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What Gaming pc can I get for an 1200$ US Budget?

I love my PSU.
Sounds like a starter solenoid when powering on.

Braided cables you say? We are talking about the sleeve or the actual wires.
Meh, I prefer copper wire over aluminum. Again my opinion, not looking for a brawl over aluminum vs copper wire here lol.
 
Do you actually have any experience building with this PSU or are you just talking about stuff you read online
No experience building with them in years because I have a repair business and have quite a bit of experience replacing failed Corsair PSUs in the CX and VS series. So we avoid those entry level series.
Braided cables you say? We are talking about the sleeve or the actual wires.
While assuming often gets me into trouble, I assume he meant the sleeves. And pretty sure aluminum wires haven't been used in consumer electronics in decades.
 
No experience building with them in years because I have a repair business and have quite a bit of experience replacing failed Corsair PSUs in the CX and VS series. So we avoid those entry level series.
While assuming often gets me into trouble, I assume he meant the sleeves. And pretty sure aluminum wires haven't been used in consumer electronics in decades.

I think they call it copper clad (coated) aluminum wires. They kinda do look like copper wires though!
 
Maybe replace the CX650 with an RM550?
 
I'd go for 650w minimum for possible future upgradeability and definitely wouldn't overlook Corsair CX. I have one that's still going strong after eight years.
As for the Windows license, I would advise the OP to dig out a Win 7 or 8 license before it's too late, thus saving himself a fortune. Perfectly legal and above board too.
 
I'd go for 650w minimum for possible future upgradeability and definitely wouldn't overlook Corsair CX. I have one that's still going strong after eight years.
As for the Windows license, I would advise the OP to dig out a Win 7 or 8 license before it's too late, thus saving himself a fortune. Perfectly legal and above board too.
Why windows 7 or 8?
Can get W10 on ebay sub-20$ on a thumb drive with legit key.
 
Why windows 7 or 8?
Can get W10 on ebay sub-20$ on a thumb drive with legit key.
I was trying to say that a Win 7 or 8 key can be used to activate Win 10.
Sorry for the vagueness on my part.
 
I think they call it copper clad (coated) aluminum wires.
Copper clad aluminum (CCA) wire technology is totally different from pure aluminum wires. As I noted earlier, aluminum wire, as in all aluminum wire is not used in electronics anymore as it is electronically inferior to pure copper - especially in DC applications which makes sense if you understand how DC flows through a conductor (no skin effect). Aluminum also has a much lower tensile strength than copper making it unsuitable where wire durability and mobility are required.

There are some acceptable applications for CCA wires, however. For example, CCA is often used in transformer windings (windings, of course, conduct AC and are immobile) to reduce weight in avionics and portable devices. However, because aluminum costs less than copper, CCA, sadly, is often used deceptively :( in cheap generic and counterfeit "knock-off" products and other applications because outwardly, it looks the same as pure copper wire. Unless weight is a factor, it is best to avoid CCA.

With the understanding this article was written by a company that makes pure copper cables and therefore may have a biased slant to it, the facts presented are true and it does show some of the problems with CCA.
 
Which, Im if Im not mistaken, most of those sub 100$ power supplies use CCA wiring.

Aluminum coated with copper is still an aluminum wire, it doesnt matter how you want to arrange the wording because you still have to implement the words "aluminum and wire" with the words "copper clad" in the same sentence.
Then its just word play.

tensile strength of aluminum wire is not an argument.
The power companies use and always have, aluminum wires from the pole to your house. The only copper is in the box and in the home.

This is done to keep costs down, just like a lot of these 550w PSUs using old designs.... Again to keep costs down.

So then you have a nice 65$ 550w PSU and people run around talking how they are great, low costs, should be plenty to run my system with a 800$ VGA or even 400$ vga and want to put trust and reliability into these small cheaply built units.

Like I said. Not looking for argument.

Aluminum wire with a coating.... Is still aluminum wire. Period.

And these cheap PSUs are cheap. Cheap to purchase, cheaply built and cheap aluminum coated wires.

Dont believe me, read techpowerup reviews of these low wattage low cost PSUs....
 
Which, Im if Im not mistaken, most of those sub 100$ power supplies use CCA wiring.
Sorry, but you are mistaken.
Then its just word play.
No its not. I suggest you take some basic electronics courses and learn how current (both AC and DC) flows through conductors.
tensile strength of aluminum wire is not an argument.
The power companies use and always have, aluminum wires from the pole to your house. The only copper is in the box and in the home.
I repeat what I just said. PLEASE take some basic electronics courses. Check the link in my sig to see if I might know a little about it.
Aluminum wire with a coating.... Is still aluminum wire. Period.
No its not. Again, learn electronics. Learn what skin effect is and how AC uses it but DC does not. Understand why that would matter inside an AC to DC power supply - where, by the way, there are a few scant inches of wires, not feet. Learn how copper is a MUCH better conductor (even though aluminum is still a great one) and why that would matter in a computer power supply - especially one that is 80 PLUS certified (of which many cost less than $100).

Of course tensile strength matters. And power companies? :rolleyes: Come on. You cannot compare 4AWG and 6AWG stranded wire in .6 inch diameter service drop cables with integrated strain relief features deigned to survive 100MPH winds with distances from pole to house of 100 feet or more while carrying 600VAC at 200 amps to the wires found inside a PSU.

Dont believe me, read techpowerup reviews of these low wattage low cost PSUs....
No. Sorry but I don't. I just spent more than 30 minutes pulling up PSU reviews and not one mentioned aluminum or CCA wires. Not one!

So why don't you provide some links to those TPU reviews that prove your claim that "most" sub $100 PSUs use CCA wiring? Prove me wrong and I'll readily admit it.
 
I'd wait and see what comes out next month ... and perhaps thru 1st quarter. If nothing else, it will drive down the price of current generation technology. When starting, make a list of the things you do and pick the CPU / Platform based upon application / gaming performance. Forget core counts, die sizes and anything else that is irrelevant. If you're only gaming than the CPU that is the best for you is the one that games fastest ... if you do Photo / Video editing and other things ... go into comparison reviews and see how it does with your apps / games. How fast it does 3D CAD rendering is only relevant if you do 3D CAD rendering. That goes for all componenty

1. CPU - Not suggesting either of these for you build but this is the type of comparison review, you should be looking at, again looking at only things that you actually do. As an example, let's assume these are you interests:

Gaming performance:
1080p - https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/images/relative-performance-games-1920-1080.png
1440p - https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/images/relative-performance-games-2560-1440.png

Office Suite performance:

Photo / Video performance:

Of course, on the gaming ... go beyond the Game Suite testing and look at the games you are most interested in.

Finally, consider whether or not you need GFX capability on the CPU, useful for example to feed a 2nd screen where you can keep utilities, browser, Discord, etc. And if comparing, if possible, choose a CPU w/o GFX caoability if you don't need it because you will be feeding screen off your GFX card

2. MoBo - I have seen folks [pair $300 / $500 CPus with < $100 MoBos. In most cases, i don't see the logic here. Recognize that the reason these budget boards have such low prices, it's because you are missin g features which may effect storage options as well as other subsytems. You may not need or want the chipset options, but along with missing those, you are also getting gaming substandard subssyems such as audio and LAN. By the time you look for a budget board with ALC 1220 and Z / X series comparable LA, you are no longer in the budget range and are at or neay the cost of the X / Z series MoBos.

3. RAM - Speed increases come at marginal cost intil a point at which the curve breaks and begins to rise sharply. DDR4-3000 CAS 15, DDR403200 CAS 16 and DDR4-3600 CAS 18 are all between $70 and $75 for 2 x 8 GB. If ya can find lower CAS w/o too much of a price increase, worth grabbing.

4. GFX - Big question here ... do you use MSI Afterburner or equivalent to tweak GFX settings. While AMD doesn't really have anything to compete at the higher levels, what you choose very much depends on the answer to that question ... in the middle tiers, the AMD card is close or faster outta the box, but due to low clocking headroom, once ya get at it w/ MSI AB, the nVidia card overtakes it. For example in the $225 - $300 range , the MSI 1660 Super Gaming X is faster, and $40 cheaper than the Vega 56 @ 1080p ... with 100 watts less power draw and heat production and the Vega 56 being 2.3 times as loud and 8C hotter.

5. Storage - We normally put one SSD and one SSHD in every build, haven't used a HD in 8 or 9 years. This is mostly a budget situation. There is no doubt that SSDs are faster, but the way they are tested and reviewed does little to inform the reader how it performs in every day usage and "will ya notice". We found that users do not. In boxes configured as described above, when we changed the boot drive from the SSD to the SSHD no one noticed (5 users ... 6 weeks) . boot time for SSD was 15.6 seconds, versus 16.5 with the SSHD. If budget allows, 2 TB+ of SSD is an option, but 500 GB SSD and 2 TB SSHD will probably make more sense in your budget range.

6. Case - Skip the bling bling and focus on cooling. Recommend a case that has good cable routing, plenty of room to work in and 140mm fan mounts. Use (1) 140mm 1250 rpm fan for each 75 - 100 watts of component heat. Also you'll want 1.3 - 1.5 intake fans for each exhaust fan. Intake fans are restricted by inlet filters which reduce air flow, especially if you lax on cleaning them. If you don't adhere to this, you will find, that exhaust air from your PSU and GFX card gets sucked back into the case thru the rear case grille.

7. PSU - We used to keep a bunch of PSUs on our recommended list ... these days, outside of abig sale, I find it hard to pick anything but the Seasonic Gold Plus
 
So why don't you provide some links to those TPU reviews that prove your claim that "most" sub $100 PSUs use CCA wiring? Prove me wrong and I'll readily admit it.

How about I don't and use Tom's Hardware for you instead.

While many think they are getting pure copper wires, there's been plenty of complaints through the years about warm cables. THIS is a top indication of Aluminum (CCA or other alloy) being used instead of pure copper. Also a good indicator of a thin gauge, which also wouldn't be desired even if it where pure copper wires (which mostly not pure due to recycling.)

So What If The Cable Gets Warm After All?
This means that the manufacturer cut some corners with regard to copper pureness (and your safety). Most of the copper for these cables comes from recycled raw materials, which of course isn't a bad thing in and of itself. However, internal tests by PSU manufacturers show that using alloys containing aluminum, magnesium or zinc are popular ways to keep prices low.
Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-power-supply-balance,3979-6.html

Let me put into comment that they surely don't advertise pure copper wires..... because they'd be lying.
 
i wonder what op pick, show me that trident:D
 
Yeah, the OP has me on tenterhooks now.
Let us know, please!
 
How about I don't and use Tom's Hardware for you instead.
LOL Instead of showing us even just one example where TPU reports CCA wires are used in a PSU, you post a link to an article that has absolutely NOTHING to do with CCA wires! :confused: :( Did you think no one would notice?

It was a couple simple mistakes to say that "most" under $100 PSU contain CCA wires, and that TPU reviews make a point about them. There's no shame in admitting mistakes. In fact, fessing up to our mistakes earns respect IMO.

We are all human.

Did you read that Tom's article? I did - all 9 pages and no where, not once were CCA (or aluminum) wires mentioned.

1. AWG has absolutely nothing to do with whether the wire is made of copper, aluminum, an alloy or is a copper wire coated in aluminum. AWG is all about the "gauge" or "diameter" of the wire - as stated on that page you linked too!​
2. If you had read it, you would have seen, again on the very page you linked to, it talks about the "purity" of the copper and how some makers use copper "alloys" that may contain aluminum. I hope you understand the difference between a wire made of an "alloy" containing copper and aluminum, and a copper wire that is "coated" with aluminum (CCA). :(

Again, anyone with just little training in basic electronics would know manufactures can easily compensate for the higher resistance of aluminum (~61% of copper) simply by using larger diameter (smaller AWG numbers) wires and still meet all necessary safety and current carrying requirements.

So PLEASE ShimpBrime, stop digging yourself into a deeper hole. Most (if not all) PSUs use copper wires (or maybe copper "alloys"), not CCA wires.

Now please, if you can show us actual examples where CCA wires are widely used in sub $100 PSUs, I will gladly admit I was wrong. Otherwise, let's just move on.
 
Well I suppose I meant read reviews about how the PSUs use old designs to save on costs, but not directly that they use CCA, or Alloy, or even pure copper wire because there is very little to no information.

There's no information dictating that full copper wires are used in sub 100$ PSUs either, which I suppose is neither here nor there.

Didn't want to get into it, I do know that Ethernet cables for many years used CCA and so did PSUs.

Could just pull my EVGA PSU and scrape one of the wires down, but I'm not in the mood to tear down a rig for it.....

HOWEVER, I have the EVGA box sitting here, and there is no mention of using pure copper wires as you're suggesting they use in cheaper power supplies today.

So until you can provide me with solid information that Low wattage low cost PSUs do in fact use "pure" copper wiring, then I'll also gladly admit I'm wrong, but you must show evidence they use pure copper in all makes and models.

Ah, can't find that information I've just requested either????

Then yes, let's move on bud.
 
You "suppose" you meant something totally different from what you actually said? :rolleyes:

There's no information dictating that full copper wires are used in sub 100$ PSUs either, which I suppose is neither here nor there.

HOWEVER, I have the EVGA box sitting here, and there is no mention of using pure copper wires as you're suggesting
Why would there be mention of that? The expectation is that copper wires are used. Of course there is nothing "dictating" full copper wires are used. Why would there be? There is no reason there should be.

There's nothing dictating stranded or solid wires be use. There's nothing dictating solder alloy ratios. There's nothing dictating aluminum, copper or gold be used on contacts.

You just keeping digging yourself in deeper with nonsense. Why?

So until you can provide me with solid information that Low wattage low cost PSUs do in fact use "pure" copper wiring

Low wattage? More nonsense. What does low wattage have to do with it. The wattage has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with quality or type of wires used. That's just as silly as your AWG nonsense, or power poll drops, or Tom's AWG article. Or your nonsense about warm cables. That is NOT an indication of aluminum (CCA or other alloy). It is simply an indication of too much current for the size of the conductor!

All you have done is show us is you've never been a student of electronics. You may have played around with computers, but you don't know practical or applied electronics. Please stop pretending.

So yeah, nice try.

And do you want me to prove unicorns don't exist too? You are the one that claimed "if Im not mistaken, most of those sub 100$ power supplies use CCA wiring.", then offered not one example or shred of evidence to back your claim. Then you claimed TechPowerUP reviews show that cheap PSUs use cheap aluminum coated wires yet again, did not offer one example.
Didn't want to get into it, I do know that Ethernet cables for many years used CCA and so did PSUs.
If you didn't want to get into it, you should have done your homework and stopped posting falsehoods long ago. I already showed with supporting evidence where some cheap Ethernet cables used CCA. But there is no evidence showing PSUs did. Please backup your claims, okay?

No worries, mods. I'm done here.
 
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Well look at you strut your stuff!!

It's obvious that the fact is you haven't stripped a wire from any PSU in "decades" as you so put it descriptively.

Picture. Says 1000 words. That's braided insulation over straight.... not copper wire. And don't tell me they coat copper wire now too. That would defeat the purpose of using copper in the first place.

Oh and let me additional comment:

Not CCA here, that might be a best case scenario, this is straight aluminum or alloy unknown, I do stand corrected. They are not CCA wires, just straight aluminum or sort of alloy but there's no copper here.


Nuff said yet??
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