AMD Announces Ryzen 9 3950X, Details 3rd Gen Ryzen Threadripper, unlocked Athlon 3000G

[Dave65]

DROOLS over them TR parts. But that Athlon looks mighty interesting also for my youngest grand child.

 

[Metroid]

September has become November and intel most likely, done for. Now the only thing that matters is to see if 16 cores 32 threads really work without problems with dual channel. I would never buy the 3950x before the benchmarks, so I advise any to do the same..

 

[dicktracy]

No more cheap prices. No buy.

 

[phanbuey]

It was only a matter of time before the sticker price was going to creep up.

Intel will be price / perf for a while then there will be a 'transition' generation like the original conroe vs K10 where we will get an e6600 for cheap, then they will go back to premium pricing.

September has become November and intel most likely, done for. Now the only thing that matters is to see if 16 cores 32 threads really work without problems with dual channel. I would never buy the 3950x before the benchmarks, so I advise any to do the same..

It will just be a faster and slightly hotter 3900x methinks... Not sure it will be worth the $$ for the large majority of use cases.

 

[kapone32]

The silver lining on the dark cloud of TR40 will be that people will still be able to get into HEDT but they will have to get X399. I can see X399 boards like the Gigabyte Designaire dropping to under $400 and some of the other ones like As Rock Phantom and Asus Prime dropping to the mid $200 range. When the 3950X goes into stores the 2950X should be around $500 and the 2920X around $300. This should put the 1900X under $200 and the 1920X in the range of $250. The 1950X will probably be $350 or $400. I know that the IPC gains are realized in Ryzen2 TR4 processors but with all of that throughput X399 should satisfy most enthusiasts wishes. As far as the 3950X having 44 PCI-E lanes they would have to release new boards under X570 as no board currently supports that.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

at least AMD is worth every cent than (sh)Intel's current offerings. I don't mind spending $750 for such beastly CPU on the mainstream platform. As long it floors the i9-9900K or KS (whatever Intel wanna name it), that's good for me. Also, imagine enabling ECO Mode on the 3950X, dropping the TDP to 65W when doing light work. on a 240mm AIO CLC or custom loop, temps will be in the low 40C or cooler. Intel is done for. Losing more grounds to AMD if they weren't so full of themselves, recycling the old 14nm from Skylake all the way to Ice Lake or whatever-Lake they're releasing. Also, adding more PCIe lanes & reserving for HEDTs is a big mistake. Too little too late.

 

[DeOdView]

Wish I had $1100 to get a new CPU/MB/RAM, I wouldn't mind having a 3950x just for the sake of having one....

Then again, I wish I had $500-600 for a 3700x plus MB/RAM.

It will be nice to read through the reviews when they get released. I just feels good to see that AMD is back in the game after all these years of playing catch up.

LOL At least now I know I'm not alone. I grew up.... urghh... ok OLD...

+ 600 dollars for 8 more cores when comparing 3970X and 3960X is just a HUGE SCAM considering 3700X cost 330 dollars ( that's including the substrate , IMC die , IHS , reatail package , margins etc etc ) ! AMD deserves a lot of credit but they also deserve a lot of flak when they do things like this ......

What is your thought on Intel?

 

[Deleted member 171912]

New gen HEDT CPU

Excellent 2nd gen Threadripper was for enthusiasts and scientists. Sorry AMD, but 3rd gen Threadripper is for scientists (workstations) only. Sad to say, but old/new 10980XE will be better choice for enthusiasts than new 3rd gen Threadripper (server CPU). And because difference between 3950 a 3960 is so BIG, 10980XE will be new HEDT entry point CPU soon.

Bye, bye Threadripper.

 

[kapone32]

New gen HEDT CPU

Excellent 2nd gen Threadripper was for enthusiasts and scientists. Sorry AMD, but 3rd gen Threadripper is for scientists (workstations) only. Sad to say, but old/new 10980XE will be better choice for enthusiasts than new 3rd gen Threadripper (server CPU). And because difference between 3950 a 3960 is so BIG, 10980XE will be new HEDT entry point CPU soon.

Bye, bye Threadripper.

Umm I don't think so X399 will still be viable and provide more PCI_E lanes than 10980XE.

 

[GoldenX]

Kinda lame we don't have 4 core Zen2 options.
Why do people insist on using a 32 core CPU for gaming? It's a goddamn workstation CPU, it's intended for that kind of work load only.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

These are incredibly powerful chips. 32 cores, 128MB of L3 cache, 4.5 GHz boost speed, 64 PCIe 4.0 lanes....that is a LOT of tech in a very small space. Sure, its 4x the price for 2x the cores and cahce of a 3950x, but you also get more then double the PCIE 4.0 lanes, from 20 to 44 (THAT aint cheap) plus additional lanes for NVMe and SATA storage, a quad channel DDR4 controller, in a niche market. It's a newer, more powerful platform with better expansion opportunity.

But apparently AMD isnt allowed to sell high margin CPUs. If they are not barrgins, AMD is no better then hitler to the peanut gallery. You guys realize the $500 12 core 3900x isnt going away, right? You can still get lots of cores on the cheap, stop whining you dont have the money for a $2K CPU. If you want AMD to compete they need the money to fight intel's massive R+D budget.

 

[Nater]

Shouldn't the $1400 price tag also be a scam then? 3700x times 3 is 24 cores for $990? Seems to me the 3970x should be priced at $1870 if you look at the base price for the entry level 3960x (1400 : 24 * 32). Looking at it that way, it is $130 more expensive, which is in line with other processors. I can get the 3000G for $50, 2C/4T, but I cannot get a 8C/16T CPU from AMD for $200. Where is your outrage there?

Either everything is a scam or people will spend the money on the CPU that best suits their need. It's not like there is false or deceptive advertising or they are forced to buy AMD at gun point. You really need to adjust your outrage meter to normal, non-internet levels.


How does the 3950x on AM4 get that many PCIe lanes? Are you counting the X570 chipset in there as well? AM4 CPUs generally only have 16+4+4 (with some APUs even less I think).

I'm with you. I see it from another lens as well - I don't have to build a WHOLE other computer to get nearly the same performance. 1x 32 core threadripper system is going to be cheaper/easier than 4x 8c Ryzen rigs. I shudder at just opening all the boxes and assembly alone. You're paying a small premium to get it all under one hood, but it sure beats having to manage 4 times the hardware and hoping your software supports running over a network.

 

[xkm1948]

Pricing is a bit meh considering Intel's new pricing system for their HEDT.

I assume no AVX-512. Also now officially confirmed no X399 support for Gen3 TR so no upgrade path for the TR system we have in lab. Real bummer.

I will wait around and see some scientific computing benchmark first.

 

[Tomgang]

Kinda lame we don't have 4 core Zen2 options.
Why do people insist on using a 32 core CPU for gaming? It's a goddamn workstation CPU, it's intended for that kind of work load only.

First of buying a quad-core for gaming now is not something I will recommend. Games are moving away from using 4 cores. Today it's 6 cores and better yet 12 threads that is the norm and besides that I also see more and more people complaining about stuttering with a quad-core in games as well. These days my recommendation for games are 6 core/12 threads like ryzen 5 3600.

I would never chose a quad-core cpu today for gaming unless I whas so dam poor I cut not afford anything better.

 

[techguymaxc]

You NEVER bought AMD before.

I've deleted the vitriol in your post and will respond to this statement.

My first AMD CPU was an AM5x86-P100, a Socket 7 CPU which was a drop-in upgrade for a 486. Overclocked to 133MHz via dip switch. Very cool chip. Both figuratively, and literally, as these were in the days before heatsinks became necessary to cool desktop CPUs.

I've also owned the following AMD CPUs, during what I consider to be their heyday:
Athlon XP 1700+, and 2800+
Athlon 64 3000+
Opteron 175

I've also owned AMD-powered laptops, and an Athlon II X3 460.

I bought and overclocked my first AMD CPU likely before you were even born.

As for Radeon GPUs, I owned the very first model, and many thereafter, including numerous Crossfire systems (early adopter there as well, anyone remember Master and slave cards?)

I buy the best hardware for my budget and use-case.

 

[gamefoo21]

Jeebus that R9 3950X is going to be a monster power pig if it's stock cooler is a 280mm AIO.

Consider that the Fury X stock as a rock, running Fur Mark hits 47'C loaded and it's running a single 120mm rad...

That card was crunching 250W...

Not that I mind, hopefully it drives the 3900X prices down.

 

[Tomgang]

All these cores makes me confused

How about we go back to single core and no ht/smt

 

[dicktracy]

New gen HEDT CPU

Excellent 2nd gen Threadripper was for enthusiasts and scientists. Sorry AMD, but 3rd gen Threadripper is for scientists (workstations) only. Sad to say, but old/new 10980XE will be better choice for enthusiasts than new 3rd gen Threadripper (server CPU). And because difference between 3950 a 3960 is so BIG, 10980XE will be new HEDT entry point CPU soon.

Bye, bye Threadripper.

It's more targeted for Intel HEDT users than TR ones. $2000 for the 7980XE wasn't a problem for them and AMD knows it. Only people who loses from this isn't even Intel fanboys but the AMD side.

 

[heflys20]

90% best case scenario, but the 10980XE 18c/36t costs less than half the price.

Well, the 3970x is 32c/64t, plus features PCI 4.0...

 

[Deathy]

From what I've read/seen, it's going to be specific X570 boards that have this many lanes available, unlikely that every X570 board will have/support them.

You really should state so and not just refer to a CPU (3950x) with 44 PCIe lanes, which is false. The AM4 Zen 2 CPUs have 24 PCIe 4.0 lanes of which, 4 are reserved for the chipset communication (I have not seen a non-chipset motherboard in the wild, although it should be possible in theory, the AMD CPUs are SoCs after all). And the X570 chipset has 20 4.0 lanes of which 4 are reserved for communication with the CPU. So you have a total of 36 PCIe 4.0 lanes that can be used for graphics cards, storage, controllers and other slots. That is the CPU plus X570 chipset and goes for every Zen 2 CPU, not just the 3950x. But that is also not the point here, since you can pair the 3950x with other motherboards, thus losing your stated PCIe lanes. It is much better to clearly state what you are talking about.

 

[HwGeek]

Robert from AMD came to visit:

 

[champsilva]

Well, the 3970x is 32c/64t, plus features PCI 4.0...

Double the price, AVG 60% performance for 100% price increase. Not sure if it's a good deal

Well you can also add some features sets that Intel has and AMD doesnot.

Plus some optimized softwares.

 

[techguymaxc]

Double the price, AVG 60% performance for 100% price increase. Not sure if it's a good deal

Well you can also add some features sets that Intel has and AMD doesnot.

Plus some optimized softwares.

I don't know that it's fair to say the 3970x will be 60% faster than the 9980xe/10980xe on average. The average seems to be somewhere in the 40-50% range, with outliers at 36% and 90% in Cinebench, which is basically a cache benchmark at this point.

Don't get me wrong, 40-50% faster than Intel's flagship HEDT part (excluding the insane W-3175x) is nothing to sneeze at. It's just not worth the cost for me at $2500-$3000 for a platform upgrade to get another 40-50% performance.

 

[heflys20]

Double the price, AVG 60% performance for 100% price increase. Not sure if it's a good deal

For people who have the budget and want top performance, it's probably worth it.

 

[kapone32]

For people who have the budget and want top performance, it's probably worth it.

I would be interesting if game developers used the new TR4 to create games.