Intel Internal Memo Reveals that even Intel is Impressed by AMD's Progress

[Crustybeaver]

Intel will compete just fine, they have CPUs to cover all the market. Sure, AMD will have more cores in the high-end, but this does not always translate into higher performance for some tasks and the majority of consumers don´t buy CPUs with more than 6/8 cores.

To say that AMD has no competition from Intel, it's like saying that Nvidia has no competition from AMD, which is wrong. They just don´t have the supremacy like the past 10 years or pré-Ryzen era!

But overall, this is going to be good to help AMD distance itself from the impression many people have that they are "a second tier brand".

Well in the world of GPUs, they very much are second tier.

 

[Jism]

Well in the world of GPUs, they very much are second tier.

Not for long. The 5700XT is about to be released and the later Navi (kraken) is coming as well.

Vega was a product that initially was designed for the compute and not gaming space. However with some tweaks you could apply it as a gaming GPU but with lots of overhead.

 

[EarthDog]

Not for long. The 5700XT is about to be released and the later Navi (kraken) is coming as well.

I wouldnt call a 2070 competitor high-end...

 

[shovenose]

Finally AMD is competing and I'm really happy about it. Seems like desktop CPU performance and price per $ was stagnant, and each generation was only a few % faster with a bit lower power draw, and now we're going to have real competition again. Currently I run mostly Intel stuff (primary PC, home server, 2x ThinkPads) while my secondary PC is an AMD... But I feel like my next primary PC is going to be AMD Ryzen.

 

[StrayKAT]

Not for long. The 5700XT is about to be released and the later Navi (kraken) is coming as well.

Vega was a product that initially was designed for the compute and not gaming space. However with some tweaks you could apply it as a gaming GPU but with lots of overhead.

I think it's quite nice for the gaming space: Because of Freesync. That has nothing to do with Compute obviously. This appears to be compelling enough that TVs now have that feature (which is why I bought a Samsung with it). Sure, I'm missing the raw performance of Nvidia, but this stuff wins me over.

I still stick with Intel on the cpu/mobo end because of the surrounding features too.. even if they're slouching on performance. Mostly U.2/Optane, but it seems XMP works better as well. I'm probably forgetting something. But the point is, I like both companies for their ecosystem in these spaces.

 

[Fluffmeister]

I wouldnt call a 2070 competitor high-end...

I keep forgetting the 2070 uses a 106 tier chip too, ouch.

 

[Vayra86]

I absolutely love how they say Intel offers additional value due to their investments in security.

Security

SECURITY

 

[thebluebumblebee]

When you aren't paying attention, and your competitor bets the company, you're almost guarantied to lose. I had to use the wayback machine to grab the following. This was an executive at Intel. Am I the only one who sees a problem?

How much time and resources do you put into desktop processor development when you're goal is to implement "...Intel’s long-term strategy to transform from a PC-centric company..."?

 

[Jism]

I still stick with Intel on the cpu/mobo end because of the surrounding features too.. even if they're slouching on performance. Mostly U.2/Optane, but it seems XMP works better as well. I'm probably forgetting something. But the point is, I like both companies for their ecosystem in these spaces.

Really, there is nothing wrong with a decent Ryzen based setup. I have a 2700X with 32GB of DDR4 @ 3400Mhz and a NVME SSD of 1TB crunching at 3GB speeds. It's up 24/7 and the only time it encountered an issue was when undervolting was a bit too agressive. But this system does what it is supposed to and there is nothing wrong with a Ryzen based platform let alone the previous FX i've bin on to for 3+ years. It's stable, it's even better related to security and performance then intel with the patching going.

building a computer requires a bit of a homework. Yes XMP can be a pain but if you have a proper board and you've carefully readed the QVL list those things shoud'nt cause an issue. My board would refuse going over 2933 Mhz related to memory even with XMP enabled, but that was due to improper selection of memory slots (it's supposed to be 2 and 4 and not 1 and 3). Once properly installed everything works out of the box as it should.

 

[StrayKAT]

When you aren't paying attention, and your competitor bets the company, you're almost guarantied to lose. I had to use the wayback machine to grab the following. This was an executive at Intel. Am I the only one who sees a problem?

How much time and resources do you put into desktop processor development when you're goal is to implement "...Intel’s long-term strategy to transform from a PC-centric company..."?

Good find. I didn't know anything about that.

I don't want to naysay her too much though - maybe at the time, it really did seem that PCs lost their luster. There's a whole wing of IT people (think Larry Ellison) who want to kill PCs and only think consumers need thin clients or something to that effect (when this person headed Intel, it seemed that tablets were all the rage.. in addition to the smartphones). And before that, it was terminals. They'll always be with us.

 

[Mamya3084]

Lol, it's all about keeping the team in check...even if part of the ship is sinking. *Insert everythingisfine.png*

 

[xorbe]

"Intel believes that Cinebench is not a representative benchmark for general platform evaluations and real life workloads."

Hahaha, they pushed CB so hard while it was on their side. Now that it's not, it's no longer a valid benchmark.

 

[GoldenX]

"Intel believes that Cinebench is not a representative benchmark for general platform evaluations and real life workloads."

Hahaha, they pushed CB so hard while it was on their side. Now that it's not, it's no longer a valid benchmark.

Besides, Cinebech is a real world test, or is any rendering job a benchmark for Intel?

 

[thebluebumblebee]

I don't want to naysay her too much though

I'm not saying anything negative about her. I'm criticizing Intel's plan, not the person in charge of implementing it.

 

[StrayKAT]

I'm not saying anything negative about her. I'm criticizing Intel's plan, not the person in charge of implementing it.

Oh, I know. Rather, I'm just stopping myself from doing it.

I think these people think they see "trends" when all they're doing is trying to implement their own plans for the tech industry. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. The "trends" that they're seeing is the very same crap they themselves implemented in the first place. But sooner or later, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of consumers and they spit it out and the market shows that it's still viable for end users to have a lot of raw power in their hands. But this particular tech segment never learns. They have some stick up their ass about average users having all of this...and have wrecked companies in the process.

 

[redeye]

great!... but intel already has my money from the i9-9900k

 

[bug]

Thing is that even the employees are much fairer in their judgements, a thing that we haven't seen even in PC industry. And I think that is worth noted. Aren't you impressed at all I suppose?

As a non fanboy, no, I'm not impressed. Imho people that aren't blindly following a logo have a much clearer view of things.

 

[trparky]

Post removed, posted in the wrong thread; I have two tabs open with two threads from this site open in them and I posted it in the wrong tab.

 

[zlobby]

When you aren't paying attention, and your competitor bets the company, you're almost guarantied to lose. I had to use the wayback machine to grab the following. This was an executive at Intel. Am I the only one who sees a problem?

How much time and resources do you put into desktop processor development when you're goal is to implement "...Intel’s long-term strategy to transform from a PC-centric company..."?

I believe that other than greed, intel's only weak point is their interal lack of business integrity, for the lack of better phrase.

To me it looks like like they are in an enormous internal struggle for power and money. Business and technology come latter in their minds, much latter.

 

[trparky]

I think the phrase "burning the candle at both ends" applies here. The internal resources of the company have been spread too thin on too many projects. It's time for Intel to start focusing their resources back on what makes them oodles of cash, the processor market.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Presumably one of their employees also noted; "it's a shame we are a duopoly, becuase we could just buy them".

 

[trparky]

Presumably one of their employees also noted; "it's a shame we are a duopoly, becuase we could just buy them".

Oh, I don't like the sound of that one, not one bit.

 

[StrayKAT]

It wouldn't have been so bad years ago. It's remarkable just how few CPU companies/designers are around anymore.

 

[trparky]

We'd still have Cyrix if only they didn't shit the bed with Cyrix 6x86 | Wikipedia.

 

[Mamya3084]

We'd still have Cyrix if only they didn't shit the bed with Cyrix 6x86 | Wikipedia.

Shitrix more like it. I remember the days of my first PC with a Shitrix PR300 and a voodoo banshee. Counter strike at 10Fps.