NVIDIA Announces the GeForce RTX Super Family

[Zendo911]

As someone who bought a 2070 9 months ago for 500$, I have nothing to complain about. This is technology progress, process maturity and competition. NVidia is acting as any other corporation would, including AMD.

I have been saying it for a while. NVidia's RTX 20 series prices cannot be judged without taking the silicon size, and accordingly the yields factor, into consideration. An RTX 2070 or 2070 Super with die sizes north of 450mm2 at 500$ versus AMD Navi on 251mm2 at , an 450$, and it's almost guaranteed AMD has the better profit margin.

Now bear in mind NVidia always had the upper hand when it came to extracting better gaming performance from the same die size, also a factor in its superior power efficiency. This generation, they decided to bet on RT/Tensor cores, and whatever your take on the implementation is, it remains the right bet imho. Hybrid rendering technique was approaching a level of maturity where it can be "doable" in triple AAA titles. Their cards were getting really fast enough that an alternative GTX 2080 ti with a 750mm2 die area entirely dedicated to raster would be approaching the point of an overkill for most of games even at 4K resolution, which meant they needed another technology to drive them forward. On the other hand, AMD could have jeopardized their plans if they had a competing product comparable in efficiency and output, available at the right time with the right quantities. But they didn't, which meant NVidia could go ahead with their plans.

It was the perfect plan, at the perfect time, and it can only get better with the next gen 7nm cards.

 

[Crackong]

2070 Super is $499... $20 more than the FE MSRP.

2070 FE was $599....
$499 was for the so-called "entry-level 2070" cards.

 

[EarthDog]

2070 FE was $599....
$499 was for the so-called "entry-level 2070" cards.

oops.. you are correct... though that further proves my point, no? Costs A LOT less for more and would show an even bigger performance difference over the reference.

Im not understanding what there is to complain about...nir does that owner up there. He gets how it works. It takes energy to be mad at something like this. Not worth it.. even 50%.

 

[Crackong]

I have been saying it for a while. NVidia's RTX 20 series prices cannot be judged without taking the silicon size, and accordingly the yields factor, into consideration. An RTX 2070 or 2070 Super with die sizes north of 450mm2 at 500$ versus AMD Navi on 251mm2 at , an 450$, and it's almost guaranteed AMD has the better profit margin.

The RTX 2070 SUPER uses a TU104 die same as the 2080, it is not the same chip as the 2070.
And you cannot judge the cost of the silicon by simply comparing die sizes, since they are from different process (12nm vs 7nm)

 

[Zendo911]

The RTX 2070 SUPER uses a TU104 die same as the 2080, it is not the same chip as the 2070.
And you cannot judge the cost of the silicon by simply comparing die sizes, since they are from different process (12nm vs 7nm)

Yes, this is why I deliberately used "Die sizes", and north of. I know they are two different chips.

And definitely, a newer process is costlier to make to make, especially in the early days. Pretty sure this is one of the reasons NVidia is still on 12nm, or 11nm as some reports are saying for the Turing refresh, especially given the large die size. But again, die size difference of this magnitude is almost certain to remain the biggest factor in chip prices between two consecutive nodes. A doubling in die area is granted to exponentially increase the chances of faults within a chip, which drastically reduce the chips harvestable from a wafer.

 

[Crackong]

Yes, this is why I deliberately used "Die sizes", and north of. I know they are two different chips.

And definitely, a newer process is costlier to make to make, especially in the early days. Pretty sure this is one of the reasons NVidia is still on 12nm, or 11nm as some reports are saying for the Turing refresh, especially given the large die size. But again, die size difference of this magnitude is almost certain to remain the biggest factor in chip prices between two consecutive nodes. A doubling in die area is granted to exponentially increase the chances of faults within a chip, which drastically reduce the chips harvestable from a wafer.

They are different chip designs and in different process.
Imagine:
Scenario No.1 : you are drawing 100 equally spaced dots on an A4 paper.
Scenario No.2 : you are drawing 200 equally spaced dots on an A3 paper.
Scenario No.3 : you are drawing 100 equally spaced dots on an A5 paper.

Comparing No.1 and No.2 would be "A bigger die within the same process" ,No.2 cost more and has a lower yield.
Comparing No.1 and No.3 tho is a totally different story.
You need to draw the same amount of dots but each "dot" now gets "harder" to draw.
Just because an A5 paper is smaller than A4 paper, doesn't mean drawing 100 dots on an A5 paper is "cheaper" than on an A4 paper or 200 dots on an A3.

Without precise data from TSMC, there is no clue which one costs more.

 

[medi01]

First its $380 and $450 for the cheap blower GPU, cards with real heatsinks will be way more expensive.

AIBs matched ref price last time, why wouldn't they now?

Second, Both 2060 and 2070 got replaced by better cards.

Reading comprehension problems, I guess. 5700 is faster than 2060, at around 2060 super levels.

 

[SIGSEGV]

NVIDIA Announces the GeForce RTX Super Family

do you mean NVIDIA Announces the GeForce RTX Milk The Cash Cow Family?

 

[bug]

do you mean NVIDIA Announces the GeForce RTX Milk The Cash Cow Family?

If this is milking, I eagerly await your comments on Navi next week.

 

[goodeedidid]

Oh look, a lame refresh

Oh look, a lame guy.

 

[Crackong]

do you mean NVIDIA Announces the GeForce RTX Milk The Cash Cow Family?

First-gen RTX was the milk.
This Super lineup isn't.
This what a new generation should be : better ( 1 tier up) raw performance for the price compared to last generation.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So is this a Paper launch just to shit in AMD's basket because I can't find a shop selling them in the UK?.

still one tier up on price compared to the last generation so not a win IMHO
OK cards still, still Bad price.

 

[bug]

So is this a Paper launch just to shit in AMD's basket because I can't find a shop selling them in the UK?.

still one tier up on price compared to the last generation so not a win IMHO

Available July 9

 

[BorgOvermind]

I would of called the cards MK2. Or MK3, since Ti is MK2.