8 Pin PCI-E connector

Random Murderer · May 13, 2007

NOTE: Scroll to the bottom of this post for the correct diagram.

Ok, to start off, help on this would be greatly appreciated.

I'm trying to get a pin-out of the 8-Pin PCI-E connector for those of us who would rather make one than buy one, or who can't find one to buy (if anyone knows where to buy one, that would be good too).

So far, I have the original 6-pin pin-out thanks to our own W1zzard!
here's my more in-depth version, albeit made in paint...

Here's what I have on 8-pin so far, I don't know what the rails are, but the shape of the pins is a start...

I will keep this post(and the above image) edited as we find out more.

EDIT:
COMPLETED!!!

EDIT:
After further research and ample time of the cards that require these being released, the diagram I made was found to be wrong. I used a picture of a 6 to 8 pin adapter, and that company must have color coded the wires incorrectly. Thanks to KennyT772 we have an up-to-date, CORRECT diagram.

Random Murderer · May 13, 2007

Updated!

Wile E · Jun 19, 2007

OneCool said he tried running a 12v+ to the other pin, and it didn't work.

Can anybody confirm this?

Random Murderer · Jun 19, 2007

Wile E said:
OneCool said he tried running a 12v+ to the other pin, and it didn't work.

Can anybody confirm this?

he said so about the 2900xt, and we're not even sure if it just his card or not. verificataion would be appreciated.

W1zzard · Jun 19, 2007

afaik. to enable overdrive the 2900 xt needs to "see" the 4th ground pin connected, not the +12v one

Wile E · Jun 19, 2007

Would there be any benefit to attaching the 12v+, especially with stock cooling?

W1zzard · Jun 19, 2007

ati says better overclocking. i seriously doubt it, but if you want to use ccc overclocking you must have the 4th ground connected for the overdrive tab to be visible

OneCool · Jul 3, 2007

W1zzard said:
afaik. to enable overdrive the 2900 xt needs to "see" the 4th ground pin connected, not the +12v one

Yeah that's all.

As far as the extra 12v line I seen know deference in OCing at all

KennyT772 · Jul 28, 2007

.

The correct diagram made in paint. Correct pinouts and socket, the current diagram at the top of the page is incorrect in both.

hat · Jul 28, 2007

I want to use molex

DeathVark · Aug 1, 2007

found adapter: converts 6-pin to 8-pin.
$9.99 but shipping to me is like another $8 :banghead:

Anybody seen cheaper?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6088/cab-97/6_Pin_PCI-E_to_8_Pin_PCI-E2_Adapter_Cable.html?tl=g11c28#options

Wile E · Aug 1, 2007

HAHAHAHAHA!!! BOTH extra pins are ground. Talk about a marketing scam. lol

Sasqui · Oct 3, 2007

DeathVark said:
found adapter: converts 6-pin to 8-pin.
$9.99 but shipping to me is like another $8
Anybody seen cheaper?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6088/cab-97/6_Pin_PCI-E_to_8_Pin_PCI-E2_Adapter_Cable.html?tl=g11c28#options

I looked and can't find anything cheaper myself - just ordered one. I'd prefer to see one with an additional 4-pin Molex draw, but two dedicated 6-pin pci-e connectors should do it... My system (X1950XTX) now draws 320 Watts under load (measured with Kill-A-Watt). And thats with a single 6-pin connector.

Deleted member 3 · Oct 3, 2007

Wile E said:
HAHAHAHAHA!!! BOTH extra pins are ground. Talk about a marketing scam. lol

Talk about not understanding electronics. Obviously the current on those pins can be pretty high, therefor the extra ground.

Tatty_Two · Oct 3, 2007

Excuse my ignorance not having a 2900 card, but for those who have not got the 8 pin PCI-E....what proggie are you using to overclock?

DonInKansas · Oct 3, 2007

Find em on Ebay. Way cheaper.

KennyT772 · Oct 3, 2007

Atitool, ati clock set, tray tools, i think rivatuner works too.

Sasqui · Oct 4, 2007

DanTheBanjoman said:
Talk about not understanding electronics. Obviously the current on those pins can be pretty high, therefor the extra ground.

Who knows... I *wish* someone would test that, I don't have the equipment. The ATX std wire guage may or may not support it - the question is what amps the pins draw - for sure.

Sasqui · Oct 4, 2007

DonInKansas said:
Find em on Ebay. Way cheaper.

Have you seen them.

KennyT772 · Oct 4, 2007

In order for a PSU to be pci-e 2.0 certified the 8pin power cables have to be higher gauge wire, enough so they can handle like 4amp per wire. That is easy for even 22ga wire but some cheaper units cannot output this kind of amperage over each wire. 12.5amp over 3 wires is quite a bit a juice so instead of just requiring higher gauge all around, they added 2 extra grounds making it only 2.5amp per ground. This allows smaller gauge ground wire to be used saving cost and sets an easy way to check if the power supply is pci-e 2.0 compliant.

Sasqui · Oct 4, 2007

KennyT772 said:
In order for a PSU to be pci-e 2.0 certified the 8pin power cables have to be higher gauge wire, enough so they can handle like 4amp per wire. That is easy for even 22ga wire but some cheaper units cannot output this kind of amperage over each wire. 12.5amp over 3 wires is quite a bit a juice so instead of just requiring higher gauge all around, they added 2 extra grounds making it only 2.5amp per ground. This allows smaller gauge ground wire to be used saving cost and sets an easy way to check if the power supply is pci-e 2.0 compliant.

Thx Kenny - did you write that or is it a quote?

Wile E · Oct 4, 2007

DanTheBanjoman said:
Talk about not understanding electronics. Obviously the current on those pins can be pretty high, therefor the extra ground.

Well, where is the benefit to these extra grounds, when they are just jumped off of the other grounds, as per the photo of the adapter? And, considering that I haven't heard of anyone melting their 6pin connectors, I seriously doubt there is any real benefit to the 8pin, unless, of course, your psu manufacturer cheaped out on the wire gauges. If that's the case, you probably should've bought a better psu to begin with. My understanding of electronics is what lead me to deduce that this is a scam.

bassmasta · Oct 7, 2007

wait now, I just thought of a fun thought. If the extra ground is to help with the "high current" coming off of the pins, doesn't that mean that the yellow wires would melt before the black ones? unless the 2900 has a generator in it, or there is a shortage of ground-pins, What's the point?

newtekie1 · Oct 7, 2007

Random Murderer said:

This can't be right, can it? You can put a 6-pin plug into an 8-pin socket, so if this was right the 12vDC on the 6-pin would be going into the ground of the 8-pin.

Wile E · Oct 7, 2007

newtekie1 said:
This can't be right, can it? You can put a 6-pin plug into an 8-pin socket, so if this was right the 12vDC on the 6-pin would be going into the ground of the 8-pin.

Nope, post #9 has the correct diagram.

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