AMD Updates Roadmaps to Lock RDNA2 and Zen 3 onto 7nm+, with 2020 Launch Window

[Minus Infinity]

Anything Navi will not be a new architecture, if it's a new architecture it will get a different name.
I think Lisa Su as usual is intentionally vague.


Navi was not designed for ray tracing. Remenber that Navi was supposed to launch early 2018, even before Turing. If a Navi family chip shows up with some kind of ray tracing support, it will be something primitive thrown in relatively late in the design process, and nothing integrated like Turing.


If your use case is primarily gaming, I suggest to wait one more cycle, and when you upgrade you also buy something one tier up so it lasts longer. I generally recommend upgrading when you "need" more performance, and there is something significantly better available.

It's AMD's own naming, Navi+ is not the same as Navi. Navi was claiming to be all new architecture, but that's BS, it's an evolution of CCN. Navi+ is supposed to be clean slate architecture. Now I haven't heard them refute that, even if it doesn't have ray tracing support. Mavi won't compete very well against Ampere IMO, so Navi+ better be more than a refresh with some tweak and faster memory and clocks.

 

[bug]

Consoles set baseline for game developers. I don't know if you are from the same planet as I am.

Most of us aren't. But here we are, all on the same forum...

 

[voltage]

my nvidia and intel system has given me 0 issues and I own over 1000 games... /shrug AMD seems to be crashing on lots of games according to many Navi owners and gamersnexus review.

at least you are one person besides myself that didn't get sucked into the amd hype train.

 

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at least you are one person besides myself that didn't get sucked into the amd hype train.

It's not a hype train, AMD works for many people.

 

[efikkan]

It's AMD's own naming, Navi+ is not the same as Navi. Navi was claiming to be all new architecture, but that's BS, it's an evolution of CCN. Navi+ is supposed to be clean slate architecture. Now I haven't heard them refute that, even if it doesn't have ray tracing support. Mavi won't compete very well against Ampere IMO, so Navi+ better be more than a refresh with some tweak and faster memory and clocks.

AMD can surely name things whatever they want, but your claim of "Navi+" being a different architecture than "Navi" sounds unlikely to me. What PR people refers to as a "new architecture" is fluid to begin with, but it makes no sense that different architectures will get the same name. I find it more likely that they will try to rebrand a Navi refresh as "new" when it's really not.

I haven't seen any confirmation about which chip configurations and market segments AMD plan to target. But it has been a long time since we've seen a fresh top-to-bottom lineup from AMD.

 

[Aquinus]

You're probably not convinced we need a GPU for video either and shudder at the thought of the resources that go unused while browsing the Internet

People actually watch video.

 

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People actually watch video.

The implication being that put the GPU to good use? Or?

 

[TheGreatPascalian]

"The two will be based on 7 nm+ , which is AMD-speak for the 7 nanometer EUV silicon fabrication process at TSMC "
Says who actually ? I have never seen AMD claim something about EUV, there is also better DUV version for 2020 which is called 7nm+ as well.

 

[Aquinus]

The implication being that put the GPU to good use? Or?

The point being that people actually watch video. In fact I would say that most normal users probably watch more video than even using their GPU for rendering (maybe not for the users here at TPU, but I wouldn't call you and I "normal users.") It's useful because people actually use it for something they do; watch videos. If nVidia didn't attempt to shove RT down people's throats, it's usage would be practically non-existent. Even now its adoption is a fraction of people who play games which means that in general, it's usage is minimal. Hardware video decoding probably gets more usage overall than rendering hardware unless you're a gamer.

 

[eidairaman1]

my nvidia and intel system has given me 0 issues and I own over 1000 games... /shrug AMD seems to be crashing on lots of games according to many Navi owners and gamersnexus review.

Really? Provide sources instead of a blanket statement

 

[biffzinker]

Really? Provide sources instead of a blanket statement

(Not targeted at you @eidairaman1)
The way Nvidia's driver releases have been going not counting the patched out security exploits recently. I wouldn't be fanboying for Nvidia's driver quality over AMD. The constant hot fixes that kept popping up after a whql/beta driver release don't exactly paint a rosy picture for me.

 

[bug]

(Not targeted at you @eidairaman1)
The way Nvidia's driver releases have been going not counting the patched out security exploits recently. I wouldn't be fanboying for Nvidia's driver quality over AMD. The constant hot fixes that kept popping up after a whql/beta driver release don't exactly paint a rosy picture for me.

And yet, you're wrong. Yes, there are issues, but they're confined to very recently released titles. For everything that's been out for more than 6 months, there are very few issues and even those tend to be triggered by SLI or a particular resolution. Could Nvidia do better? Probably. Are the drivers interfering with your gaming experience? Only if you play a lot of titles on day 1.

 

[biffzinker]

Yes, there are issues, but they're confined to very recently released titles.

Oh really?

GeForce Hotfix display driver version 431.68 is based on our latest Game Ready Driver 431.60. This Hotfix driver addresses the following:

Mouse cursor may render incorrectly after exiting a game​

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GeForce Hotfix display driver version 430.97 is based on our latest Game Ready Driver 430.86. This Hotfix driver addresses the following:

Forza Horizon 4: Game may crash when driving through tunnels​

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GeForce Hotfix display driver version 430.53 is based on our latest Game Ready Driver 430.39. This Hotfix driver addresses the following

Fixes higher CPU usage by NVDisplay.Container.exe introduced in 430.39 driver​

3DMark Time Spy: Flickering observed when benchmark is launched​

BeamNG: Application crashes when game is launched​

• Shadow of the Tomb Raider: Freezes when launched in SLI mode
  • Desktop flickers when videos are played back on a secondary monitor

NVIDIA Rushes Out GeForce Hotfix 430.97 Driver

NVIDIA Friday released the GeForce Hotfix 430.97 driver. Hotfix drivers are released when NVIDIA needs to address a limited number of glaring issues with a recently released driver, in this case, the 430.86 WHQL and 430.64 WHQL. Released only for Windows 10, the drivers fix a game crash noticed...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Space Lynx]

Really? Provide sources instead of a blanket statement

I did provide a source in that exact quote... basically every single youtube review of Navi from LinusTechTips to Gamersnexus, all mention terrible drivers and crashing. lol bye now

(Not targeted at you @eidairaman1)
The way Nvidia's driver releases have been going not counting the patched out security exploits recently. I wouldn't be fanboying for Nvidia's driver quality over AMD. The constant hot fixes that kept popping up after a whql/beta driver release don't exactly paint a rosy picture for me.

hotfixes that are only affecting a small amount of the community, not the entire community. has nothing to do with fanboyism. as an owner of 6950, 7970, and AGP amd gpu's. i'd love to go back to AMD eventually, but I am waiting one more year for drivers to mature.

 

[eidairaman1]

I did provide a source in that exact quote... basically every single youtube review of Navi from LinusTechTips to Gamersnexus, all mention terrible drivers and crashing. lol bye now



hotfixes that are only affecting a small amount of the community, not the entire community. has nothing to do with fanboyism. as an owner of 6950, 7970, and AGP amd gpu's. i'd love to go back to AMD eventually, but I am waiting one more year for drivers to mature.

So where are the sources?

 

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Oh really?

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NVIDIA Rushes Out GeForce Hotfix 430.97 Driver

NVIDIA Friday released the GeForce Hotfix 430.97 driver. Hotfix drivers are released when NVIDIA needs to address a limited number of glaring issues with a recently released driver, in this case, the 430.86 WHQL and 430.64 WHQL. Released only for Windows 10, the drivers fix a game crash noticed...

www.techpowerup.com

Great, but did you see the "may" in there? There are some specific conditions to be met before any of those bugs are triggered.
Conversely, I'm not saying every single older title is flawless on Nvidia hardware and drivers. But the vast majority of them are.

 

[mahoney]

This is turning up to be a better fight than the old Athlon 64 va Pentium 4. Good times ahead.

Has it really? AMD back then completely destroyed Intel when it came to gaming though it didn't last long

 

[GoldenX]

Has it really? AMD back then completely destroyed Intel when it came to gaming though it didn't last long

Did AMD defeat Intel on the server/workstation space back then?
The only CPU with a clear advantage right now over Zen 2 is the 9900K/KS, and maybe one of the Celerons or Pentium Golds.

 

[TheGreatPascalian]

Did AMD defeat Intel on the server/workstation space back then?
The only CPU with a clear advantage right now over Zen 2 is the 9900K/KS, and maybe one of the Celerons or Pentium Golds.

Or any other all core 5ghz coffee lake from the past 2 years. They are all same CPUs lol no need for 9900K/KS. inb4 someone tells me that they need exactly this and that MT perf.

 

[ChaoticNeutral]

İf youve got 80 % of the market and you sell your products with double the price, you have to make drivers with 0 issues. it is not optional

So you mean because AMD has fewer market share and cheaper product we should expect less from them?

 

[BorgOvermind]

Yes, AMD's driver quality is nowhere close to Nvidia's unfortunately.

On what planet ?
nV has been the uncontested champion of BSODs due to bad drivers since Vista era.

I have a 1070 and must use 3 different drivers for 3 different new games, otherwise they won't start and an additional older driver for everything else. But since this is a situation since the GeForce 2 cards were 1st out, I have no expectations and no demands from them.

 

[bug]

On what planet ?
nV has been the uncontested champion of BSODs due to bad drivers since Vista era.

I have a 1070 and must use 3 different drivers for 3 different new games, otherwise they won't start and an additional older driver for everything else. But since this is a situation since the GeForce 2 cards were 1st out, I have no expectations and no demands from them.

Care to list those 3 games, please?

 

[eidairaman1]

On what planet ?
nV has been the uncontested champion of BSODs due to bad drivers since Vista era.

I have a 1070 and must use 3 different drivers for 3 different new games, otherwise they won't start and an additional older driver for everything else. But since this is a situation since the GeForce 2 cards were 1st out, I have no expectations and no demands from them.

Remember Detonator drivers which would detonate the card

 

[Anymal]

Since 2013 no BSOD or any problem with gtx 670.

 

[mjsheen]

if I can't launch any and every game I want with 0 issues... not going to bother. I hope they can pull it off.

Some people seem to defend the Red out of wariness of the price sharking Green. See, AMD had historical driver issues since it was ATI for a couple of decades now. It had issues when it was as big as the Green. It still has driver issue in my non gaming laptop for normal usage. So there is no excuse for it, being smaller and all. I cannot agree more to this comment. Maybe Lisa can pull it off. I really hope she does.