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I'm okay with paying premium for better,but what do people see in buying those old iFarts I have no idea.

it's all about image. my nephew who is 17 just paid more for his used iphone 7 than I did for my brand new A50. screen is way worse, specs worse, terrible design where mine is modern, etc. but for him it's not about that, girls want to see that blue Apple text, not green. it's about image, cliques, doing what girls like, etc. that's only reason he got the iphone 7 anyway. you would be surprised how many iphone users think they are better than android, because it means 'they come from a better area, have more money, clean pure look, etc' it's all very disgusting imo. and more power to them, cause when I watch netflix on my phone I get a way better experience than them, so enjoy your small world guess.
 
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it's all about image. my nephew who is 17 just paid more for his used iphone 7 than I did for my brand new A50. screen is way worse, specs worse, terrible design where mine is modern, etc. but for him it's not about that, girls want to see that blue Apple text, not green. it's about image, cliques, doing what girls like, etc. that's only reason he got the iphone 7 anyway. you would be surprised how many iphone users think they are better than android, because it means 'they come from a better area, have more money, clean pure look, etc' it's all very disgusting imo. and more power to them, cause when I watch netflix on my phone I get a way better experience than them, so enjoy your small world guess.
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Didn't we already had that kind of thing ,use for gaming only and it's cheaper?Not from AMD or Intel though, but it's still 1080p :D
And these "gaming only machine", are you not gonna browse with it? Updating or patching a game while playing on it? Share it, stream it?
PC is only winning in keyboard and mouse support, in these regard.

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back on topic, I am going to wait for better gpu's from AMD. I decided I am not upgrading my gtx 1070 laptop until AMD can match Nvidia RTX 2080 Super. hopefully within 9 months, cause I am tired of waiting. I think there is a possibility it will happen though. but, just not too happy with nvidia's telemetry lately, and Intel's security issues. hoping to be all red team within 9 months if they can give me reason to do so. Hopefuly the RX 5800 rumors are true, I mean it makes sense, why else would you name your product line 5600, 5700... then stop? :D

fyi this topic needs to die before it turns it an all out war though lol
 
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back on topic, I am going to wait for better gpu's from AMD. I decided I am not upgrading my gtx 1070 laptop until AMD can match Nvidia RTX 2080 Super. hopefully within 9 months, cause I am tired of waiting. I think there is a possibility it will happen though. but, just not too happy with nvidia's telemetry lately, and Intel's security issues. hoping to be all red team within 9 months if they can give me reason to do so. Hopefuly the RX 5800 rumors are true, I mean it makes sense, why else would you name your product line 5600, 5700... then stop? :D

fyi this topic needs to die before it turns it an all out war though lol
2080S is still 30% faster than 5700xt according to tpu so probably more than just one sku from 5700xt.

why? this topic asks a legitimate question,though it should be more precise since you're mainly asking about specific skus+mobo combinatios,not across the board.same way 3600 on b350 will eat 9600k+z390 in value.

you know it's legitimate when in the first post you've got ppl deflecting the topic to datacenters when the question is specifically about gaming :laugh:
 
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the added value of a PC is that it's a PC.
plus take a look at yt videos comparing a pc vs console at the same price,pc wins every time.ps4 will struggle to keep new games running at 900p with medium quality.

Beat the purpose of gaming only doesn't it? :rolleyes:
Also i found it kinda funny,when they comparing console launch price with PC used parts, why not comparing actual price within same price bracket?



Oh yeah,everyone else is mediocre, said the one in bottom of food chain :D
 

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Beat the purpose of gaming only doesn't it? :rolleyes:
Also i found it kinda funny,when they comparing console launch price with PC used parts, why not comparing actual price within same price bracket?




Oh yeah,everyone else is mediocre, said the one in bottom of food chain :D

Bear in mind that the percentage of revenue represents all of the consoles pitted against a single PC platform. How many hundreds of millions of consoles out there and they collectively earn around the same revenue as PC. It's pretty pitiful for console gamers imo
 
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Bear in mind that the percentage of revenue represents all of the consoles pitted against a single PC platform. How many hundreds of millions of consoles out there and they collectively earn around the same revenue as PC. It's pretty pitiful for console gamers imo

Wow,i didn't know that PC is a "single" platform, so who's gonna take the lead, Windows Store, Steam, Origin, UPlay or newborn Epic Game Store? :rolleyes:
Also I was wondering, why they grouped smartphone and watches, aren't we had Apple Store,Android Playstore or Tencent WeGame?
...oh yeah,because this is a chart as general (duh).

I game in multiple platform, be it on PC,console or mobile handheld, and I just accept the fact that PC gaming is depriving each year.Say what you want about PC being superior,but game dev most likely had a tendency to lean to biggest chunk of market.
Well,that kind of far off topics, but I found it (still) funny that people build PC for single purpose only and talk about value in the same sentences :D
 

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Same with friends and some family, they seem to think there isn't any alternative on the market for a smartphone besides the iPhone.
Apple did a good job, it's true that iPhone is "the smartphone" for many people.

Well, I have nothing against iPhones, but a phone with a clean Android (so no manufacturers' own UI or any bloatcrap) is my thing. Grabbed this Google Pixel from a friend and I paid 100 euros.
 

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Wow,i didn't know that PC is a "single" platform, so who's gonna take the lead, Windows Store, Steam, Origin, UPlay or newborn Epic Game Store? :rolleyes:
Also I was wondering, why they grouped smartphone and watches, aren't we had Apple Store,Android Playstore or Tencent WeGame?
...oh yeah,because this is a chart as general (duh).

PC is a single platform. I think you are mixing up a digital store with a platform.


That's sad.

I dont let apple in my house... my kids can get an iPhone, but they lose inhouse support. ;)

Funny stuff.
 
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When the CPU is 84c and air coming across my radiator and the radiator itself is still cool.....

This seems strange to me but, your 7700K presumably didn't run much cooler did it ? I have a somewhat hard time figuring out why this is problematic.
 
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iphone users think they are better than android
Apple isn't Google which many see as a bonus. I personally see Google as an existential threat to our privacy.

And as far as the specs of many iPhones, it doesn't matter. iOS 12 runs great even on an iPhone 7 Plus that is three years old. That, of course, is because the OS is married to the hardware at a level that Android OEMs can't even dream of making possible. And not only that but because Apple controls the whole entire system from the hardware to the software they can push out software and security fixes faster than the Android OEMs can which to this day is an absolute joke.
 
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it's all about image. my nephew who is 17 just paid more for his used iphone 7 than I did for my brand new A50. screen is way worse, specs worse, terrible design where mine is modern, etc. but for him it's not about that, girls want to see that blue Apple text, not green. it's about image, cliques, doing what girls like, etc. that's only reason he got the iphone 7 anyway. you would be surprised how many iphone users think they are better than android, because it means 'they come from a better area, have more money, clean pure look, etc' it's all very disgusting imo. and more power to them, cause when I watch netflix on my phone I get a way better experience than them, so enjoy your small world guess.

A 17 year old boy concerned about what his female peers think of him? I'm just flabbergasted in disbelief. Next you will be stating something crazy like EA's latin motto isn't "pro bono publico"!
 

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A 17 year old boy concerned about what his female peers think of him? I'm just flabbergasted in disbelief. Next you will be stating something crazy like EA's latin motto isn't "pro bono publico"!

sadly this scales. lot of people who buy Apple products regardless of age think they are still in high school. but thanks for taking the entire point out of context. ;) and welcome to my ignore list.

Apple isn't Google which many see as a bonus. I personally see Google as an existential threat to our privacy.

And as far as the specs of many iPhones, it doesn't matter. iOS 12 runs great even on an iPhone 7 Plus that is three years old. That, of course, is because the OS is married to the hardware at a level that Android OEMs can't even dream of making possible. And not only that but because Apple controls the whole entire system from the hardware to the software they can push out software and security fixes faster than the Android OEMs can which to this day is an absolute joke.



Apple is just as bad as a threat to your privacy, you're just a fanboy. :) "Siri auto turns on when she hears a zipper" LOL talk about sketchy as hell. ;)
 
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But you didn't mention a thing about the absolute shitshow that is Android when it comes to the release of software fixes especially security fixes. Unless you own a Google-branded device such as a Pixel, good luck getting security fixes on time. Own a Samsung or any other Android device (the exception being Google-branded devices)? You'll be waiting until hell freezes over for security fixes.
 

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But you didn't mention a thing about the absolute shitshow that is Android when it comes to the release of software fixes especially security fixes. Unless you own a Google-branded device such as a Pixel, good luck getting security fixes on time. Own a Samsung or any other Android device (the exception being Google-branded devices)? You'll be waiting until hell freezes over for security fixes.

Nokia has actually stepped up to the plate on this one and offers a device in every price range with Android One, 3 years OS updates and security updates monthly. Their current lineup is a little lacking I admit as far as screen quality goes, but the Nokia 8.2 will be released in a couple months, should be the best bang for buck phone out there when it does come out.

Also, my new Samsung Galaxy A50 phone gets bi-monthly security updates and two years of OS updates, on time, Samsung confirmed they are stepping up their game with this new line.
 
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Samsung Galaxy A50 phone gets bi-monthly security updates and two years of OS updates
Must not be a carrier-branded device then. Most people in the US buy a carrier-branded device and the carriers take forever a damn day to release updates.
Samsung confirmed they are stepping up their game with this new line.
I'll believe it when I see it.
 

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Must not be a carrier-branded device then. Most people in the US buy a carrier-branded device and the carriers take forever a damn day to release updates.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Can confirm, my A50 has the June 2019 update, and before that it had the April 2019 update. So far so good, I did read a article about it. (edit, after googling I can't find said article again for some reason, eh)

Regardless, you still don't want this phone if you care about privacy. It comes pre-loaded with Facebook and you can't uninstall it. But it was 1/6 the cost of an Apple phone with OLED, so... lol I had to make a choice. I just want a pretty screen for Netflix on the go as I ride the bus a lot.
 
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I never understood how various mindsets are formed ... every user with an internet connection comes in saying "well I read on the internet ...." So before we go any further I play this video.

h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZbSlkFoSU

I didn't want to clog the post with a video link so copy / paste the link and get rid of the space after the h on http.

If i hear anything about cores, nm whatever, I just say stop. The ONLY thing worthy of discussion is "how fast does it run your apps ?" ... not benchmarks ... not things you do once a year, noth things that run while you're sleeping ... just stuff that you do on a routine basis.

If you are building a pure gaming rig, no I just don't see AMD with a place here. Where AMD has really nailed a market niche, it's best market niche in terms of potential sales numbers is the gamer / video editor / streamer hobbyist. If you are making a living doing video editing, time is money and spending $2,000 for a CPU will have a payback period of 4 - 6 weeks.



> $ 1.000 budget - or hat I like to call the "cost doesn't matter, I'm gonna make money by spending it" category, got give the video editing to Intel. Here any gaming that is getting down is "after hours, blow off some steam" kinda thing.

@$ 750 Budget Here the only thing that make s sense is the 2950X ... tho not for someone who's a gamer. The 3900x would make more sense at $455 for better gaming. This vategory really doesn't make a lot of sense but wanted to have something between $ 500 and $ 1,000.

@ $ 500 - Lotta candidates here and, at 1st glance, which to pick would depend on how much gaming versus how much editing. The two top contenders are the 9900KF (no one is seriously gaming on a IGP) and the 3900X. A 1.6 % edge to the 3900x in video editing, versus a 1.6% edge to the 9900K in gaming @ 1440p. However, with the 9900Ks better overclocking, even more based upon user reports, for the KF, to my view, Intel takes this category. What it proves here however is that while you can find synthetic utilities and apps that will do better w/ more cores, contrary to popular belief a) video editing is not one of them and b) most things that most folks do are not among them. That being said ... it's hard to make an argument against either the 9900k or the 3900X "by the numbers"

@ $250 - The obvious candidates are he 9600k and 3500, tho can't throw out the older generation 2700x. An argument could be made that ...

The 2.27 % increase in video editing speed of the 9600k isn't worth the 22% increase in price
The 3.31 % increase in gaming speed of the 9600k isn't worth the 22% increase in price

This is a bogus argument however as the CPU doesn't accomplish this on it's own. Adding the cost of a decent cooler to the cost difference .. we are likely talking $1290 versus $1200, we are looking at about a 7.5% increase in price. Personally, I would go Intel for the overclocking ability but again, I don't see a valid argument to be made against either choice.

There's an anecdote from the political spectrum in the story of "Joe the Plumber". Joe was an average dude thrust into the spotlight when he spoke up on the campaign traul saying the a specific candiates tax plan was no good for him ... he said that people in specific tax brackets would be negatively affected and that folks in a specific tax bracket would also suffer. Joe soon found himslef effectively on the campaign trail so to speak as journalists would continue to ask him questions. It turned out that Joe was not a business owner ... Joe was not in that tax bracket and as he researched more on thiese topics to put him in a better position to answer questions, he realized that the tax plan he had been speaking against actually would significantly improve his lot in life and he switched sides ... but Joe's 15 minutes of fame ended as he'd been show to speak passionately in favor of proposals whiuch were not in hos own interest.

The point here is that all too often uses make a component list by making emotional choices rather than ones that make the most sense for **their** actual usage. More cores / threads is no a panacea ... smaller die sizes do not necessarily bring anything to the table. It's all fine and good to search for information on the internet ... but it's the numbers that matter not. I gave my reasons why I would make a specific choice ... but in all but the top tier, whose going to get top dog status depends more upon one's individual actual usage than the dominance of one CPU over another ... and cores or nm is not in the running for being the "significant factor". What I think or anyone else thinks is in essence immaterial as only "the numbers" for your apps ... how you use your PC every day is relevant to your particular choice.
 
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This seems strange to me but, your 7700K presumably didn't run much cooler did it ? I have a somewhat hard time figuring out why this is problematic.

My I7 was de-lided and ran much cooler (60-70c). The 3700x will idle at dumb voltages (1.45-1.5) with crazy fluctuating temperatures (45-60c) and will drop voltage and clocks ( Lucky to maintain 4GHZ all core) when CPU load is increased. I have also never once seen it hit its advertised boost on a single core, 4.35 (usually 4.3) max.
 

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Keep it on topic.
Take the cell phone talk to the appropriate forum and make a thread.

Thank You.
 
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I play both FC5 and New Dawn on a FX 6300 with a 8 GB RX470 and have no problems. I do the in game benches and runs around 40 fps at 5760x1080p on high setting. Plays fine for me. I have played every Far Cry game and last 2 are the best IMO.
 
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