.

A like for this. I doubt it'll happen but damn, it'd be epic.

You can't use that thing for something resembling a PC.

Of course you can. I own an early model.

 

[mtcn77]

So evidence of past bad behavior to support present? Nope. You still have to stick to the topic.

Whose bad behaviour? You guys still have yet to hit the nail 'on the head' once in a while. Oh boy, do you remember our fellow friend who were trying to arrest AMD's impetus by appealing to bygones. That was funny. Until the joke caught up to him. I wonder what he thinks after the Computex. Not so flashy, though.

 

[R-T-B]

Whose bad behaviour? You guys still have yet to hit the nail 'on the head' once in a while.

I thought you were citing past offtopic posts to support the ones here?

If so, don't. That's not how things work.

 

[cellar door]

then you have not been paying attention to that special really.
They said that like 10 years ago that made stuff like that crappy 3 wheeler they drove, and now they make stuff that will be rebadged in Europe under different brands like Rover.

Jeremy Clarkson himself in that special said "I'm telling you, we in Britain are doomed, we're doomed"

Because China is manufacture of everything they have connections with everything and can adept super quickly.
If Murica blocks its companies from doing business with China, China will just do it themselves and not need anyone anymore.



Dont tell me you actually think China is legit communism.....

Ok buddy - maybe you should google the word 'sarcasm' and when you are done reading that, go buy yourself a xinxiang 2000 SUV and after it falls apart in 2 years your can come back here and tell us how great it is.

 

[mtcn77]

I thought you were citing past offtopic posts to support the ones here?

If so, don't. That's not how things work.

I don't have Christian logic, things are sequential to me. Also, appeals look bad. Maybe keep up with the debate? At least we trolls debate on point, not the past.

 

[R-T-B]

I don't have Christian logic, things are sequential to me. Also, appeals look bad. Maybe keep up with the debate? At least we trolls debate on point, not the past.

Wut?

I mean that's just the rules of forum life man. Deal with it.

 

[mtcn77]

Wut?

I mean that's just the rules of forum life man. Deal with it.

I'm starting my stopwatch. Let's see how fast you derail the thread with your signature asset.

OK, now that has been resolved, I can get back to admiring G&S shoes. Did you know, leather soles grip slippery floors better than rubber compounds? I'm thinking of getting a reverse dovetail heel installed, these vibrams are a safety hazard.

 

[R-T-B]

You'll have to keep waiting if you want me to do anything but AMD-Zen related cpu topics. Meanwhile, why don't you enjoy an AMD-related propaganda-style piece from your enemy.

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Oh, and AMD liked me enough to rush-order me a replacement chip for the Ryzen Performance Marginality, which I reported on here as well.

My research into AMD's Linux "Performance Marginality" issue:

I've been doing some behind the scenes research into AMD's so called Linux "Performance Marginality." When I initially began researching this, I had big plans to write an independent research script to attempt to prove the crash can happen in Windows with a program to prove it. Unfortunately...

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How about stop playing sides for a second and realize someone can like both AMD and Intel? Jesus.

 

[mtcn77]

You'll have to keep waiting if you want me to do anything but AMD related cpu topics. Meanwhile, why don't you enjoy an AMD-related propaganda piece from your enemy.

AMD Ryzen Die Shot and New Architecture Details Revealed at ISSCC

At the International Solid-State Circuits Conference held earlier this month, some solid information has come to surface on a subject near and dear to many enthusiast hearts right now: AMD's upcoming Ryzen CPU line. As far as credibility, the information comes in fairly convincing form. AMD's...

www.techpowerup.com

Oh, and AMD liked me enough to rush-order me a replacement chip for the Ryzen Performance Marginality, which I reported on here as well.

My research into AMD's Linux "Performance Marginality" issue:

I've been doing some behind the scenes research into AMD's so called Linux "Performance Marginality." When I initially began researching this, I had big plans to write an independent research script to attempt to prove the crash can happen in Windows with a program to prove it. Unfortunately...

www.techpowerup.com

How about stop playing sides for a second and realize someone can like both? Jesus.

Who took you in on your challenge? Not me... Maybe you will meet the sought after adversary after all. Personally, I do it for sport, not shilling. It is good to see a fellow who is also gratified. Oh by the way, you don't need to sport the same affinity in order to be heard. I'm not so rhetorical, it is just that some people worry too much about driving the point across.
PS: I was aware of the ASLR issue myself at the time. Didn't get involved with histrionics, though. I keep a low profile. Also with the TLB bug that enumerated unencrypted memory addresses.

 

[R-T-B]

I have no challenge, nor agenda I'm just trying to point out I am not biased and that posts are going WAY offtopic.

if that weird Chineze CPU wasn't based on tech developed by MIPS Technologies

It pretty much is. It uses the MIPS ISA by virtue of being easy to license. But it is not a MIPS designed microarchitecture.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Ok buddy - maybe you should google the word 'sarcasm' and when you are done reading that, go buy yourself a xinxiang 2000 SUV and after it falls apart in 2 years your can come back here and tell us how great it is.

what a silly response, claiming that was sarcasm is like saying "lel just trolling bruh".
Its a weak attempt to save face after making a rather uninformed comment.

lastly, reading comprehension, Im not going to retype it, just read it again and actually try to understand what was said.
This is purely objective, this is not about loving or hating China, this is just facts.

 

[95Viper]

Stop the trolling.
Stop the bickering back and forth... take it to PMs.
Stay on topic.

Thank You.
Have a civil conversation on topic.

 

[RichF]

Aside from the issue of the apparently paltry amount of money AMD got from the licensing, the thing that I find interesting is that AMD reportedly stripped PSP out of Zen for the Chinese market.

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