Japan and South Korea Disagreements Could Compromise Global Memory Supply

[NC37]

I mean, these are on the books laws you can just google. This time it's no grand conspiracy. Use your head: If it's a written law it's PROBABLY verifiable.




Only if you get two countries that historically don't like each other to cooperate on a government level to commit conspiracy.

Yeah, no.

There's been plenty of suspicious shit out of Korean NAND and memory foundries. This isn't one.

There are plenty of examples in history of countries who hated each other at one time, cooperating and working together when they had a common interest. The Sauds in the last year suddenly turning to Israel, whom they want to wipe out, for help fighting their proxy war against Iran, lol. Even take a look at all the wars the US gov has fueled by arming radicals to fight a common foe. Like Obama did in the middle east by inciting wars, overthrowing governments, then surprise surprise he suddenly had to fight against the ones he backed to do the overthrowing. And he won a noble peace price...lol

Enemy of my enemy is a powerful motivator. Especially if there is enough reason to do so. Course besides that there are those with more money and power than they should ever have, funneling it into all sorts of conflicts...

It isn't a stretch to think Japan and Korea would work together on a deeper level. Saving face is big in Asian cultures. They often will behave in secret differently than public. Just, until there is a deeper analysis of what is going on, I'd refrain from outright dubbing this more price fixing. Japan thinks it has some leverage and likely more of a reason to suggest it against Korea. However, I don't doubt we'll see a 3rd round of price fixing from the DRAM makers eventually. They've been caught so many times before, they'll do it again. Business ethics and Asia is often two things that rarely go well together. Heck if you look back in Japan's boom era, their companies were known to hire sex workers to come in for the employees and all sorts of shady stuff. Asia always likes to keep a clean public image despite the seedy underbelly that does exist.

 

[stimpy88]

Eh.. yeah. Did you bother to read the background of this by now? Or just knee jerk responding like the rest? A lot of text but no substance.

I'm fully aware oh how these two countries regard each other, as well as how the press like to control the narrative. I'm also aware of the value of money, and the lengths cartels, businesses and corporations will go to protect it.

Time will tell what is really at play here. Until then, I'm quite happy to believe whatever I choose, based upon history, knowledge and common sense. I'm also quite happy to come here and apologise if I got it wrong.

 

[Vayra86]

I'm fully aware oh how these two countries regard each other, as well as how the press like to control the narrative. I'm also aware of the value of money, and the lengths cartels, businesses and corporations will go to protect it.

Time will tell what is really at play here. Until then, I'm quite happy to believe whatever I choose, based upon history, knowledge and common sense. I'm also quite happy to come here and apologise if I got it wrong.

That sounds a lot better and of course you are at liberty to think and say whatever you like dont get me wrong. Its just striking to see a whole page full of the same sentiment with so little critical thinking in between. Big numbers don't lie. That says something about a general level of comprehensive reading and also the overall trust in media.

Its just so easy (too easy) to simply pull the conspiracy price fixing card all the time, and I would suggest its better to keep your eyes open and ready to make the distinction.

 

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That sounds a lot better!

But let's think on your earlier train of thought abit more. The case could even be made that Trump is also part of the conspiracy, those trade tariffs are pretty convenient for RAM makers. Yep. Nuff said!

See how easy that is?

Hell, even buyers are part of the conspiracy. After all, it's them who buy RAM to cushion manufacturer's pockets

 

[Vayra86]

Hell, even buyers are part of the conspiracy. After all, it's them who buy RAM to cushion manufacturer's pockets

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I had already redacted my comment to keep this on track though

 

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I'm afraid conspiracies are the easy way out of nearly every problem. So good luck convincing the average audience the real problems lie elsewhere.

 

[Vayra86]

I'm afraid conspiracies are the easy way out of nearly every problem. So good luck convincing the average audience the real problems lie elsewhere.

Yep, uphill struggle. I try to pick my battles with a wall of text here and there

 

[R-T-B]

It isn't a stretch to think Japan and Korea would work together on a deeper level.

No, it isn't. They do it all the time for the NK. But we are talking merely fooling consumers.

 

[Aerpoweron]

Does anyone know why there are these trade limitations? And when were the drafted and when should they be in effect?

We usually have laws in the EU which are know for 2 years before they are set into effect. And when they are set into effect everybody cries out, that they came so suddenly. Like the new emissions test law for car or the GDPR laws.

And if you take a look at Huawai, the only thing the US embargo achieved in the long run is that Huawai will produce and license everything in China. So US companies can't sell them their goods any longer.

In the current wold clima who knows what some political groups think to put such laws in effect. The companies will deal with it, even if it takes some time. Because if they can't sell anything, they won't make money. I've even read that the companies will the the production lines run, even if they have to sell under price. Because they don't have to pay as much as if they would stop the production.

 

[RealNeil]

conspiratorially convenient

this

 

[TheGuruStud]

There are plenty of examples in history of countries who hated each other at one time, cooperating and working together when they had a common interest. The Sauds in the last year suddenly turning to Israel, whom they want to wipe out, for help fighting their proxy war against Iran, lol. Even take a look at all the wars the US gov has fueled by arming radicals to fight a common foe. Like Obama did in the middle east by inciting wars, overthrowing governments, then surprise surprise he suddenly had to fight against the ones he backed to do the overthrowing. And he won a noble peace price...lol

Enemy of my enemy is a powerful motivator. Especially if there is enough reason to do so. Course besides that there are those with more money and power than they should ever have, funneling it into all sorts of conflicts...

It isn't a stretch to think Japan and Korea would work together on a deeper level. Saving face is big in Asian cultures. They often will behave in secret differently than public. Just, until there is a deeper analysis of what is going on, I'd refrain from outright dubbing this more price fixing. Japan thinks it has some leverage and likely more of a reason to suggest it against Korea. However, I don't doubt we'll see a 3rd round of price fixing from the DRAM makers eventually. They've been caught so many times before, they'll do it again. Business ethics and Asia is often two things that rarely go well together. Heck if you look back in Japan's boom era, their companies were known to hire sex workers to come in for the employees and all sorts of shady stuff. Asia always likes to keep a clean public image despite the seedy underbelly that does exist.

Hey, I'll have you know that the US beats all of them. Govt employees become the sex workers and drug dealers to make more profit, here. Stick that in your ethical pipe and smoke it.

And then oil rigs explode thanks to it. Yeehaw. USA, USA, USA!

 

[seeJay]

Ah shit, here we go again

 

[R-T-B]

Govt employees become the sex workers and drug dealers to make more profit, here. Stick that in your ethical pipe and smoke it.

My mother must've missed the memo...

And then oil rigs explode thanks to it.

Ok... how does that even relate to sex workers and drug dealing? I mean seriously?

Can we try to stay on topic?

 

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My mother must've missed the memo...

Nah, she just wants you to be able to play the plausible deniability card