PCI-Express 4.0 NVMe SSD Performance on Ryzen 3000 & X570

[Mescalamba]

80'c with heatsink ? my god.....i didn't expect it.

I did. Actually recommended EK to look into new mobos for x570 and full cover solutions. Hope they listened (well they said they will).

Honestly it was quite obvious from moment we saw every mobo having fan on chipset.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

That was gaming performance. Other benchmarks show a larger variance. Additionally, you're comparing a 1800X to a 3700X. Compare the 1800X to the 3800X and you will see a bigger difference. Apples to Apples, Oranges to Oranges..

Like I said, for MY USE CASE, which is GAMING (if you still cant get the hint, I'd suggest using a sledgehammer) there is effectively no difference. I am using the 1800x because (this was in my earlier comments, that you didnt read apparently) my 1700 is OCed to 4.0 GHz, because you can OC first gen ryzen, unlike these newer chips, so the 1800x is closer to my CPU's performance then the 1700 in these charts.

As for the 3800x, nobody has reviewed that chip that I can see. Mind linking to them here? And I doubt a whopping 100 MHz increase is going to be much of a game changer here, especially as the big IPC increase seems to be doing squat in gaming.

 

[lexluthermiester]

because you can OC first gen ryzen, unlike these newer chips

That's not true. I've already built three Ryzen3 systems and each OC's by 10-15% without lots of voltage.

 

[bobbygamer]

Time for samsung to release 980 PRO and blow these early pci-e 4.0 drives away

 

[cat1092]

Just waiting for the 980 Pro.

Me too!

The Samsung 980, when released, will likely be a PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD. Currently have the 1st of the series (512GB 950 PRO) & a 970 PRO of the same type & size, just haven't got around to installing it. I want to perform a clean install of Windows 10 1903, no desire to clone. Will use the 950 PRO in a secondary PC. The 970 PRO should be faster, because I'll have it installed in the 2nd GPU slot, where the 950 is now. Being it's getting a full 4 lanes, no need to believe it won't reach advertised speed.

Hopefully can get most of the advertised speed on my Z97 platform, system specs listed below my avatar. Only significant change was the addition of a 28" LG 4K HDR monitor.

My next build will be Ryzen, X570 MB (or newer), once there's plenty of stock & Newegg & Amazon begins to run promos on these. I'm in no rush, as will have to also purchase a more powerful GPU & possibly PSU as well. Don't know if 650W Gold rated will be enough, these boards with 12-16 ATX (CPU power) pins will generate a lot of heat. Won't be half hearted about the build & go with 8 pin, going better will add only $100-150 to the cost. Yet still will cost less to build than this one, hopefully under the $1,500 mark. This one was $1,700, although had to performance RAM (32GB GSkill TridentX 2400MHz), in two 16GB packs. Was on promo for $99, so purchased 4 kits to install in two PC's.

Today & because of the scandal, RAM prices are great, so expect to save some cash there.

Cat

 

[msroadkill612]

I wasn't expecting to see a difference. What I'm hoping to see is manufacturers moving the drives to PCIe x2 (or even x1) so we can connect all out storage directly to the CPU. Judging by how everyone is pushing numbers for sequential speeds above all else, that may not happen.

I had similar thoughts. Double the pcie 4 x2 lane nvme ports has its good points vs a single 4 lane port. If you look at the amd block diagram slide, substituting 2x 2 lane m.2 ports for the one 4 lane m.2 is clearly an option mobo makers have.

We could have 2x nvme that really do ~4GB/s r/w, vs a single drive that only does 6GB/4GB

as seems the fashion, 2 lane nvme has been popularised by Intel, but seems better suited to amd. There are standard 2 lane nvme drives on the market.

 

[bug]

I had similar thoughts. Double the pcie 4 x2 lane nvme ports has its good points vs a single 4 lane port. If you look at the amd block diagram slide, substituting 2x 2 lane m.2 ports for the one 4 lane m.2 is clearly an option mobo makers have.

We could have 2x nvme that really do ~4GB/s r/w, vs a single drive that only does 6GB/4GB

as seems the fashion, 2 lane nvme has been popularised by Intel, but seems better suited to amd. There are standard 2 lane nvme drives on the market.

The thing is, those sequential speeds don't matter much, no drive can write more than 1-2GB/s without throttling within a few seconds. Of course, 5 seconds of writing 2GB/s and you're already written 2 DVDs.
Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure it's important to connect all those drives to the CPU, I don't recall a benchmark looking at whether or not going through the southbridge incurs a penalty or not. But on most mobos, you can only use M.2 slots that go through the southbridge in exchange for giving up 2 SATA slots.

 

[tony359]

The thing is, those sequential speeds don't matter much, no drive can write more than 1-2GB/s without throttling within a few seconds

I believe I saw reviews of drives writing 10-15 before running out of cache

 

[bug]

I believe I saw reviews of drives writing 10-15 before running out of cache

The 970 Pro doesn't drop speed: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/samsung-970-pro-ssd-512-gb/6.html
But it doesn't go anywhere near the available bandwidth either.

 

[svan71]

Me too!

The Samsung 980, when released, will likely be a PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD. Currently have the 1st of the series (512GB 950 PRO) & a 970 PRO of the same type & size, just haven't got around to installing it. I want to perform a clean install of Windows 10 1903, no desire to clone. Will use the 950 PRO in a secondary PC. The 970 PRO should be faster, because I'll have it installed in the 2nd GPU slot, where the 950 is now. Being it's getting a full 4 lanes, no need to believe it won't reach advertised speed.

Hopefully can get most of the advertised speed on my Z97 platform, system specs listed below my avatar. Only significant change was the addition of a 28" LG 4K HDR monitor.

My next build will be Ryzen, X570 MB (or newer), once there's plenty of stock & Newegg & Amazon begins to run promos on these. I'm in no rush, as will have to also purchase a more powerful GPU & possibly PSU as well. Don't know if 650W Gold rated will be enough, these boards with 12-16 ATX (CPU power) pins will generate a lot of heat. Won't be half hearted about the build & go with 8 pin, going better will add only $100-150 to the cost. Yet still will cost less to build than this one, hopefully under the $1,500 mark. This one was $1,700, although had to performance RAM (32GB GSkill TridentX 2400MHz), in two 16GB packs. Was on promo for $99, so purchased 4 kits to install in two PC's.

Today & because of the scandal, RAM prices are great, so expect to save some cash there.

Cat

Only one Z97 board has M.2 3x4 and that is the AsRock Z97 Extreme 6. My board

 

[svan71]

What matters is the random speed and that's the same across all PCI-express revisions. PCI-express bandwidth for SSDs is wool over the eyes. Access times is the king.
Move on guys. I still only buy SATA SSDs.

Hey you pesky nvme drives get off my lawn !