Need to upgrade parts of my current build. Asking for advises.

[winterwonderland]

So. If you look at my specs, that is my current PC that i wish to upgrade, at least some parts of it. Not only that, but i also want to have a 2nd PC available as a nice backup, just in case. I've looked around a little, and i have come to the conclusion that i need to upgrade these parts:
- Motherboard: €100~150
- CPU: €200-300 (i cannot go much higher than €300, but feel free to list CPUs around €350, just in case)
- GPU: €200-300 (same as with CPU)
- I also need to get myself a doable cooler, and there i have set my eyes on Noctua NH-D15, as it fits within my budget.

I probably don't need to upgrade my RAM just yet, right?

The reasons i am in need of an upgrade is so that i can multitask a little more efficiently.
- An example: My work consists of having several streams (4-5) available on my screens while i do some browsing at the same time. Now it becomes very laggy and sometimes a bit slow when i am doing so. My connection is fine, though, so it's mostly the hardware.
- Another example is when i record i.e a screen with a flash running (such as a stream/casino event/etc), it gets a bit choppy/laggy sometimes when recording, even though i tried to optimize the settings as much as possible for my pc.
- Aside from that, i want to do some easy/basic gaming as well as some casual video/picture editing without things needing to be processed for a crazy amount of time (yep, i know it takes time to render etc.)

Any advises would be welcomed. And like always; thanks in advance!

 

[dirtyferret]

Why are you upgrading? What is the PC doing that is not up to your desire of performance? We need specific examples. Posting a budget and upgrade advice will just get you a list of everyone's favorite brands if you have no plan of what performance you want out of the PC.

 

[cucker tarlson]

32gb of slow ass 2133 ram confuses me.
what do you do with your pc ?
that ram will bottleneck any cpu for gaming purposes.

 

[winterwonderland]

Why are you upgrading? What is the PC doing that is not up to your desire of performance? We need specific examples. Posting a budget and upgrade advice will just get you a list of everyone's favorite brands if you have no plan of what performance you want out of the PC.

Pardon for the lack of information. I have updated the main thread now. My bad.

 

[cucker tarlson]

need moar corez for streaming
look at ryzen 2700 prices

what is your ram usage at peak ? do you need 32gb ? cause 2133 ddr4 is crap by today's standards.

 

[winterwonderland]

need moar corez for streaming
look at ryzen 2700 prices

what is your ram usage at peak ? do you need 32gb ? cause 2133 ddr4 is crap by today's standards.

Interesting. I have never had AMD cpu... AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz Socket AM4 is actually very reasonably priced here where i live... would that be any good compared to what i have? Also, if i would upgrade to AMD, i suppose i need a new motherboard that supports it too, yes?

 

[cucker tarlson]

yes you need any am4 mobo.b350 is fine,with bios upgrade.
streaming is cpu thread heavy,and since you're only targeting 60 fps streaming (I suppose) then go with amd.

for gpu go with 1660 or higher.

Spoiler: link

https://www.reddit.com/r/obs/comments/cd2gy3

Available Now: New GeForce-Optimized OBS and RTX Encoder Enables Pro-Quality Broadcasting on a Single PC

Improved encoders, faster framerates, and the new OBS update give GeForce RTX users the performance to stream and game simultaneously at maximum quality on one PC or Max-Q laptop.

www.nvidia.com

1650 still uses Volta nvenc.good,but turing is better

Nvidia Slips Volta NVENC Into GeForce GTX 1650 Instead Of Turing NVENC

The specifications for the GeForce GTX 1650 reveals that the graphics card is packing the old Volta NVENC encoder instead of the Turing NVENC encoder.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[NoJuan999]

I would look at these:
CPU: Ryzen 5 2600
MB: Asus ROG Strix B450-F
GPU: GTX 1660Ti
RAM: 16GB 3200

System Builder

de.pcpartpicker.com

Or
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
MB: MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX (It already has a BIOS that can Run a 3000 Series CPU)
GPU: GTX 1660Ti
RAM: 16GB 3200

System Builder

de.pcpartpicker.com

Either of those would be decent gaming/encoding rigs.
I had a 2600 (OC'd to 4 GHz) on my ROG Strix B450-F and I used it to stream to 2 1080p TV's via PLEX, encode video and Game and it did all of that well.
My new 3700x just does it better.

Or if you want a 2700x which is better for multi core streaming/encoding than the 2600 or 3600:
CPU: Ryzen 7 2700x
MB: Asus ROG Strix B450-F
GPU: GTX 1660Ti
RAM: 16GB 3200

System Builder

de.pcpartpicker.com

You could use your existing RAM for now, BUT faster RAM will definitely improve the overall system perfromance.

 

[winterwonderland]

yes you need any am4 mobo.b350 is fine,with bios upgrade.
streaming is cpu thread heavy,and since you're only targeting 60 fps streaming (I suppose) then go with amd.

for gpu go with 1660 or higher.

Spoiler: link

https://www.reddit.com/r/obs/comments/cd2gy3

Available Now: New GeForce-Optimized OBS and RTX Encoder Enables Pro-Quality Broadcasting on a Single PC

Improved encoders, faster framerates, and the new OBS update give GeForce RTX users the performance to stream and game simultaneously at maximum quality on one PC or Max-Q laptop.

www.nvidia.com

1650 still uses Volta nvenc.good,but turing is better

Nvidia Slips Volta NVENC Into GeForce GTX 1650 Instead Of Turing NVENC

The specifications for the GeForce GTX 1650 reveals that the graphics card is packing the old Volta NVENC encoder instead of the Turing NVENC encoder.

www.tomshardware.com

Yep, i like the sound of that! Thanks for being simple but yet thorough. Now i just gotta google the differences between Intel and AMD cpus. Never used AMD before... but if it would work for me + it's VERY budget friendly for my wallet, it seems to be a clear alternative for me now.

I would look:
CPU: Ryzen 5 2600
MB: Asus ROG Strix B450-F
GPU: GTX 1660Ti
RAM: 16GB 3200

System Builder

de.pcpartpicker.com

Or
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
MB: MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX (It already has a BIOS that can Run a 3000 Series CPU)
GPU: GTX 1660Ti
RAM: 16GB 3200

System Builder

de.pcpartpicker.com

Either of those would be decent gaming/encoding rigs.
I had a 2600 (OC'd to 4 GHz) on my ROG Strix B450-F and I used it to stream to 2 1080p TV's, encode video and Game and it did all of that well.
My new 3700x just does it better.

I see you suggest R5 instead of R7... why's that? I am asking because i get the R7 i mentioned above for the same price as R5 3600... hmm...

And clearly, 1660 seems to be the GPU to go for...

 

[cucker tarlson]

Yep, i like the sound of that! Thanks for being simple but yet thorough. Now i just gotta google the differences between Intel and AMD cpus. Never used AMD before... but if it would work for me + it's VERY budget friendly for my wallet, it seems to be a clear alternative for me now.



I see you suggest R5 instead of R7... why's that? I am asking because i get the R7 i mentioned above for the same price as R5 3600... hmm...

And clearly, 1660 seems to be the GPU to go for...

your use scenario suits amd's r7 2700 cpu profile - good nuff for 60 fps with great multithread performance for the price.
is gonna need faster ram though.2133 is gonna bottleneck the crap out of any cpu,ryzen and intel,but ryzen specifically since it works on infinity fabric connecting the ccx modules and needs low latency to perform well in gaming.3200 c16 is pretty budget friendly and should run fine on ryzen 2000

 

[NoJuan999]

Yep, i like the sound of that! Thanks for being simple but yet thorough. Now i just gotta google the differences between Intel and AMD cpus. Never used AMD before... but if it would work for me + it's VERY budget friendly for my wallet, it seems to be a clear alternative for me now.

I see you suggest R5 instead of R7... why's that? I am asking because i get the R7 i mentioned above for the same price as R5 3600... hmm...

And clearly, 1660 seems to be the GPU to go for...

See my Edited post above.
I added a 2700x build.
I was just trying to keep the price down with the first 2 builds, but the 2700x will perform better for multicore encoding/streaming.

 

[winterwonderland]

your use scenario suits amd's r7 2700 cpu profile - good nuff for 60 fps with great multithread performance for the price.
is gonna need faster ram though.2133 is gonna bottleneck the crap out of any cpu,ryzen and intel,but ryzen specifically since it works on infinity fabric connecting the ccx modules and needs low latency to perform well in gaming.3200 c16 is pretty budget friendly and should run fine on ryzen 2000

See my Edited post above.
I added a 2700x build.
I was just trying to keep the price down with the first 2 builds, but the 2700x will perform better for multicore encoding/streaming.

Replying both @cucker tarlson and @NoJuan999 - Yep, i am pretty much determined to go for R7 2700 now, seeing how good it really is AND how budget-friendly it is. the memory you two mention are different, no? what are the differences in those memory sticks you two mention? Also, can i go for 2x8GB for now and then maybe get another dose of 2x8GB later on if needed, or would it be better to just buy 2x16gb? Just thinking to limit the budget as much as possible...

What about the GPU? Any 1660s i should try to find? when i searched for 1660, i got waaay too many choices... Any examples on which ones i should go for? PNY? Asus? ... Not sure which one to pick.

As for mobo... either B350 or B450... both are priced the same over here... or are there specific b350 and b450 models that i should go for, perhaps?

Thanks again for quick responses and advises!

 

[cucker tarlson]

depends on your ram usage.how much are you using now at peak ?
any 1660 will do,go for msi gaming x if you can,avoid small form factor cards,go for dual fan
here's b450/x470 tier list,go for a midrange board that fits your budget

https://i.redd.it/7n48gewun0p21.png

 

[winterwonderland]

depends on your ram usage.how much are you using now at peak ?
any 1660 will do,go for msi gaming x if you can,avoid small form factor cards,go for dual fan
here's b450/x470 tier list,go for a midrange board that fits your budget

https://i.redd.it/7n48gewun0p21.png

Thanks a bunch for that list! That gives me a good idea on what to go for that fits my budget.

If you don't mind me asking, but what are small form factor cards? Brands such as PNY or so, or?

And i cannot/shouldn't go lower than 1660, right?

 

[cucker tarlson]

depends on your resolution
small factor cards are small,therefore produce more noise

 

[winterwonderland]

depends on your resolution
small factor cards are small,therefore produce more noise

Resolution? Well, i have only 1080p screens... which works fine for me, for sure.

 

[NoJuan999]

I listed the MSI GTX 1660 Ti Ventus because I have an MSI GTX 1660 Ti Armor OC that I really like and the Ventus is just a slightly slower version of my GPU which met your $300 budget.
And I listed the Asus ROG Strix B450-F because I have one and it is a Great MB and runs my 3700x very well so I know it would run a 2700x without any problem.
And the RAM kit I listed is compatible with both the Asus and MSI boards I listed.
Also 16 GBs is enough for most users and quite a bit cheaper than a 32 GB kit.
If you really need 32 GB of RAM due to you running some seriously Memory Intensive Apps, I would get a Good 3200 MHz C16 2x16 GB kit that is compatible with whatever motherboard you end up choosing.

 

[winterwonderland]

I listed the MSI GTX 1660 Ti Ventus because I have an MSI GTX 1660 Ti Armor OC that I really like and the Ventus is just a slightly slower version of my GPU which met your $300 budget.
And I listed the Asus ROG Strix B450-F because I have one and it is a Great MB and runs my 3700x very well so I know it would run a 2700x without any problem.
And the RAM kit I listed is compatible with both the Asus and MSI boards I listed.
Also 16 GBs is enough for most users and quite a bit cheaper than a 32 GB kit.
If you really need 32 GB of RAM due to you running some seriously Memory Intensive Apps, I would get a Good 3200 MHz C16 2x16 GB kit that is compatible with whatever motherboard you end up choosing.

Ah ok. Yes, i believe 16gb memory will all good for now.

Hmm.... cucker posted a list of mobos telling me that i should aim for those in mid-tier... the mobo you posted is on lower tier... which one should i go for? they are all priced about the same price range etc. And from that list, B450M Tomahawk is a lot more expensive than B450M Tomahwak Max.... can i go for the Max version, perhaps, or?

Now, i need to see if i can find the GPU on ebay or something.... that's the most costly piece of gear.

 

[NoJuan999]

The MSI B450 Tomahawk Max will work fine.
And I have seen that VRM Tier list as well.
But I know for a fact that my supposedly lower tier VRM handles the 3700x extremely well, since I have one installed as I'm typing this post.
I have a temperature sensor that I put on to of my VRM and it has never gone over 45c.
That VRM tier list is a good guide but you should take it with a grain of salt.

Here's the one he posted:

AM4 B450/X470 Motherboard Vcore VRM Tier List v1.3

docs.google.com

And here's another one:

AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.4 (2019-11-07)

docs.google.com

 

[cucker tarlson]

The MSI B450 Tomahawk Max will work fine.
And I have seen that VRM Tier list as well.
But I know for a fact that my supposedly lower tier VRM handles the 3700x extremely well, since I have one installed as I'm typing this post.
I have a temperature sensor that I put on to of my VRM and it has never gone over 45c.
That VRM tier list is a good guide but you should take it with a grain of salt.

Here's the one he posted:

AM4 B450/X470 Motherboard Vcore VRM Tier List v1.3

docs.google.com

And here's another one:

AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.4 (2019-11-07)

docs.google.com

thanks for the list.
was never aware of the existence of x370 fatal1ty pro,seems just as good as taichi but 10% cheaper here
might be my ryzen 3000 mobo if I ever get one.this smashes any entry level x570 and it's cheaper.

 

[MrPotatoHead]

Here's a thought, get a ryzen 3600 and an b450 max mb, freeing up 100-150 of your cpu budget, add that to your gpu budget and aim for a 2070 or 5700 for more gpu power, if you can oc that ram to 2400 you should be OK as there is only about a 5% difference with ryzen 3000 series in gaming with 2400-3200 ram.

Better ipc than your 6400 and a 2600/2700 also.

 

[cucker tarlson]

how is 3600 gonna "free up" more budget than 2700x ? they're the same price and 2700x goes on sale pretty often these days

 

[MrPotatoHead]

Gosh, let me see.. I was referring to the op...

CPU: €200-300 (i cannot go much higher than €300, but feel free to list CPUs around €350, just in case)

how is 3600 gonna "free up" more budget than 2700x ? they're the same price and 2700x goes on sale pretty often these days

 

[cucker tarlson]

Gosh, let me see.. I was referring to the op...

the op is set on 2700x
might wanna read the discussion

 

[kapone32]

So. If you look at my specs, that is my current PC that i wish to upgrade, at least some parts of it. Not only that, but i also want to have a 2nd PC available as a nice backup, just in case. I've looked around a little, and i have come to the conclusion that i need to upgrade these parts:
- Motherboard: €100~150
- CPU: €200-300 (i cannot go much higher than €300, but feel free to list CPUs around €350, just in case)
- GPU: €200-300 (same as with CPU)
- I also need to get myself a doable cooler, and there i have set my eyes on Noctua NH-D15, as it fits within my budget.

I probably don't need to upgrade my RAM just yet, right?

The reasons i am in need of an upgrade is so that i can multitask a little more efficiently.
- An example: My work consists of having several streams (4-5) available on my screens while i do some browsing at the same time. Now it becomes very laggy and sometimes a bit slow when i am doing so. My connection is fine, though, so it's mostly the hardware.
- Another example is when i record i.e a screen with a flash running (such as a stream/casino event/etc), it gets a bit choppy/laggy sometimes when recording, even though i tried to optimize the settings as much as possible for my pc.
- Aside from that, i want to do some easy/basic gaming as well as some casual video/picture editing without things needing to be processed for a crazy amount of time (yep, i know it takes time to render etc.)

Any advises would be welcomed. And like always; thanks in advance!

If I were you I would seriously look at Threadripper for what you wan to do. Right now you can get TR4 chips for dirt cheap. The MBs are not as expensive as they used to be either. For me a 1900X (faster than the 2700X) with an As Rock X399 Phantom Gaming 6 (cheapest TR$ board) would the cat's meow for you. It comes with a 2.5 Gbit LAN and has a spot for a WIFI 6 module (Like the Intel AX200). Noctua also makes a variant of their DH lines for TR4 and they cost about the same.