AMD Readies Three HEDT Chipsets: TRX40, TRX80, and WRX80

[kapone32]

You said 2950x in the previous post...I went by that.

Your confidence is misplaced. The 3950x is priced at $749 while the 2950X is $900. The 2920x is $649. The 3950x has higher boost clocks by "up to" 300 MHz. So while it will be $100 cheaper on the CPU, the cost to enter the platform will be a bit higher due to the board and quad channel RAM as a 'requirement'. The clocks are lower... I don't see the point or benefit.

Once again I have to point to the Canadian market. The 3900X is almost 90% more expensive than the 2920X. At these prices it makes no sense to me if you want more cores to pay $376 more for the CPU. By your reasoning that is $125 for every 100MHZ. I am willing to bet that the 3950X will be a $1000 CAD chip when it launches.

AMD YD292XA8AFWOF Ryzen Threadripper 2920X (12-Core/24-Thread) Processor 4.3 GHz Max Boost 38MB Cache : Amazon.ca: Electronics

AMD YD292XA8AFWOF Ryzen Threadripper 2920X (12-Core/24-Thread) Processor 4.3 GHz Max Boost 38MB Cache : Amazon.ca: Electronics

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AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-core, 24-thread unlocked desktop processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler : Amazon.ca: Electronics

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-core, 24-thread unlocked desktop processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler : Amazon.ca: Electronics

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Also quad channel is not a requirement I have been able to boot X399 with 1 and 2 sticks of RAM used.

 

[EarthDog]

I don't think its fair to compare chips on price that have been out over a year versus these that were just released over 2 months ago with the 3900x currently being not easily found (thus artificially jacking up the price - note your 3900x is 3rd party as well). Performance wise, those TR's are slower by nearly 15% clock for clock as well considering Zen 2's improvements so that should be a consideration too.

Also quad channel is not a requirement I have been able to boot X399 with 1 and 2 sticks of RAM used.

You missed the single quotes I inserted around 'required' I guess. Obviously you can boot with one/two sticks... that wasn't the point. That said, what's the point of dual channel RAM on a quad channel platform? You don't jump up platforms and not use the benefits... that isn't a fair comparison.

 

[efikkan]

Moving to 8-channel HEDT would be great, but I don't get why we would need three Threadripper chipsets (if these rumors were true).

 

[EarthDog]

Moving to 8-channel HEDT would be great, but I don't get why we would need three Threadripper chipsets (if these rumors were true).

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[kapone32]

I don't think its fair to compare chips on price that have been out over a year versus these that were just released over 2 months ago with the 3900x currently being not easily found (thus artificially jacking up the price). Performance wise, those TR's are slower by nearly 15% clock for clock as well considering Zen 2's improvements so that should be considered as well.

You missed the single quotes I inserted around 'required' I guess. Obviously you can boot with one/two sticks... that wasn't the point. That said, what's the point of dual channel RAM on a quad channel platform? You don't jump up platforms and not use the benefits... that isn't a fair comparison.

Agreed sort of in terms of the differences. I did include the performance gain but if you were in the market for a 12 core CPU would you be willing to pay that premium for a 15% gain? In terms of the memory I was establishing that because TR4 does not need Quad channel that it makes the RAM prices moot on the vs basis. What it boils down to for me is it is more cost effective to get the current TR4 lineup than looking for the same thing on X570. If you are a gamer looking at this level of computer I would like to think that you would be using at a minimum a 1440P screen much less 4K and we all know the GPU is way more important at those resolutions than the CPU. Using that I could get the 2920X and use the money I saved vs the 3900X to jump from a 2080 Super to a 2080TI.

 

[Deleted member 158293]

Perfect for the 100 people in the world who would do such a thing.

Regardless of marketing the TR platform itself isn't a mainstream platform to begin with... Agree on getting it for epeen points is pointless.

I can see companies like Qnap & maybe even Synology (if ending their love affair with Intel) creating turnkey self contained easy to use Servers/NAS units with all that their Linux OS distros are capable of doing now from running Docker services like an oracle database, multiple VMs, cloud services, image & video recognition & cataloging...etc... It's easy to blow right by 16 cores with just a few people or applications. It's fun to finally see this level of hardware potentially being offered directly to consumers at reasonable prices (in Enterprise terms).

 

[Tomgang]

If this is true. It seems AMD is ready to give intel a shock round two.

A ryzen 9 3950X and a X570 board is really all i need, but that TR40 spec does look very interesting throw. TR80 is litterly overkill for my needs. I mean i come from an i7 980X, so 3950X shut have all the power i need. But as you maybe know, more wants more.

 

[EarthDog]

Agreed sort of in terms of the differences. I did include the performance gain but if you were in the market for a 12 core CPU would you be willing to pay that premium for a 15% gain? In terms of the memory I was establishing that because TR4 does not need Quad channel that it makes the RAM prices moot on the vs basis. What it boils down to for me is it is more cost effective to get the current TR4 lineup than looking for the same thing on X570. If you are a gamer looking at this level of computer I would like to think that you would be using at a minimum a 1440P screen much less 4K and we all know the GPU is way more important at those resolutions than the CPU. Using that I could get the 2920X and use the money I saved vs the 3900X to jump from a 2080 Super to a 2080TI.

It's just odd we are comparing last years model to this year's and calling it similar.... in a thread that is all about TR 3rd gen...

If we keep thinking frugally (which is also odd on this platform), why not just run X399? What is there really in TRxx for the masses? Not much.

But yeah, I would pay the $200 difference (in the USA) between CPUs for 15% more performance. THe extra cores and threads are irrelevant.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Do want, but not likely to ever own, I sad.

 

[hellrazor]

Oh boy, my decision to hold off until Threadripper is going to pay AMD handsomely.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Once again I have to point to the Canadian market. The 3900X is almost 90% more expensive than the 2920X. At these prices it makes no sense to me if you want more cores to pay $376 more for the CPU. By your reasoning that is $125 for every 100MHZ. I am willing to bet that the 3950X will be a $1000 CAD chip when it launches.

AMD YD292XA8AFWOF Ryzen Threadripper 2920X (12-Core/24-Thread) Processor 4.3 GHz Max Boost 38MB Cache : Amazon.ca: Electronics

AMD YD292XA8AFWOF Ryzen Threadripper 2920X (12-Core/24-Thread) Processor 4.3 GHz Max Boost 38MB Cache : Amazon.ca: Electronics

www.amazon.ca

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-core, 24-thread unlocked desktop processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler : Amazon.ca: Electronics

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-core, 24-thread unlocked desktop processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler : Amazon.ca: Electronics

www.amazon.ca

Also quad channel is not a requirement I have been able to boot X399 with 1 and 2 sticks of RAM used.

Canada doesn't exist except when everyone floods the border to go shopping lol

 

[ZoneDymo]

Do want, but not likely to ever own, I sad.

considering a 2920x goes for about 350 today? I dont see why not

 

[Xuper]

tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3000-32-core-castle-peak-4.3ghz,40261.html

oh boy , Tr 32 cores with 128Mb L3 Cache ! Now which do chipset support Tr32 ?

 

[dicktracy]

TRX40 and TRX80? Sounds like milk mode to me, just like how they introduced the R9 series to raise the mainstream price points. I'm curious to see how TR performs in games since the previous ones were crappy as a HEDT but good as a pure workstation.

 

[Mamya3084]

My gamble on buying a unknown condition TR4 mb for $150, which ended up working fine may have paid off.

Hopefully they will support the TR4 socket with the same compatibly as epyc.

 

[Brusfantomet]

Moving to 8-channel HEDT would be great, but I don't get why we would need three Threadripper chipsets (if these rumors were true).

Differentiator for TR40 and TR80 is half a Rome (32 cores and 4 memory channels)
Mabye WRX80 is mult socekt Threadripper? For when you absolutely, positively need 128 cores so you can crush Intel in cinebench, even with water chillers?

The IO die from Rome already has all the hardware for a two socket system, why not leverage that for the consumer market? Threadripper has always had a bit of “looka at what cool stuf we can do with server hardware”. Why not take it to the extreme?

 

[kapone32]

It's just odd we are comparing last years model to this year's and calling it similar.... in a thread that is all about TR 3rd gen...

If we keep thinking frugally (which is also odd on this platform), why not just run X399? What is there really in TRxx for the masses? Not much.

But yeah, I would pay the $200 difference (in the USA) between CPUs for 15% more performance. THe extra cores and threads are irrelevant.

They are all Ryzen based CPUs. To me it makes sense to compare CPUs with the same core count. The only CPUs that you can actually compare the 3900X is for me are the 1920X and 2920X.

I know that this thread is about 3rd Gen TR4 boards but I don't see why AMD won't support current gen CPUs on their next chipset for TR4. It will likely be the TR40 and the other boards will probably only support the new CPUs.

Agreed X399 boards should fall further in price to help those who want to get into TR4 but couldn't afford it before. I never said that TR4 was for the masses, most people don't buy a 12 core CPU for light computing (web surfing, gaming) but I was talking specifically about the individual that would buy a 12+ core CPU like the 3900X or upcoming 3950X.

This is the beauty of computing in today's age. You can use your money to get whatever you want and since you don't see a need for the extra features I actually commend you for stating that.

Canada doesn't exist except when everyone floods the border to go shopping lol

Or want maple syrup or hockey skates

 

[Vlada011]

New Threadripper sound more interesting then Ryzen R9 39XX.
Special models with lower number of cores and higher frequency.
It would be ideal to AMD launch 10 core Threadripper as model with lowest number of core but highest frequency.
I mean on boost frequency for all cores. Becuase I don't understand nothing how Boost new Ryzen 3xxxx.

 

[mohammed2006]

100$ on wrx80 is dual socket

 

[KarymidoN]

Why would gamers need 4 channel memory and even more cores? (that's what TR is about, right?)

If you wanna just game go for Team Blue or a Console. If you do Real Work Like Heavy Video edition, 3D Simulations/animations, VM's, etc. you might wanna consider TR4.
The Price/Perf ratio is just amazing.

Also, PCI-E gen4 bandwich is not a big deal unless you're using it for this:

lol

 

[quadibloc]

Since it used to be dual-channel memory for Ryzen, quad-channel memory for Threadripper, and eight-channel memory for Epyc, I was wondering how going from 32 cores to 64 cores on Threadripper could possibly work. So if new chipsets for Threadripper, and the new Threadripper chips, support eight-channel memory, those chips won't be starved for bandwidth. This will be an exciting new era for enthusiast computing.

 

[Super XP]

Moving to 8-channel HEDT would be great, but I don't get why we would need three Threadripper chipsets (if these rumors were true).

3 new chip-sets would be great, 4 is better.
It gives people choice and I have no issue with that.

New Threadripper sound more interesting then Ryzen R9 39XX.
Special models with lower number of cores and higher frequency.
It would be ideal to AMD launch 10 core Threadripper as model with lowest number of core but highest frequency.
I mean on boost frequency for all cores. Becuase I don't understand nothing how Boost new Ryzen 3xxxx.

Both are interesting, both the Ryzen39XX and the Threadripper HEDT platforms.
Can't wait to see some benchmarks and that monster 8-Channel behemoth.

 

[efikkan]

3 new chip-sets would be great, 4 is better.
It gives people choice and I have no issue with that.

Too many, and the motherboard selection will be too sparse, like Intel's current HEDT/workstation lineup; X299, C422 and C621, the last two of which have hardly any motherboards at all.

 

[Super XP]

Too many, and the motherboard selection will be too sparse, like Intel's current HEDT/workstation lineup; X299, C422 and C621, the last two of which have hardly any motherboards at all.

You make a valid point.
Hopefully AMD doesn't mess it up lol

 

[kapone32]

Since it used to be dual-channel memory for Ryzen, quad-channel memory for Threadripper, and eight-channel memory for Epyc, I was wondering how going from 32 cores to 64 cores on Threadripper could possibly work. So if new chipsets for Threadripper, and the new Threadripper chips, support eight-channel memory, those chips won't be starved for bandwidth. This will be an exciting new era for enthusiast computing.

I am thinking that the top chipset WRX80 will have 8 channel memory and may be the only of the 3 to support 64 cores. We may even see a 96 core CPU on Threadripper for that too. Though I am not sure what anyone would want with even 64 cores.