I'm sold, who else is getting an AMD 3600x?

[Metroid]

Techspot has a review posted. Didnt see aida64 in the benchmarks. https://www.techspot.com/review/1871-amd-ryzen-3600/

Thanks for the effort, they dont have aida memory latency tests though, I found it somewhere else.

3600 has the same problem as the 3700x regarding memory latency, 3900x doesn't.

Review: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (X570)

Tras el análisis sobre una placa base X470, hoy es el turno de analizar el AMD Ryzen 5 3600 sobre una placa base X570 para ver las diferencias.

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3700x

3900x

 

[Assimilator]

3600 has the same problem as the 3700x regarding memory latency, 3900x doesn't.

Ummm what? The latency numbers in those screenshots are close enough to be margin of error, perhaps you meant bandwidth? And the reason for this is known - the 12+ core Zen 2 parts use 2 CPU chiplets, the 8-core and lower use only 1.

 

[Metroid]

Ummm what? The latency numbers in those screenshots are close enough to be margin of error, perhaps you meant bandwidth? And the reason for this is known - the 12+ core Zen 2 parts use 2 CPU chiplets, the 8-core and lower use only 1.

Yeah, I said latency but not, I meant the aida memory test, my bad, anyway. It was the write memory, the ones that have a single chiplet 3600, and 3700x show very low memory write, 25mb and 28mb, the 3900x is fine at 47mb/s.

 

[SL2]

Just thinking outside the box here..

What if AMD integrated the first 8 cores with the IO, and the next 8 (or more?) cores on a chiplet(s), just to improve latencies for the first 8 cores?
Obviously more expensive going all 7 nm, and I dunno about having different latencies for different cores, might be technically difficult.

 

[kapone32]

I was watching a Hardware unboxed review of the 3600 and it definitely looks like the value gaming king in the current stack from Intel and AMD. They ended putting up against the 9700K and it trumped it. I am waiting to do my own testing on these new chips but the future looks very rosy. Some anecdotal data but there is a review on Newegg.ca for the 3600 that states it was able to OC to 4.6 GHZ.

Just thinking outside the box here..

What if AMD integrated the first 8 cores with the IO, and the next 8 (or more?) cores on a chiplet(s), just to improve latencies for the first 8 cores?
Obviously more expensive going all 7 nm, and I dunno about having different latencies for different cores, might be technically difficult.

The 3rd gen chips are cheaper than their predecessors.

 

[londiste]

I was watching a Hardware unboxed review of the 3600 and it definitely looks like the value gaming king in the current stack from Intel and AMD. They ended putting up against the 9700K and it trumped it.

If you are talking about gaming then 3600 did not trump 9700K, it has trouble trumping 9600K which is a few % faster on average.
3600 has no problem trumping either in productivity and efficency.

The 3rd gen chips are cheaper than their predecessors.

- 3600 and 3600X are the same (6 cores, 65/95W and $199/$229)
- 3700X is same as 2700X (8 cores at $329)
- 3800X/3900X are at a new higher price point

3700X and 3800X should have been named 3700 and 3700X but they were not because AMD wanted higher price points:
- 2700 and 3700X are both 8 core and 65W CPUs but while 2700 was $299, 3700X is $329
- 2700X and 3800X are both 8 core and 105W CPUs but while 2700X was $329, 3800X is $399

 

[kapone32]

If you are talking about gaming then 3600 did not trump 9700K, it has trouble trumping 9600K which is a few % faster on average.

Yes but who cares about a few % from a CPU that costs $200 vs one for $269.99 with no box cooler? Can anyone realistically tell the difference between 160 and 180 FPS on a 120Hz refresh panel.

 

[londiste]

Yes but who cares about a few % from a CPU that costs $200 vs one for $269.99 with no box cooler? Can anyone realistically tell the difference between 160 and 180 FPS on a 120Hz refresh panel.

Looking at stores in Europe 3600 is at 209€ and 9600K at 220€.
Wraith Stealth bundled with 3600 is decent as far as inbox goes but especially given Ryzen 3000-series frequency control that is also based on temperature, I would definitely upgrade cooler at least to some 20€ tower.
If slightly lower performance does not matter a 150€ 9400F might be the best bang-for-buck gaming CPU at the moment.

 

[dirtyferret]

I was watching a Hardware unboxed review of the 3600 and it definitely looks like the value gaming king in the current stack from Intel and AMD. They ended putting up against the 9700K and it trumped it.

in performance or value....

 

[kapone32]

in performance or value....

Performance: Productivity some games and benchmarks Value: all

 

[TheRagnarok]

Not getting the 3600x but my 3700x will be here Friday!
Coming from an x79 with OC'ed 1650 Xeon.

 

[kapone32]

Looking at stores in Europe 3600 is at 209€ and 9600K at 220€.
Wraith Stealth bundled with 3600 is decent as far as inbox goes but especially given Ryzen 3000-series frequency control that is also based on temperature, I would definitely upgrade cooler at least to some 20€ tower.
If slightly lower performance does not matter a 150€ 9400F might be the best bang-for-buck gaming CPU at the moment.

I understand what you are saying but these are brand new chips that are going to improve with time.

 

[purecain]

BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! look what just arrived....
I bought the new noctua cooler for the 39% improvement in cooling from the older version(since the aio's I owned all blew up due to the crosshair bios shutting down the fans before I figured out the fix).
this new version of the u12 should handle the 3600k easily. these new air coolers were beating the aio's including my 360rad thermaltake aio, so check the results on the latest air coolers vs aio's.
the NH-U12A is the new god of air coolers imo… numbers to follow... i'll be using my 370x crosshair vi hero....
I just realised this thread was about the 3600x. I expect it will have better thermals and may generally clock better than the 12core version. Good luck with the silicon lottery to everyone picking up a new cpu. i'm praying these early batch's are high quality. its going to be an interesting few days.

 

[dirtyferret]

Performance: Productivity some games and benchmarks Value: all

I'm looking at Steve's article for techspot and he doesn't even include the 9700k in any test so I would find it weird he tests and mentions the 9700k in his video (I have not seen the video). I see the the AMD 3600 trading blows with a stock i5-9600k in gaming on the techspot review making your 'AMD 3600 trumps the i7-9700k in gaming statement" interesting in so far as I wonder if your definition of the word "trumps" is different then most peoples definition of the word.

 

[kapone32]

I'm looking at Steve's article for techspot and he doesn't even include the 9700k in any test so I would find it weird he tests and mentions the 9700k in his video (I have not seen the video). I see the the AMD 3600 trading blows with a stock i5-9600k in gaming on the techspot review making your 'AMD 3600 trumps the i7-9700k in gaming statement" interesting in so far as I wonder if your definition of the word "trumps" is different then most peoples definition of the word.

You know what I have to apologize it was indeed the 9600K. Sorry for misquoting the CPU I know that can confuse some people but I am glad that I mentioned the where the review came from so that (a post like yours) cold come in.

 

[londiste]

I understand what you are saying but these are brand new chips that are going to improve with time.

Honest question - how do you expect these to improve over time?

 

[kapone32]

Honest question - how do you expect these to improve over time?

Well all of the other chips in the AM4 lineup have through Agesa and Windows updates. There are a lot of comments about the BIOS on the X570 boards being a bit flaky as well.

 

[EarthDog]

I doubt we'll see much performance increase if any at all. So long as you are on the latest BIOS and W10 1903, it is what it is.

 

[Vayra86]

Big difference with that 2500K is that the perf leap is not nearly as big. If you already have a CPU less than 4 years old, its just more cores.

For me it would even be a tiny step back. That was not the case for any prospective 2500K buyer

 

[SL2]

The 3rd gen chips are cheaper than their predecessors.

Not really my point but.. yeah, more performance / $.

 

[Assimilator]

Yeah, I said latency but not, I meant the aida memory test, my bad, anyway. It was the write memory, the ones that have a single chiplet 3600, and 3700x show very low memory write, 25mb and 28mb, the 3900x is fine at 47mb/s.

Yep I'm a derp, completely skipped over the "Write" performance. Anyway the discussion I was referring to is here: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...lf-the-performance-on-single-ccd-cpus.257182/ and there definitely is a very large memory write performance penalty on single-CCU vs dual-CCU chips.

But again, it seems like this is very specific to benchmarking and unless you are doing incredibly write-intensive workloads, you won't notice. (And if you are, you can probably afford the 3900X anyway.)

 

[Metroid]

Anyway the discussion I was referring to is here: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...lf-the-performance-on-single-ccd-cpus.257182/

I think both cases reflect it well. I think AMD will fix it on the 4xxx series. I think this is the reason the 3xxx series are not much much better than they should have been if they had these issues fixed.

 

[enmanueljeffren]

I'm not going to wait, I'm jumping into the AMD 3600x with both feet cannon ball style. The hype is too real, the 3600x will be to gaming what the intel i5-2500k was several years back. No more micro stuttering and enough threads for my excel spreadsheet content creation.

I plan to OC the 3600x to 5ghz so can anyone recommend a cheap X570 mobo?

Ryzen 5 3600 annihilates the 2600 in leaked benchmarks

The closest comparison for the Ryzen 5 3600 is the 2600, which is also a six-core, twelve thread chip that's just 300 MHz slower with a 3.9...

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Does anybody know a 3600 review with aida benchmarks?

 

[Vayra86]

I think both cases reflect it well. I think AMD will fix it on the 4xxx series. I think this is the reason the 3xxx series are not much much better than they should have been if they had these issues fixed.

On the other hand, if you want product to keep improving, you have to keep some real improvements in the tank at all times. You can see what happens if you don't... look at Intel

Selling things is about creating an incentive to buy

 

[Vario]

As with any new platform, bios updates and windows updates will probably help a lot with performance over the next couple months.