Upgrade Gpu or Cpu? Please help!

[cjayttv]

This is currently the setup I’m running, https://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c05707828 and to increase performance/frames would it be better to upgrade from the ryzen 1400 to ryzen 2600 or from the 580 4g to 580 8g? Or any other recommendations. Please help, I just aim and click

 

[TheLostSwede]

Upgrading from a 4GB to an 8GB card isn't going to give you much extra performance, unless you're playing at higher resolutions than 1920x1080, which you might see a small improvement. A CPU upgrade in this case ought give you more bang for your buck so to say, but neither is going to double your frame rate, if that's what you're hoping to see.

 

[jesdals]

well upgrading on that would easy be a waste of money - these business computer are not a good starting point. Save your money for a new build - if you do goe further with this you should look if there is a bios update that support new cpu before upgrading and be careful with gpu to be sure at the PSU can support them. A Geforce 1660 might be possible but I would rather build from scratch than try to force hardware in to your current platform.

Looking at the link - it does not look like it would support a Ryzen 2600 and the psu is only 300watt

 

[cjayttv]

well upgrading on that would easy be a waste of money - these business computer are not a good starting point. Save your money for a new build - if you do goe further with this you should look if there is a bios update that support new cpu before upgrading and be careful with gpu to be sure at the PSU can support them. A Geforce 1660 might be possible but I would rather build from scratch than try to force hardware in to your current platform.

Looking at the link - it does not look like it would support a Ryzen 2600 and the psu is only 300watt

I’d buy a new PSU if upgraded, just don’t have the money to buy a whole new system right now, and just wondering what would boost my performance, CPU or GPU.

 

[trog100]

lower your game settings to get more fps if you need them..

trog

 

[cucker tarlson]

1600 + 1660ti would be an improvement.I'd do the cpu first since it's just a 4c/4t,then the gpu.580 4g to 580 8g would change nothing.

that mobo might have trouble handling a 6c/12t

 

[TheLostSwede]

Looking at the link - it does not look like it would support a Ryzen 2600 and the psu is only 300watt

The support page the OP linked to states:
Processor upgrade information

• TDP: up to 65 W
• Socket type: AM4
• Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:
  

  Processor​	TDP​
  AMD Ryzen7-1700 (Summit Ridge) 3.0 GHz, 8 cores/16 threads​	65 W​
  AMD Ryzen5-1600 (Summit Ridge) 3.2 GHz, 6 cores/12 threads​	65 W​
  AMD Ryzen5-1400 (Summit Ridge) 3.2 GHz, 4 cores/8 threads​	65 W​
  AMD Ryzen3-1200 (Summit Ridge) 3.1 GHz, 4 cores/4 threads​	65 W​

So as long as there's UEFI support for a 2600, I don't see a problem. Even a second hand 1600 or 1700 would be a decent upgrade imho.

 

[eidairaman1]

Id ask HP on what the max cpu is you can run on that unit.

Make sure you only flash this bios as the others are for intel
The Title is

HP Consumer Desktop PC BIOS Update (ROM Family SSID 8399)

HP Pavilion Power Desktop - 580-139 Software and Driver Downloads | HP® Customer Support

Download the latest drivers, firmware, and software for your HP Pavilion Power Desktop - 580-139.This is HP’s official website that will help automatically detect and download the correct drivers free of cost for your HP Computing and Printing products for Windows and Mac operating system.

support.hp.com

Otherwise id learn how to modify your case for extra fans and overclock the gpu.

Thats the drawback with an oem machine, it is a jailed environment- no means of overclocking the cpu or limited cpu upgrades.

A 1700 is max you can run thus far.

Tbf id Sell the whole unit and start a custom build.

A higher end B450 motherboard, R7 2700, Radeon 5700, 16GB ram.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Even a second hand 1600 or 1700 would be a decent upgrade imho.

If upgrading the CPU is the option you choose, I personally think this would be the best course of action - assuming the source of this "used" processor can be trusted. A new Ryzen 7 1700 currently costs $280 at Newegg - a fair price but I just don't feel putting that kind of money in that computer is that good of an investment.

While the Ryzen 7 1700 is likely to provide better overall computer performance, a better graphics card is more likely to improve frame-rate specifically - your stated requirement. But as noted, a better graphics card may require a PSU upgrade too. And now you are spending even more money than you would with the upgraded CPU.

The specs say "ATX" power supply - my problem there is I don't really trust HP (or Dell or Acer) when it comes to total compliance with the "ATX" Form Factor standard. If not totally ATX compliant, that means you cannot simply buy any standard EVGA or Seasonic (as examples) PSU and assume it will connect properly to your motherboard. You will have to do some further research and if not 100% totally compatible with the ATX standard, you will have to upgrade the PSU with another HP provided "proprietary" supply. And note proprietary = more money.

Another upgrade option not mentioned thus far is RAM. How are your RAM slots currently populated? If you currently have 1 x 8GB of RAM in 1 slot, you should have another slot free. According to the Crucial Memory Finder, you can double your RAM to 16GB for just $37. If me, that is all the money I would throw into that computer. While 8GB is already a nice chunk and often considered the sweetspot for most users, bumping up to 16GB should provide a noticeable over-all performance boost on many tasks. If you currently have both slots occupied with 2 x 4GB, you will have to toss those and replace with all new sticks. But still, according to Crucial, that is just $74, less than a CPU or new graphics card. Adding a second stick of RAM will not be a problem with your current PSU either.

What you are seeing it a common problem with just about all factory built computers from the big makers - very limited upgrade options. For this reason, I also recommend just hanging on to your money until you can build up the budget for a new computer - one you build yourself (not nearly as hard as it sounds) or a custom built, "totally ATX compliant" computer from a trusted local computer shop.

 

[AlienIsGOD]

If upgrading the CPU is the option you choose, I personally think this would be the best course of action - assuming the source of this "used" processor can be trusted. A new Ryzen 7 1700 currently costs $280 at Newegg - a fair price but I just don't feel putting that kind of money in that computer is that good of an investment.

While the Ryzen 7 1700 is likely to provide overall computer performance, a better graphics card is more likely to improve frame-rate specifically - your stated requirement. But as noted, a better graphics card may require a PSU upgrade too. And now you are spending even more money than you would with the upgraded CPU.

The specs say "ATX" power supply - my problem there is I don't really trust HP (or Dell or Acer) when it comes to total compliance with the "ATX" Form Factor standard. If not totally ATX compliant, that means you cannot simply buy any standard EVGA or Seasonic (as examples) PSU and assume it will connect properly to your motherboard. You will have to do some further research and if not 100% totally compatible with the ATX standard, you will have to upgrade the PSU with another HP provided "proprietary" supply. And note proprietary = more money.

Another upgrade option not mentioned thus far is RAM. How are your RAM slots currently populated? If you currently have 1 x 8GB of RAM in 1 slot, you should have another slot free. According to the Crucial Memory Finder, you can double your RAM to 16GB for just $37. If me, that is all the money I would throw into that computer. While 8GB is already a nice chunk and often considered the sweetspot for most users, bumping up to 16GB should provide a noticeable over-all performance boost on many tasks. If you currently have both slots occupied with 2 x 4GB, you will have to toss those and replace with all new sticks. But still, according to Crucial, that is just $74, less than a CPU or new graphics card. Adding a second stick of RAM will not be a problem with your current PSU either.

What you are seeing it a common problem with just about all factory built computers from the big makers - very limited upgrade options. For this reason, I also recommend just hanging on to your money until you can build up the budget for a new computer - one you build yourself (not nearly as hard as it sounds) or a custom built, "totally ATX compliant" computer from a trusted local computer shop.

very good points made, good sir

 

[advanced3]

Ouch! a Ryzen 7 1700 for $280? Was that a typo? Seems far from a "fair price".

$120 at MC (1700x)

Why would anyone pay that price VS Ryzen 2 or 3?

 

[cjayttv]

So right now After hearing everyone out, I’m slowly gonna buy my new pc, just ordered the cpu, psu and Mobo, next is gonna gpu, then probably just gonna re use memory. As stated above I don’t have an insane budget right now due to waiting on surgery, don’t get me wrong, I’d love to scrap my system and buy a whole new one, that just isn’t a option.

 

[trog100]

you dont scrap your old system you sell it on ebay it might work out cheaper that way..

trog

 

[Bill_Bright]

Ouch! a Ryzen 7 1700 for $280? Was that a typo? Seems far from a "fair price".

$120 at MC (1700x)

Oh? Got a link to MC showing that? I'm not finding the AMD Ryzen 7 1700 listed there. Only these Ryzen 7s.

I said that was a fair price at Newegg because Amazon has it for just $.02 more.

 

[advanced3]

Oh? Got a link to MC showing that? I'm not finding the AMD Ryzen 7 1700 listed there. Only these Ryzen 7s.

I said that was a fair price at Newegg because Amazon has it for just $.02 more.

Currently sold out near me, not sure if they're EOL now. I was buying up R5 1600s when they were $79.99 for builds.

AMD Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4 GHz 8 Core AM4 Boxed Processor - Micro Center

Get it now! The lightning-fast AMD Ryzen 7 processor is the superior choice. With AMD SenseMI technology, Ryzen processors use true machine intelligence to accelerate performance.

www.microcenter.com

 

[Bill_Bright]

Currently sold out near me, not sure if they're EOL now.

Well, sorry but since the prices are not shown in your link, that does not tell us anything. Perhaps it was a just a MC special as the other Ryzen 7s are competitively priced with Newegg and Amazon. Your R5 example doesn't really tell us anything either.

At any rate, your example does show us we need to shop around - and that's a good thing!

 

[Vayra86]

So right now After hearing everyone out, I’m slowly gonna buy my new pc, just ordered the cpu, psu and Mobo, next is gonna gpu, then probably just gonna re use memory. As stated above I don’t have an insane budget right now due to waiting on surgery, don’t get me wrong, I’d love to scrap my system and buy a whole new one, that just isn’t a option.

Don't buy past gen hardware NEW! Look at used market and do it locally, not some shitty ebay seller that may or may not be good.

Here's my country, just on keyword Ryzen; half the price (of 280) is easy to achieve and still paying too much...

I could even find a 3rd gen Ryzen 5 3600 for under 250. And note, most of the these prices end up being negotiable as well.

Even better, look at combos of a board and CPU, they may come with 2 extra sticks of RAM you won't use, but you have only two banks now. So when you transplant stuff over to a more definitive board, you can still populate 4 banks (for 16GB).

 

[silentbogo]

Don't buy past gen hardware NEW!

Why? If the price is right - you can buy it and get a benefit of manufacturer/seller warranty.
I think 1600 is currently THE cheapest hexacore with the best price/performance ratio.
R7 1700 is also cheap, but not everywhere. In my parts of the world big retailers are out, so smaller ones keep the price for 1st gen Ryzen 7 at last year's levels for as long as they can.
2600 sells at $40-50 premium, which in this context is a bit too much premium over too little performance boost.

So right now After hearing everyone out, I’m slowly gonna buy my new pc, just ordered the cpu, psu and Mobo, next is gonna gpu, then probably just gonna re use memory. As stated above I don’t have an insane budget right now due to waiting on surgery, don’t get me wrong, I’d love to scrap my system and buy a whole new one, that just isn’t a option.

I'd wait a bit with building a new PC. sAM4 is only supported through 2020, so there is no guarantee that whatever you buy right now is going to be upgradeable for long (beyond 3000 series).
If I were you, I'd go for R5 1600, max out RAM (only 2x8GB is possible on that thing) and use it until the new socket arrives or even later. 1600 is more than capable to run modern games, does not exceed 65W limit of your mini-pc, and is definitely compatible with it. 2600 may require BIOS update, and I'm not sure if HP ever released a new BIOS with 2nd gen support. Going to 2600 will give you a slight performance bump, but not much to justify the expense (at least where I'm from 1600 is nearly 40% cheaper than 2600). Buying a 95W X-variant is ill advisable, cause you might blow your motherboards VRM or cut too much into GPU power budget (overload the crappy 300W PSU).
In either case you get more than just cores and threads - it's 16MB of L3 which is good for both productivity and gaming.
If you manage to sell your old CPU, you'll get your upgrade for a price of summer's weekly icecream expenses.
Regarding GPU, I'd dump RX580 in favor of RTX2060 Super or RX5700. Both fit the power budget nicely (sub-200W), and both are more powerful than 580 8G.
If you have no budget for such drastic GPU upgrade, then just stick with what you have right now. Getting the same GPU with extra VRAM won't give you the desired performance boost in all games.

 

[advanced3]

Well, sorry but since the prices are not shown in your link, that does not tell us anything. Perhaps it was a just a MC special as the other Ryzen 7s are competitively priced with Newegg and Amazon. Your R5 example doesn't really tell us anything either.

At any rate, your example does show us we need to shop around - and that's a good thing!

Maybe you missed the part where it says $129.99

R5 1600 $79.99

They're probably gone now, but the 2nd Gen Ryzens prices are quickly falling to this level. Within a few months I bet the prices will be roughly the same as first gen hardware.

I am 20 minutes from a Micro Center, the prices are always better than either Amazon or Newegg on previous gen CPUs