AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, SMT on vs SMT off, vs Intel 9900K

[bug]

Damage control.
Since 3000 release AMD outsells Intel on mindfactory 3.5 to 1.

Wow! A new product outselling something that has been in the market for a year or so? (And ) I'm guessing Intel should just call quits now.

 

[anachron]

Internet tabs?? You mean with 4gb ram? Nop. With 16gb ram you re fine. Debunked alteady by steven burke from GamersNexus. Tabs wont use your cpu, same with discord, spotify, itunes etc. You do renders while playing game? Hell yeah, your i5 will struggle big time, so will your r5 3600. Next.

From my own experience thats wrong. Playing a music video on youtube use between 5 to 10% of my i5 8600k and it can go up to 25% when loading a new video. So when playing AC Odyssey (1440p ultra), my cpu is at 100% some time, and if a new video is loaded on Youtube during this times, my FPS will take a hit for a few seconds (i'm talking from 65+ down to 30-40). The Tobii Eye tracking drivers (yes it does work in AC) also use a few percent of cpu btw. I guess more core/hyperthreading would have a beneficial effect in this kind of cases.

The only things related to the subject that i found from GamersNexus is about benchmark with multiple programs at once being unreliable, not that it doesn't affect the CPU if it's already used at full capacity.

 

[Zotz]

Wow! A new product outselling something that has been in the market for a year or so? (And ) I'm guessing Intel should just call quits now.

The comparisons are against an older Intel product precisely because there aren't any new ones! And it doesn't look like there will be, for a long time to come.

Thanks to TPU for this excellent article and all the work it required. It addresses exactly the questions that I and no doubt many others have on SMT On/Off.

 

[Crackong]

Wow! A new product outselling something that has been in the market for a year or so? (And ) I'm guessing Intel should just call quits now.

Because Intel does not have new SKUs available, 9900ks still nowhere to be found.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

Because Intel does not have new SKUs available, 9900ks still nowhere to be found.

i9-9900KS is out October

Built to be the fastest 8 cores CPU on Earth. Thus (Special Edition)

Love how the 9 months old 8 cores 3.6GHz 9900K stands up to the 12 cores 3.8GHz 3900X. Quite impressive!

Can't imagine 4GHz 9900KS (Super Binned) going to do...

9900KS is the last upgrade for Intel 300 series boards. Just drop in and have a faster than 3800X CPU.

If you're an AMD fan get the 3900X or 3950X 16 cores monster.

So excited for my CPU swop out 8700K to 9900KS

 

[Crackong]

i9-9900KS is out October

Built to be the fastest 8 cores CPU on Earth. Thus (Special Edition)

Love how the 9 months old 8 cores 3.6GHz 9900K stands up to the 12 cores 3.8GHz 3900X. Quite impressive!

Can't imagine 4GHz 9900KS (Super Binned) going to do...

9900KS is the last upgrade for Intel 300 series boards. Just drop in and have a faster than 3800X CPU.

If you're an AMD fan get the 3900X or 3950X 16 cores monster.

So excited for my CPU swop out 8700K to 9900KS

I can imagine, same / slightly less than a 5GHz 9900k.
And it creates time paradox if not water-cooled.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

I can imagine, same / slightly less than a 5GHz 9900k.
And it creates time paradox if not water-cooled.

You ment slightly more!
9900KS is Super Binned.

Stock vs stock
Stock cooler 9900K vs 9900KS
9900K 3.6GHz vs 9900KS 4GHz

Stock factory Turbo
9900K 7-cores 4.7GHz 1-core 5GHz
9900KS 5GHz all cores

EK, Swiftech or equivalent etc etc
Max OC 9900K 5.1GHz
Max OC 9900KS 5.3GHz

Around 200MHz OC top end so yeah slightly more! Thanks too Super high yielding factory binned CPU.

Basically a cheaper alternative to siliconLottery yes.

I'm super excited about it.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm super excited about it

we couldnt tell.

You share that same sentiment with that failing multi card thing....what is it called..... oh yeah... nvlink!

 

[Crackong]

Stock vs stock
Stock cooler 9900K vs 9900KS
9900K 3.6GHz vs 9900KS 4GHz

hmmm....
You must be living in an alternate universe, where Intel 9th-gen k SKUs have stock coolers.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

hmmm....
You must be living in an alternate universe, where Intel 9th-gen k SKUs have stock coolers.

Any Passive AIR or Prefilled RAD not custom built loops is pretty much basic cooling solutions. Anything that does 200w to 400w

Or are you talking about the cooling throw in the box of Ryzen 3000? You point is??

I'm glad Intel ditched BS free Air cooling that everyone garbaged anyways. Saved the environment.

 

[vega22]

Love how the 9 months old 8 cores 3.6GHz 9900K stands up to the 12 cores 3.8GHz 3900X. Quite impressive!

if only that statement told the whole truth.

that data would make interesting reading, if they were reviewed with their "stock clocks", not sure you would agree with the results mind.

given that zen2 has the ipc lead and with more mhz and cores it would be very one sided.

 

[bug]

if only that statement told the whole truth.

that data would make interesting reading, if they were reviewed with their "stock clocks", not sure you would agree with the results mind.

given that zen2 has the ipc lead and with more mhz and cores it would be very one sided.

Zen2 doesn't have the IPC lead. Look here: https://www.techspot.com/article/1876-4ghz-ryzen-3rd-gen-vs-core-i9/
Zen2 pulls a little ahead in rendering, Intel pulls ahead in most games. They're just trading blows.
That's the only dark cloud on Zen's clear sky: if Intel underdelivers and Ice Lake only gives 10% better IPC, that still puts Zen back into catching up mode. And then there's this: https://www.notebookcheck.net/10th-...n-par-with-an-AMD-Ryzen-9-3900X.427965.0.html

Of course, you can buy Zen2 today while Ice Lake is, by all accounts, one year away so whatever happens, AMD has time to reap their rewards.

 

[vega22]

Zen2 doesn't have the IPC lead. Look here: https://www.techspot.com/article/1876-4ghz-ryzen-3rd-gen-vs-core-i9/
Zen2 pulls a little ahead in rendering, Intel pulls ahead in most games. They're just trading blows.
That's the only dark cloud on Zen's clear sky: if Intel underdelivers and Ice Lake only gives 10% better IPC, that still puts Zen back into catching up mode. And then there's this: https://www.notebookcheck.net/10th-...n-par-with-an-AMD-Ryzen-9-3900X.427965.0.html

Of course, you can buy Zen2 today while Ice Lake is, by all accounts, one year away so whatever happens, AMD has time to reap their rewards.

you realise the link shows zen2 having higher ipc, right?

like, it shows exactly the point i was making

at the same speeds, in single threaded workloads, amd scores higher.

now if all the chips were to be locked to their "default" clocks (3.6 and 3.8ghz) that would move that lead even more in their favour.

then to talk about ice lake....how long have you been riding intel dick dude? are you paid in cash or hardware?

i mean if you want to, we can. we can talk about how by the time intel finally gets 10nm chips into the shops amd will be ready to move to 5nm.but by that point there will by tsunami all over the world. down to people throwing themselves out of sky scrappers when intels stock price plummets faster than their, soon to be pancaked, bodies xD

 

[bug]

you realise the link shows zen2 having higher ipc, right?

Only through tinted glasses. All CPUs are configured with 8 threads so every benchmarks is actually comparing IPC. Of course, you choose to look only at Cinebench, the one benchmark that AMD always does well in, there's nothing I can do about that.

 

[vega22]

Only through tinted glasses. All CPUs are configured with 8 threads so every benchmarks is actually comparing IPC. Of course, you choose to look only at Cinebench, the one benchmark that AMD always does well in, there's nothing I can do about that.

Their extra cores are why they have done well in the multi threaded test. Their increased IPC is why they now lead in the single threaded test too.

Talk about rose tinted glasses?

How are older CPU configured with 8 threads?

How do those threads help in a single threaded test anyway?

Keep trying to twist those facts to suit your agenda.....

 

[r9]

Absolutely! Before jumping to x570 Aorus Master and the 3600X, I came out of an R5 1600 x370/x470 chipset mobo (one board for each chipset, 2 boards, total)--that little cpu did a permanent 800MHz OC ROOB, from 3.2GHz stock clock to 3.8GHz by simply changing the multiplier to 38...and on both motherboards, too! Even the max stock boost was only 3.6Ghz...! Couldn't do 3.9GHz with any degree of stability no matter what I did with voltage--but I saw no reason to complain! Sweet! $80 is a great deal, but recall that it's Ryzen 1, so no need to buy an x570 mboard as they are incompatible with Ryzen 1--I'm very curious as to why that is so--academically speaking--probably something to do with boost & voltage differences, although Ryzen Zen+ was just like Zen in that regard--but I didn't own Zen + so I'm not positive about it. On a budget? How can you beat this? Now the 3600X is in another category altogether, imo. @ 3.8GHz stock, the 3600X begins in frequency just where my 1600 left off at its max OC--but cost the same as a 1600X, or a 2600X cost at introduction! ANd of course the 3600X includes IPC improvements well over 15% in many situations! And the 3600X includes doubled L3--which really does make a difference in gaming. I get the 4.4Ghz boost regularly and reliably with the 3600X under air (stock cooler)--but it cost considerably more than this sale of R1600 for $80.

Mine is sitting perfectly stable at 3.9GHz on a stock cooler. It was running at 4GHz but not 100% stable and I'm pretty certain with small effort on my side that CPU can do 4GHz especially with an after market cooler.

 

[jaggerwild]

Always turns into a pissing match, I must say I do not follow the crowd (nore do I care). On the power consumption, it looked to me as the 9900K does way better(of course less cores). So you save with an AMD Ryzen, but then the power consumption and cooling must bring it up as you want to overclock it. Wow the 9900K is only $485 US, I must be missing something. Aside from "Intel is Evil and must die".........which does seem to be the crowd mentality.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

Mine is sitting perfectly stable at 3.9GHz on a stock cooler. It was running at 4GHz but not 100% stable and I'm pretty certain with small effort on my side that CPU can do 4GHz especially with an after market cooler.

4GHz OC is not imperative for a 6 cores...

4GHz is stock base speed for 8086K with factory 5GHz Turbo and SL Pre-Delidded 5.3GHz options. That's impressive!

8086K is still the world's fastest 6 cores CPU. (Intel Fastest production 6 cores CPU and Intel first 5GHz Turbo)

Just for the world's records.

 

[phill]

Just wanted to say thank you to @W1zzard for a great review and just makes me think along the lines of, you could buy an Intel CPU but why would you? For 90% if not more for most people, is there any reason to worry about 5% difference at 1080P or at best 1% at 1440P and 4k?? I seriously can't think so..

If you buy AMD with all the cores, then throw some of them at the WCG for TPU and help us that way if you would like to It'll use a little less power per core than Intel but could make a massive difference to someone's life at some point

I seriously can't wait to be able to grab one of these CPUs at some point... I already have a few Intel CPUs and a pair of 1700X's, I look forward to trying out the new 3 Series for definite considering the extra performance they are giving certainly over the 1st and 2nd series of Zen. Utterly wonderful
Now if I can get away from triple 1080P panels, I'll be even happier

 

[r9]

4GHz OC is not imperative for a 6 cores...

4GHz is stock base speed for 8086K with factory 5GHz Turbo and SL Pre-Delidded 5.3GHz options. That's impressive!

8086K is still the world's fastest 6 cores CPU. (Intel Fastest production 6 cores CPU and Intel first 5GHz Turbo)

Just for the world's records.

You missed to point buddy.
We are talking about $80 CPU.

 

[medi01]

Fantastic!!! Now they just need to outsell Intel for the next several years to make a dent in the 80/20 market share lead Intel has (even on STEAM)

That's not how market share works (and Steam is not a reliable indicator of the market share, AMD's "jebaited" guy have demonstrated it).
DIY is just a minor part of the market (quite below 20% last time I've checked)

 

[dirtyferret]

That's not how market share works (and Steam is not a reliable indicator of the market share, AMD's "jebaited" guy have demonstrated it).
DIY is just a minor part of the market (quite below 20% last time I've checked)

That's not how reading works! When I said even on Steam that means overall market share as well as on Steam. Learning to comprehend what you read is a gift you can only give yourself.

 

[64K]

That's not how market share works (and Steam is not a reliable indicator of the market share, AMD's "jebaited" guy have demonstrated it).
DIY is just a minor part of the market (quite below 20% last time I've checked)

You can google it and get plenty of results that bear out the 80/20 split. What's hurting AMD the most is doing so poorly in the Server Market imo

AMD is gaining some market share and they deserve to but the battle with getting PC manufacturers to use more of their CPUs in pre-builts is a difficult task.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

you realise the link shows zen2 having higher ipc, right?

like, it shows exactly the point i was making

at the same speeds, in single threaded workloads, amd scores higher.

now if all the chips were to be locked to their "default" clocks (3.6 and 3.8ghz) that would move that lead even more in their favour.

then to talk about ice lake....how long have you been riding intel dick dude? are you paid in cash or hardware?

i mean if you want to, we can. we can talk about how by the time intel finally gets 10nm chips into the shops amd will be ready to move to 5nm.but by that point there will by tsunami all over the world. down to people throwing themselves out of sky scrappers when intels stock price plummets faster than their, soon to be pancaked, bodies xD

Can't wait to get my hands on my awesome 9900KS CPU upgrade.

AMD always playing catch up, Intel will remain King of IPC for 2019 with the world's fastest 6&8 cores CPUs.

The fastest production Coffeelake/Coffeelake Refresh CPUs

8086K & 9900KS
Rock Solid 4GHz base IPC single thread king.

3900X is a dam good try though....AMD will remain King of multi-cores performance with the R9 3900X/3950X for now. Bravo

 

[vega22]

You can google it and get plenty of results that bear out the 80/20 split. What's hurting AMD the most is doing so poorly in the Server Market imo

AMD is gaining some market share and they deserve to but the battle with getting PC manufacturers to use more of their CPUs in pre-builts is a difficult task.

From what I was reading about sales across Europe, just in the self build market, it more like 60:40 in amd's favour. Now part of that might be zen 2 performance or zen 1 prices and part of it might be intel shortages. But speaking to people I know in the UK retail trade and and is out selling intel more like 4:1 not 3:2. Either way they need to make hay while the sun shines.

As for the server side, if Google really is about to jump ship I imagine that many others will follow suit.